Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

[Lucius]

It's not a matter of lack of merit in circulation, but the "problem" is a lack of quality posts that deserve to be awarded with merit. Threads that have been opened are to help with easy recognition of such posts. I think LoyceV recently said that he has 3 or 4 thousand merit available, but not enough quality posts for that.

Accumulation of sMerits can be avoided if the number of merits for good posts is increased - so if someone has so much and doesn't manage to spend it, why not find 5 or 10 exceptional posts every day and reward them with 50 merits each? Anyway, that's just my opinion, without wanting to interfere with how someone disposes of their sMerits.

[Alone055]

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted, when he showed concerned it makes it more fun and a lovable place to stay with couples with the purpose while the forum is being created.

That's completely unnecessary, and it's not his work to do. If a user thinks there should be a topic showing pending merit source applications, they can create one, but the admin wouldn't do that because it's not a necessary thing to do.

If he shows concerned then it would also help to reduce stress from people who have been longing to be approved or even those that are planning to apply will make them limit their interest since he had made it clear to people his term or condition and modalities of to approvals.

Reduce stress? What's to be stressed about in this? It's not like the ones who have pending merit source applications are not allowed to do specific things or have anything to worry about. Even if someone's application gets rejected, there is still nothing to be worried about.

Well, I mean no harm or insult to anyone neither do I have any special interest to anyone, I am only being much moved by the pending applications and this curiosity made me to raise this concern as a matter of deliberation to justify anyone whom has applied or intending to apply to check out their criteria if they are qualify as one before applying.

The reason why theymos is not approving applications is obvious, he doesn't feel it's necessary for now. It's not like he didn't come online or didn't notice the applications. He comes online, checks everything, he even implements changes around the forum but if he isn't approving any applications, it means he doesn't want to do that for now, and we should let him take his time and make the decisions himself instead of trying to force him to do it quickly.

[uchegod-21]

Re: Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

Merit sources application takes time to be approved because;
1. Only on person approves it;
2. There are criteria to qualify as a merit source;
3. If such criteria are not met, theymos will not tell you that you are illegible, he'll remain mute and you'll just keep bumping the thread.
4. Theymos will need to be convinced that the system actually need addition;
5. He will also be convinced that the applicant is a right choice for the job.
These and many more prolong the process.

[TheUltraElite]

Probably because it's only the admins that can do it. Maybe theymos should consider allowing some other mods or trusted users the ability to make merit sources.

Maybe mods, yes. But Trusted users? I have seen one too many turn to the dark side and there is no such thing called "trust" in the online presence.

I think the strictness is necessary to prevent the abuse of merits. Definitely would not want the responsibility to get diluted from staff to common users. Even a voting system will always be biased towards more merit sources always.

[Bitcoin Smith]

It's not a matter of lack of merit in circulation, but the "problem" is a lack of quality posts that deserve to be awarded with merit. Threads that have been opened are to help with easy recognition of such posts. I think LoyceV recently said that he has 3 or 4 thousand merit available, but not enough quality posts for that.

Accumulation of sMerits can be avoided if the number of merits for good posts is increased - so if someone has so much and doesn't manage to spend it, why not find 5 or 10 exceptional posts every day and reward them with 50 merits each? Anyway, that's just my opinion, without wanting to interfere with how someone disposes of their sMerits.

That is what theymos suggested too and let me quote his exact words.

It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

If merit sources try to exhaust merits then there would  more smerits for users to spend so there's high chances of getting merit for every deserved posts.


Voting system will make it more biased and it's just better theymos alone decide who can be the merit source and he only knows when maybe on booze or after getting laid.

[AVE5]

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.
Thank you.

Sorry. I can't find valuable reasons on why only DT members should or even why there should be voting in anyway reasons being that approved merit source shouldn't be a people's choice in the forum as there may possibly be members fans involving factions without undermining reputations.
However, merit source should be earned by the applicants capacity such as leadership potentials with transparencies with highily knowledged in the bitcointalk community to be able to diligently speculate the merits within its expected province accordingly without being biased such as building segregations of meriting and not meriting members based on their natural likes or dislikes. So if you ask me, all of the applicants are qualified reasons why because I like them all but of no technical factors.
So then, all scrutinization based on who's best in position by requirements should be by appointment of Theymos.

I think we can have voting, but it shouldn’t be the final say. Maybe it could be part of the criteria, but the biggest portion should still come from the admin’s decision. We can also give a certain percentage of votes to DT members since they are trusted, so their votes should carry more weight. If you look at the contributions of some forum members who put in the effort to improve the value of the forum, DT members have made a big impact. You can see their contributions if you search. But yeah, these are just suggestions. Theymos will still have the final say on how they implement the process for adding merit sources. At least we’re here to express our opinions. Just my 2 cents.

Well I'm getting a little convinced after much that voting maybe a considerate parameter but I'm still kind skeptical to believe despites as DT members if everyone may be able to vote on the right choice and not voting by self interest. Then it'd seem being politicized.
But on contrary the voting might be preferable if the merit source would be of the local boards because then, definitely members of the boards would be in best position to denote the merit source applicants that'd be best suited for their local board for merit source.

[AYOBA]

I know my rank is too low to have this discussion over here but it's too saddened to see that lot of people applied for merits source and yet no attention is being given to them especially that of Icopress I was pushed to see that even how active he has been here theymos didn't still get moved to consider him. Not only him but lot of merits application which I can't even list all here making me to be this eager to know the people's mind.

The way a lot of people’s are been apply merits source all this while if to that’s how they been approved once without taken some time peoples will not lack of merits anymore, honestly the way people’s are lack of merits now that’s why a lot of where demand for the merits now, it will good if theymos can considering them so that the merits can begin flow in the like before.

Because i observe something in this forum since the time those Mixer’s leaves this forums the merits is know more circulating again; because their the one managing the merits source and that’s I didn’t blame those users that are  for the merits source.

[Ojima-ojo]

Re: Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

Merit sources application takes time to be approved because;
1. Only on person approves it;
2. There are criteria to qualify as a merit source;
3. If such criteria are not met, theymos will not tell you that you are illegible, he'll remain mute and you'll just keep bumping the thread.
4. Theymos will need to be convinced that the system actually need addition;
5. He will also be convinced that the applicant is a right choice for the job.
These and many more prolong the process.

Very well there are criteria that the admin that approves merits source applications follows in approving potential merits source applications and since it just a one man Job, there is need for us to give him that benefits of dought that he has his own criteria to follow in approving such applications so for that we need to be less speculative about merits source applications and just do the our best to sports any application that we seem fit for consideration and if Admin See's any convincing point he will act on source application.

We need to allow him the time to make the right judgement and also support the decisions of the admin regardless of how long it takes for source an application to get considered.

[Floxynice]

My thread is aimed at helping those who write good posts to speed up the inevitable merit collection.

Where can I find your thread?
I have gone through your timeline but I cannot see the particular merit thread.

[Upgrade00]

The merit system has worked fine since its implementation with theymos solely determining the number of sources and their allocation. I do not think there is a need to change the system cause some users haven't been approved yet, that will just be inviting more drama and conversations about why some users were picked over others.

Being on default trust doesn't mean someone is knowledgeable on the merit distribution or needs or which users are a good fit, neither is that the responsibility of someone on DT. Opening up voting to all members cannot work either, for the above reason.

Probably because it's only the admins that can do it. Maybe theymos should consider allowing some other mods or trusted users the ability to make merit sources.

Mods will be the one group I think understand the forum well enough to make decisions based on its needs. Trusted users should be those trusted by the admin or a community vote on which users have good enough judgement to appoint merit sources.

[Bitcoin Smith]

My thread is aimed at helping those who write good posts to speed up the inevitable merit collection.

Where can I find your thread?
I have gone through your timeline but I cannot see the particular merit thread.

Here is it : [Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed

Mods will be the one group I think understand the forum well enough to make decisions based on its needs. Trusted users should be those trusted by the admin or a community vote on which users have good enough judgement to appoint merit sources.

I guess that's what he defined as Trusted member not the DT members cause people are not using the DT system in the way it supposed to be and it lost it's mojo ever since the new DT system implementation.

[Z-tight]

In the poll i voted for things to remain the same way they are now, and that is for Theymos to approve merit sources on his own only, i am not in support of a voting system, it will look more like an election, people will vote for their friends on the forum and users with more 'friends' will likely become merit sources.

I agree that Theymos takes a lot of time in making decisions, but sometimes doing nothing, or doing things slowly is a good thing. There are many good users waiting to be merit sources, and i believe Theymos will give his approval, but we don't know when.

[Smartvirus]

Criteria for a merit source or increment of merit allocation to existing merit sources haven’t been an open ballot system. I hope it doesn’t because, this would be exploited although, I wouldn’t dispute the fact that, some inactive merit sources needs to be removed or have there allocations reduced and transferred to other merit sources that would be lacking in Smerits as well as, remove inactive merit sources and replace them with some active, versatile and reputable users to have applied. This would be the better option for me but, i really don’t get to decide.

[Josefjix]

Mods will be the one group I think understand the forum well enough to make decisions based on its needs. Trusted users should be those trusted by the admin or a community vote on which users have good enough judgement to appoint merit sources.

The DT and Feedback system trusted to the community is already turning into a personal weapon against the weak, do you think theymos would entrust the same community with the only functioning system left? I'm not sure we're ready to handle such a sensitive system.

It's better the way it is.

[fillippone]

My thread is aimed at helping those who write good posts to speed up the inevitable merit collection.

Where can I find your thread?
I have gone through your timeline but I cannot see the particular merit thread.

If you go to my post timeline, that thread is quite difficult to spot.
If you fo to my merit timeline, that thread is quite easy to spot

A voting system for merit source is a good idea, but the problem is that it would turn the merit source election into a popularity contest, which is not a good thing for the forum in the long run.

[Upgrade00]

The DT and Feedback system trusted to the community is already turning into a personal weapon against the weak, do you think theymos would entrust the same community with the only functioning system left?

I know it may sound that way but any time trust is mentioned, it does not be default refer to DT. If you had read the second paragraph of my post you would have also known that's not what I'm referring to at all.

[ABCbits]

A voting system for merit source is a good idea, but the problem is that it would turn the merit source election into a popularity contest, which is not a good thing for the forum in the long run.

Or attract abuse by using multiple accounts, if the criteria of eligible voters is very relaxed.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted, when he showed concerned it makes it more fun and a lovable place to stay with couples with the purpose while the forum is being created. If he shows concerned then it would also help to reduce stress from people who have been longing to be approved or even those that are planning to apply will make them limit their interest since he had made it clear to people his term or condition and modalities of to approvals.

I always find it funny to see and read such words as "should."
I would respond to this like: Don't tell me what I "should" do, and I won't tell you where you need to go.

But seriously, today's OP lawyer is primarily concerned about himself and maybe about his alternative accounts.

Merits are actively distributed; just check the local sections. Users transfer merits to each other or themselves. Pay attention to the topic of the recent pizza giveaway. Does anyone believe that people regularly look at ready-made pizzas? It was from hunger, wasn't it?
I think everything comes into its own time. And the problem with all today's nominees for sources of merit is that they want to rate good posts. Some want to help, while others abuse. But people who receive some merits send them to their friends and do not give them for truly worthy posts.
I am sure that the admin sees this, and that is why he does not add new sources.

[garlonicon]

Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

First of all, some merit sources are there. They are just not publicly known.

especially that of Icopress

How do you know, if someone is selected or not? Not all merit sources are public. And also: becoming a merit source could also mean, that person would have less merits to distribute, not more (for example: if I would be selected, I would probably lose some merits, because of that).

In general, if you think, that more posts should be merited, then you should make a list of that, and then, those who have more merits, than they can spend, could use your list, to merit something.

Also, let's see, if you can manage to do that correctly. Here are some merits, now I will observe, how you will spend them.

So what about those local board request for merits source does it mean they have enough merits in their local board?

Well, people probably don't have enough merits on their local boards. But honestly, I saw some local boards, and usually, there is not enough posts worth meriting, and that is one of the reasons, why I stick with the global boards. For example: it is normal to see something valuable in the global board, and get it translated, and posted locally. But seeing the other case: someone creating some great local post, and getting it translated into English, is quite rare case.

Usually it's very touching see lots of application on the pending list without responding to them or making a kind of interaction with them to at least make them know why they aren't being approved by now.

The whole point of making some merit sources private, is to prevent some abuse. So, even if after your topic, someone will be approved, then you may never know about it, if that person won't reveal it. And this is tricky, because if you won't tell anyone, then your chances of getting selected are usually higher (not all merit sources created their topics, some of them were just picked without that).

so if someone has so much and doesn't manage to spend it, why not find 5 or 10 exceptional posts every day and reward them with 50 merits each?

Some time ago, I decided to usually send one merit at a time, because in this way, more posts can be merited. If you distribute all of your merits quickly, then you run out of merits, and then, you have a problem, described in the topic. However, if you spend less merits at a time, then you have more merits, for more upcoming valuable posts.

Also, the act of holding merits is generally positive, because it sends a message, that "try harder, if you want to get some merits". If you distribute a lot of merits instead, then some people can get lazy, because they will think, that "who cares, I will get some merits anyway, no matter what content I will post".

[ercewubam]

Here are some merits, now I will observe, how you will spend them.

I agree. I put some more, to make the sum 100, and let's see, how OP will send them. Because I am honestly curious, where are those great posts, which are worth more attention.