For all those who think stake.com is provably fair compilant …RiP….stake.com is

[acroman08]

where are the jokers who were commenting

I'll guess that most likely they're either working, doing IRL activities, socializing, or perhaps sleeping. Contrary to what you seems to faithfully believe, not all of us spend 24 hours of our life in front of the monitor and roaming the forum. Most of us have a life to live and things to do. And oh, timezone difference does exist, in case that's a concept that's somewhat alien for you too.

Now, hopefully with above explanation help you understand that almost none of the people of the forum can reply you or someone else on demand, at the soonest possible after an inquiring post was made, we're moving to your case,

or have put the guy in ignore(I did). the dude is exhausting to talk with and I barely interacted with him. I am actually impressed by how patient you are and still talking to someone who refuses to understand what is being explained to him. anyway, good luck talking to this guy.

[rs06201992]

if it’s not you and stake.com , can give me 3 examples right .

gimme 3 examples where this has happened.


where betid1>betid2 for the same game.
i will rest my case.

[holydarkness]

if it’s not you and stake.com , can give me 3 examples right .

gimme 3 examples where this has happened.


where betid1>betid2 for the same game.
i will rest my case.

I'll once again inquire and give a bit more context, in case you failed to understand the point of my previous question, thus ignoring them: the question and accusation you raised here is about Stake's provably fair's applicability, provability, fairness, and compliance, so how does betID matters and play a factor here, again?

Provably fair requires server seeds, client seeds, and nonce. It doesn't need betID, so the numbers and sequence of the betID [though can be confusing] doesn't contribute to any factor to prove the fairness.

[rs06201992]

fairness is been manipulated . can you check the dice game where the betid wa snot generated. i placed the bet few seconds ago , and it was not visible.

people idiots say thenimmediately the bet is placed it’s archived. i am clicking on the results it says bet id not found. i look it under my bets it’s not found. check the video please
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if you are claiming that betid 1can be greater than betid 2.
i hope stake.com and you can provide me some examples of the same game and end this conversation.

[holydarkness]

fairness is been manipulated . can you check the dice game where the betid wa snot generated. i placed the bet few seconds ago , and it was not visible.

people idiots say thenimmediately the bet is placed it’s archived. i am clicking on the results it says bet id not found. i look it under my bets it’s not found. check the video please
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if you are claiming that betid 1can be greater than betid 2.
i hope stake.com and you can provide me some examples of the same game and end this conversation.

Okay, no answer for previous question about how betID matters and choose to deflect by focusing on other things.

Let me try again, answer me this in a simple yes or no instead of going in circles and resort to name calling: have you download your bet archive? Not the bet history, bet archive. The one on your video is bet history.

In case that's too hard to understand, I expect your next post to be a simple "yes" or "no", either that three or two letters word, not long sentences and name callings.

[rs06201992]

gimme 3 examples where betid 1> betid2 with the above conditions, i rest my case then . find it.

[holydarkness]

gimme 3 examples where betid 1> betid2 with the above conditions, i rest my case then . find it.

I believe I specifically requested you to provide a simple "yes" or "no" as a reply, for the question about whether you've download your bet archive or not, and instead you deflect the question by revisiting the previous question you firstly refused to answer. I'll play the game,

Kindly explain to us why the sequence of the betID matters to the process of verifying rounds with Provably Fair? The elements needed for PF analysis is server seeds, client seeds, and nonce. The serial number of the betID doesn't play even the slightest role on the verification. Unless we understand things wrongly?

So, kindly choose to explain to us how does betID matters on PF, or choose to answer the other question with that simple yes/no answer.

[rs06201992]

just gimme 3 examples where betid1>betid2 , condition they are from my bets , before 2 nd august , and placed in same game and have consecutive nonce

as you can see the video , a live bet a betid was not found .
i concur that , by changing results provablyfair can be manipulated in multiple out come games.

stake controls 3 out 4 variables generating the result of the game..  only because i record each bet i place , of every nonce , this founding which i come across , shows stake manipulates the provablyfair based on nonces and skipping bets , if you play multiple games.


if not , then just gimme 3 examples where betid1>betid2 , condition they are from my bets , before 2 nd august , and placed in same game and have consecutive nonce

i will apologize to everyone , and delete this video about.
unlike others i am a man of my word.

when i asked about providing me with the bet examples. all but you disapperead and you put in the topic of provably fair.

i know the game , this time i have come prepared

[holydarkness]

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when i asked about providing me with the bet examples. all but you disapperead and you put in the topic of provably fair.

i know the game , this time i have come prepared

Kindly read the title of the thread. You, with your very own thread title is the one who "put in" the topic about provably fair. You question their compliance to PF, of which you're greeted and replied with many about how does betID important to the outcome of PF verification, that it matters whether the 2nd bet has a lower numerical sequence than the first.

So instead of playing whack a mole, evading to answer when you can't, why don't you tell us how does it matters?

[alani123]

Provably fair doesn't NEED third party verification. You can do it yourself. A third party can verify that bulks of bets aren't cheated on any instance if they have access to all the data.

Now, the bet ID system is just something for your convenience. Stake could completely removed these numbers and give a random string not in order to identify bets and it would still be fair betting because the system doesn't depend on it. So if you want to doubt the provable fairness of Stake I think youll need something better. If you are not satisfied with this response you may also contact them directly, stake is quite open to inquiries. I'd be interested to how they respond to you too.

[holydarkness]

Provably fair doesn't NEED third party verification. You can do it yourself. A third party can verify that bulks of bets aren't cheated on any instance if they have access to all the data.

Now, the bet ID system is just something for your convenience. Stake could completely removed these numbers and give a random string not in order to identify bets and it would still be fair betting because the system doesn't depend on it. So if you want to doubt the provable fairness of Stake I think youll need something better. If you are not satisfied with this response you may also contact them directly, stake is quite open to inquiries. I'd be interested to how they respond to you too.

OP has previously explained in extensive about this, across so many threads he made with his main account, cryptogeniusdice. He previously attacked and questions PF through bets being missing [though archived] and two different formats of archive, amongst... brace yourself: the possibility to manipulate bets through motion sensor, that the CEO's father has a criminal record, how his mines game are rigged.

Though he refused to take that the explanations made by others, no matter how extensive they are, as a valid answer, he seemed to finally realized that he's failed to drive a narrative that the casino plays foul games, and the table actually turned, that the extensive explanations given to him actually proves the exact opposite of what he tried to suggest, as well as revealing the true nature of his personality. Thus he didn't pursue those threads any further...

And later popped up with another account, with another accusation.

I think, given his known accusation pattern and MO, the best approach to get to the bottom of his cases is not by explaining about how PF works anymore, since not only it's been extensively done to him, it also will only come to a deaf ear and blind eyes. Instead, ask him how he thinks the points he proposed matters and played a factor in PF. He'll disprove himself and his accusation with it.

[rs06201992]

dude , from your bet ids,

provide me 3 examples where betid 1>betid 2. for the same game.
if you cannot , then you are a tout of stake.com .

i have checked and double check no bet was made in between check the nonces. idiot.

can i go back in time and place the bet with previous betid.
also the missing bet place was never to be found .


also stake.com is not responding .
also casinoguru keep deleting my tickets without any reply.

100 percent stake provably fair is a scam.

[holydarkness]

dude , from your bet ids,

provide me 3 examples where betid 1>betid 2. for the same game.
if you cannot , then you are a tout of stake.com .

i have checked and double check no bet was made in between check the nonces. idiot.

can i go back in time and place the bet with previous betid.
also the missing bet place was never to be found .


also stake.com is not responding .
also casinoguru keep deleting my tickets without any reply.

100 percent stake provably fair is a scam.

For the n-th time and fully understand that I've go way beyond being repetitive as you've never give an exact answer to it: kindly explain how does betID relevant to provable fairness.

Answer me that, and I'll inquire to as many casino representative I am in touch with, to get their insight about betID and its significance.

[rs06201992]

again i am saying it’s about the missing bet.
how can a bet just placed be archived immediately , if that’s the case dont you feel it’s a bit fishy.

also bet id  were sequential always, going low to high for same game.

if i had played mines elsewhere and didn’t cash out and played on dice then it can happen.

but see the video in hd quality ,get your broken ass a subscription.


if the bet is missing then it’s provably fair issue , and to show how they can manipulate the system , the bet id were wrong.

also if not betid is the issue , you gamble on stake provide me 3 examples of the same thing.

just because you stake pays to lick thier asses doesnt means the other person is wrong. just fucking watch the video moron.


and moreover repeating outcome of worng things doesn’t make you right. last time i also said reveal your identity and speak to me , but you were scared .i lost that email otherwise you have had from me.

stake originals are full of manipulation , i have a video to prove it , and what you have is just a theory .
4 factors generating resukt , 3 are controlled by stake.com . and if the oerson is winning they manioulate with the bet results and hide beets to concur with the provably fair of winning results,

i have videographic proof .in 720 p what you have is stake.com theory .

[holydarkness]

again i am saying it’s about the missing bet.
how can a bet just placed be archived immediately , if that’s the case dont you feel it’s a bit fishy.

Is this a, "yes, the bet where nonce "jumped", as it turned out, was archived, I can find the nonce in sequential once I looked at the archived bet"?

also bet id  were sequential always, going low to high for same game.

if i had played mines elsewhere and didn’t cash out and played on dice then it can happen.

Still doesn't explain how betID matters in PF. If you can stop talking in circles and address the issue, that'll be helpful on advancing this thread and its progress.

but see the video in hd quality ,get your broken ass a subscription.

Umm... I'm more of a Netflix and Amazon guy, and use apple music [used to be Spotify, but had to change to apple music since they provide loss-less quality] so... no, thanks?

if the bet is missing then it’s provably fair issue , and to show how they can manipulate the system , the bet id were wrong.

also if not betid is the issue , you gamble on stake provide me 3 examples of the same thing.

Being archived doesn't equal to being missing. And betID, as above, still waiting for your explanation of their relevancy to PF, and I'll inquire to as many casinos' representatives as I can and get a better insight for such situation.

just because you stake pays to lick thier asses doesnt means the other person is wrong. just fucking watch the video moron.

Nope, they didn't pay me.

and moreover repeating outcome of worng things doesn’t make you right. last time i also said reveal your identity and speak to me , but you were scared .i lost that email otherwise you have had from me.

Wait... what? My memory is very vague on this and I honestly can't remember any of that part, but you said what and I said what, again? One thing that I am extremely sure is that I never exchange any email with you, so you shouldn't be able to "lost" it, as you have none on the first place. You sure you're not mistaken me with other people?

stake originals are full of manipulation , i have a video to prove it , and what you have is just a theory .
4 factors generating resukt , 3 are controlled by stake.com . and if the oerson is winning they manioulate with the bet results and hide beets to concur with the provably fair of winning results,

i have videographic proof .in 720 p what you have is stake.com theory .

4 factors? What are they? Do you mind to explain in depth? And three controlled by stake? Do you also mind to explain in depth how they control these?

[rs06201992]

how immediately they can archive the bet. if they immediately archive the bet that means it’s wrong. get a new pair of eyes , video quality is good.

just because you are paid to bullshit about stake.com and protect it business it doesn’t means you are quote unquote me.

i am talking about my email for bitcointalk.org

see the video properly about how stakr is scamming its customers

[holydarkness]

how immediately they can archive the bet. if they immediately archive the bet that means it’s wrong. get a new pair of eyes , video quality is good.

Perhaps instantly? How do I know? Best, easiest, and most efficient way to validate or invalidate this will be for you to download the archive and see if there is/are "missing" bet that's shown on the archive that didn't reflect on the betting history [the one you show on video], that happen to have that "skipping" nonce.

just because you are paid to bullshit about stake.com and protect it business it doesn’t means you are quote unquote me.

Kindly prove that I am paid by stake to bullshit and protect their business. I insist. Otherwise that's a libel.

And, by the way, what do you mean by "you are quote unquote me"? I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to say here

i am talking about my email for bitcointalk.org

Nope, still nothing. You didn't send me any "email" here [a PM] or any on my email. See for yourself,




And I've tried several keywords, even the basic word that'll most likely appear on sentences like "for", "but", "as", and none. Unless you send me an "email" through your yet another alt?

see the video properly about how stakr is scamming its customers

Still waiting for your explanation of four factors, or how betID influence PF.

[rs06201992]

nevermind , i am saying i lost my email of my last bitcointalk id .

2. strange you can understand what well i am writing here . , but you still can’t find me 3 examples in the bet system where betid 1> betid 2 .

you had forgot that people can see the replies , so let people judge who is licking stake.com ass , or when you are active for stake.com.

i hope god gives you brain rather than bullshitting over here and commenting for scam website called stake.com.


still you cant find me examples where betid 1> betid 2 for the same game and consecutive nonce, when i am showing you with video graphic proof you are still doubting me .


a bet immediately which was placed archived, that even doesn’t sound fishy to you.

so i am asking again if stake.com is genuine , provide me 3 bets where betid1 > betid 2

[holydarkness]

nevermind , i am saying i lost my email of my last bitcointalk id .

That's it? That's how things work in your world and in your life? You made a statement that we communicated through PM, you led people to believe something about me that I am not, discussing only-you-and-god-knows-what, that I backed down from the PM.

Upon proven with absolute proof that the discussion never happened, that you made up that thing, your response is to dismiss it?

How do you propose people should hold any of your past, present, and future statement, then? It can be heavily inferred from that part above that you have a tendency to make a random and baseless statement.

Should we really consider that any of your statement this far about stake and your experience with them to hold any water?

2. strange you can understand what well i am writing here . , but you still can’t find me 3 examples in the bet system where betid 1> betid 2 .

It is not strange. I explicitly tell that I understand you, it's you who deliberately and actively avoiding my question. I am being way beyond redundant, though it proves to people that can see the replies here of who and what you are. My points are simple: one have you check your bet archive and see whether the situation where your nonce "jumped" is simply because the skipped nonce is archived?, two, tell me how betID matters in Provably Fair, and now, three, what are the four factors that contribute in generating result and how do three of them are controlled by Stake

you had forgot that people can see the replies , so let people judge who is licking stake.com ass , or when you are active for stake.com.

i hope god gives you brain rather than bullshitting over here and commenting for scam website called stake.com.

I can assure that people are reading this thread and they know my reputation, and somewhat sure they've read you too. The depth of your capability to process things with the cerebrum gifted to you upon birth, as well as the depth of you as a person is quite transparent.

I will still insist you to prove your accusation about my relationship with stake. Otherwise, just like the matter about PM above [that's conveniently missing from your side, though rather clear from what I show from mine], not only it is a libel, as you made a wrong public statement about me that damages my reputation, it also strengthen the working argument that you have a tendency to throw bold statements that are baseless.

As a result, any of your statement made, as well as hereinafter, worth to be disregarded.

still you cant find me examples where betid 1> betid 2 for the same game and consecutive nonce, when i am showing you with video graphic proof you are still doubting me .


a bet immediately which was placed archived, that even doesn’t sound fishy to you.

so i am asking again if stake.com is genuine , provide me 3 bets where betid1 > betid 2

Answered in bold points above, as well as in abundance on previous posts. Please refer to them and address them.