Does forum permit account sales and why no punishment?

[Perfectbaby]

I wouldn't want to push more further but I am utterly touched to see that people come openly to advertise account selling. I am like, is this something that isn't originating from here? And what measures are the admin or mods doing to put this off from regularly repeating itself.

I have also read a similar case here thereabout where a loan was taken from someone else account without the real owner knowing the way about the loans, and it happens when real owner come online he noticed the loan and has become being a debtor to the loaner.

That isn't enough but someone here advertising selling of account meaning this is encouraging more scammers to scam people here, even if I can recall correctly that the forum doesn't moderate scam but it shouldn't be that vulnerable where any one can be easily scammed and I think something should be done to  avert this from occurring or reoccurring.

Look at the prices place on forum accounts.. I don't know if this has been happening so far here and will quote for people see and read it.

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My question is what is the best ways to put this to an end. Because from his profile I sees lot of tags.

[Coin_trader]

Forum account has no real value but answering to your question I assume it's based on the number of open signature campaign available and the pay rate.

The merit distribution is good too that makes ranking up is quicker for newbie especially on some local boards with active merit source. Loq quality poster that typically product of faem account has low chance of being accepted on campaign.

[ryzaadit]

Scam is not being moderated by the forum, basically we need to take a look and carefully by our self. Believe or not, selling an account is not new but trust me is gonna be easy being recognize. One of them is the posting style, If the posting style are suddenly change (then, some other fellow member will mostly started doing his research especially for multi-account buster).

I have also read a similar case here thereabout where a loan was taken from someone else account without the real owner knowing the way about the loans, and it happens when real owner come online he noticed the loan and has become being a debtor to the loaner.

If this happens, and the case is the account was hacked. Nothing to worry, because the lender should make their own DD at least with sign message to proof the ownership / the post he was made. I'm one of the victim of hacked account, the hacker not changing any "Email/Password" but trying to take a loan with the number amount loan can be paid by the real owner (for my case is always around 300$).

Guess whats? he was failed because is quite simple the address will be different and that's should be make a redflag from the lender to request the sign message to make sure the post is being posted by the real owner.


It's not gonna end, there will be always an account seller. Just tag the accounts seller with negative trust.

[Bitcoin Smith]

Most of the sold accounts were hacked in the past and it's quite possible to notice that and many of the users who is contributing to the forum always looking for them and tag them, with that tag the account is useless and can't join signature campaign.

Scam is not moderated as far as I know, so even if a known scammer is doing the thread will not be taken down and it's the user's responsibility to due diligence and face whatever the consequences when dealing with such kind of trades.

[Perfectbaby]

Scam is not being moderated by the forum, basically we need to take a look and carefully by our self. Believe or not, selling an account is not new but trust me is gonna be easy being recognize. One of them is the posting style, If the posting style are suddenly change (then, some other fellow member will mostly started doing his research especially for multi-account buster).

I have also read a similar case here thereabout where a loan was taken from someone else account without the real owner knowing the way about the loans, and it happens when real owner come online he noticed the loan and has become being a debtor to the loaner.

If this happens, and the case is the account was hacked. Nothing to worry, because the lender should make their own DD at least with sign message to proof the ownership / the post he was made. I'm one of the victim of hacked account, the hacker not changing any "Email/Password" but trying to take a loan with the number amount loan can be paid by the real owner (for my case is always around 300$).

Guess whats? he was failed because is quite simple the address will be different and that's should be make a redflag from the lender to request the sign message to make sure the post is being posted by the real owner.


It's not gonna end, there will be always an account seller. Just tag the accounts seller with negative trust.

Sorry for the bad experience and you were really lucky for the lender to have requested a signed message before giving out loan but, I guess it was rejected because he couldn't give exactly signed message with your real address.

However, I could have given tags but I am not a DT so it's actually risky to engage myself with such activity to tag someone when I am not in the list of DT members. Maybe one good fellow can make me DT and of course I have already read how the DT system works. Although I am yet to properly set up my trust list thereabouts.

Forum account has no real value but answering to your question I assume it's based on the number of open signature campaign available and the pay rate.

The merit distribution is good too that makes ranking up is quicker for newbie especially on some local boards with active merit source. Loq quality poster that typically product of faem account has low chance of being accepted on campaign.

Well this is very bad because what use of the account when there is no signature campaign available or when no manager got them accepted, this means they bounce back to start scamming people isn't it?

[Rikafip]

My question is what is the best ways to put this to an end. Because from his profile I sees lot of tags.

The only way to stop this is if theymos decide that selling accounts are against forum rules but since that is unlikely to happen, nothing can be done really other than tagging them.  After all, this is not the first time we see offers like that, with the only difference that they are rarely posted in meta.

And yeah, account prices are set so low on purpose to lure gullible ones thinking they can get accounts that cheap.

[SatoPrincess]

However, I could have given tags but I am not a DT so it's actually risky to engage myself with such activity to tag someone when I am not in the list of DT members. Maybe one good fellow can make me DT and of course I have already read how the DT system works. Although I am yet to properly set up my trust list thereabouts.

Why do you think it’s risky to tag someone who deserve it? I assume you’re joking. If truly you understand how the DT system works, you would know that trust should not be asked to be given. Before a DT1 adds you to his trust list, you must have done something to earn it.

Well this is very bad because what use of the account when there is no signature campaign available or when no manager got them accepted, this means they bounce back to start scamming people isn't it?

It is a calculated risk that account buyers are willing to take. The thread below was started in less than a month, you can see how many sold accounts have been caught:
Old Accounts That Have Likely Been Hacked/Traded

[Awaklara]

Well this is very bad because what use of the account when there is no signature campaign available or when no manager got them accepted, this means they bounce back to start scamming people isn't it?

it is possible that some plan like that. but there is another possibility that the people who buy the account are part of the old users who have problems with their main account. whether it is a ban or maybe a negative tag on the account that limits them from joining the campaign.
account buyers do not need to bother upgrading their accounts from newbies. so they simply choose to buy accounts with a higher rank and with a little effort get some Merit for their requirements to join the campaign.

can this practice be stopped or not? we can't for now. those who sell will always be there as long as there are buyers.

[Charles-Tim]

My question is what is the best ways to put this to an end. Because from his profile I sees lot of tags.

There is no end to this. Reason:

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

Account sales is allowed on this forum but it should be discouraged for some reasons. You will see those selling accounts to be negatively trusted and the reasons for the negative trust are given.

[Perfectbaby]

My question is what is the best ways to put this to an end. Because from his profile I sees lot of tags.

The only way to stop this is if theymos decide that selling accounts are against forum rules but since that is unlikely to happen, nothing can be done really other than tagging them.  After all, this is not the first time we see offers like that, with the only difference that they are rarely posted in meta.

And yeah, account prices are set so low on purpose to lure gullible ones thinking they can get accounts that cheap.

Yes I think the same as well because it's easier way to lure lazy newbies who wants to grow overnight with the legendary rank to be lured or deceived into sending funds while they got scammed for ignorance.

However, I could have given tags but I am not a DT so it's actually risky to engage myself with such activity to tag someone when I am not in the list of DT members. Maybe one good fellow can make me DT and of course I have already read how the DT system works. Although I am yet to properly set up my trust list thereabouts.

Why do you think it’s risky to tag someone who deserve it? I assume you’re joking. If truly you understand how the DT system works, you would know that trust should not be asked to be given. Before a DT1 adds you to his trust list, you must have done something to earn it.

Well this is very bad because what use of the account when there is no signature campaign available or when no manager got them accepted, this means they bounce back to start scamming people isn't it?

It is a calculated risk that account buyers are willing to take. The thread below was started in less than a month, you can see how many sold accounts have been caught:
Old Accounts That Have Likely Been Hacked/Traded

You think is that easy to be fighting a blind fight?
How would defend yourself; let say I am not a DT and even if I should give such person tag it wouldn't display on their profile or seen. The thing is if I am made DT then it would definitely reflect on their profile if I give such person tags. That is what I meant.

[nutildah]

You think is that easy to be fighting a blind fight?
How would defend yourself; let say I am not a DT and even if I should give such person tag it wouldn't display on their profile or seen. The thing is if I am made DT then it would definitely reflect on their profile if I give such person tags. That is what I meant.

First of all, you're not really "fighting" anybody, and I don't see any reason for you to defend yourself.

Second, you have to establish some trustworthiness and good judgment before you will even be considered for DT.

If you never made a trust list and never left any feedback, there's no way of knowing your competency when it comes to using the trust system.

[NeuroticFish]

That isn't enough but someone here advertising selling of account meaning this is encouraging more scammers to scam people here, even if I can recall correctly that the forum doesn't moderate scam but it shouldn't be that vulnerable where any one can be easily scammed and I think something should be done to  avert this from occurring or reoccurring.

The forum encourages free speech. And free speech also means that account sales and scams are present.
Since account sales can also lead to scams, both account sellers, buyers and scammers are being (red) tagged when found.

Look at the prices place on forum accounts.. I don't know if this has been happening so far here and will quote for people see and read it.

I think that it's related to both decrease of pay in signature campaigns and increase of chance a sold account may get found and tagged (making it useless for most signature campaigns).

My question is what is the best ways to put this to an end. Because from his profile I sees lot of tags.

This was asked / discussed before, in a way or another. You cannot. Even more, it's better not add a restriction against free speech on this matter, since account sellers will just advertise their "business" elsewhere (where there are even less chances to find and tag them).

[examplens]

OP, I am not sure that I can recognize how you connected the value of the forum with the fact that someone is selling accounts. At the same time, it is not an official account sale, it is probably a scammer and it is very questionable how he got to those accounts. If there are any at all.

Some time ago I tested an account seller, in fact, he is a fraudster who asks for money in advance by offering random accounts that he does not even have access to. I think there are several scam accusations on that topic. So this theory of yours doesn't have much basis, especially not until the sale of accounts is strictly prohibited by the administration.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

I wouldn't want to push more further but I am utterly touched to see that people come openly to advertise account selling. I am like, is this something that isn't originating from here? And what measures are the admin or mods doing to put this off from regularly repeating itself.

You got answer, that is account sales are allowed / not prohibited but only discouraged and account sellers won't be banned if they don't break other rules like scams with malicious links.
The thread of that account seller was deleted and you don't have to quote its full content here. Delete it please.

Quoting its full content here means you are doing a free marketing for that account seller. Do you want to do it?

[Smartvirus]

It appears the post been quoted in the thread have been deleted, possibly by a moderator and am not surprised, it’s what should be the case and I think the account advertising this should be given more than just tags. Tags ain’t enough. You can see that the user doesn’t care about the tags as it doesn’t restrict such user from continuing in there business of account sales and neither does it stop those that patronize this form of account sale business from buying either. They are all in the abnormalities already and so, what do there care about tags.

There should be clear stands on these behavior and what should be done with accounts perceived or proven to have been sold or changed hands.

[Perfectbaby]

You think is that easy to be fighting a blind fight?
How would defend yourself; let say I am not a DT and even if I should give such person tag it wouldn't display on their profile or seen. The thing is if I am made DT then it would definitely reflect on their profile if I give such person tags. That is what I meant.

First of all, you're not really "fighting" anybody, and I don't see any reason for you to defend yourself.

Second, you have to establish some trustworthiness and good judgment before you will even be considered for DT.

If you never made a trust list and never left any feedback, there's no way of knowing your competency when it comes to using the trust system.

Okay.. I am not naturally and physically fighting anyone but what I meant is; I can't do anything without being among DT. But that is by the way, I have set up my trustlist and have added few people I seems to have trust in them. So anything else to be among the DT system maybe if someone already in the list adds me then automatically DT right?

[Wiwo]

Account selling is frawn at here in the forum sby forum members since account sell is not entirely forbidden by forum rules, but to avoid account buyers scamming others using bought account, anytime an account is discovered to have changed hand, DT members get the account tagged, but even with all the fight against accounts sellers and buyers, the business is still booming for them judging from the number of sold accounts being active lately.

It is easy to spot them, either via their method of writing English and in some cases changes in local boards, or account becoming suddenly silent in the original local board, having bought account tag from the admin will help alot, just like having a forum warning when a red tag user open a thread to alart people to check his or her trust page this could help alot.

[PX-Z]

I wouldn't want to push more further but I am utterly touched to see that people come openly to advertise account selling. I am like, is this something that isn't originating from here? And what measures are the admin or mods doing to put this off from regularly repeating itself.

If you will learn how many bitcointalk accounts were being sold before that there is a website^[1] built by a mod/staff to calculate how much a bitcointalk account or its potential by calculating the rank, posts, trusts. I guess you will burst of outrage.

Until some people (mainly from DT members) discourage it and a new system was created in mind and people here give tags for account sellers then this account selling stops gradually.
I remember some members having multiple accounts were hunted like literally multiple idk if its was 10-30 or something owned by a single user. You will really wonder how that person can manage those accounts as most of them are in signature/bounty campaigns. That's how account cheating hunters grows, some become witch hunting randomly with slight evidence, some innocently involved and tagged, even giving rewards to cheaters[2]

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142314.0
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378493.

[Stalker22]

Okay.. I am not naturally and physically fighting anyone but what I meant is; I can't do anything without being among DT. But that is by the way, I have set up my trustlist and have added few people I seems to have trust in them. So anything else to be among the DT system maybe if someone already in the list adds me then automatically DT right?

Sent feedback

No feedback.

You havent given any feedback on other members yet. It doesnt make sense to include you in the DT network if we dont know how you will use that privilege. Most people in DT1 are really picky about who they trust and carefully review trust feedbacks before adding someone to their trust list.

[LoyceV]

It appears the post been quoted in the thread have been deleted

Account sales are allowed, but impersonating a staff member is not:

As a Bitcointalk ~ staff member of the forum