Should winning bettors sell subscriptions?

[Julien_Olynpic]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Well, I'm not going to get into whether they should or shouldn't do it. Personally I don't trust tips even if they are from legitimate bettors, with public and long-term results. I think it's best to quote myself in another thread on the subject:

There are several problems with following a successful bettor, even if it is legitimate.

1. You don't know when the variance is going to come in. Even if he has a 60% winrate it doesn't mean that for the next 3 months or more he can be at 45%. You yourself say that they prefer to make a living by giving predictions rather than betting, and although it is not exactly like that, you make it clear that they know the variance that may come.

2. Related to the previous one. Just because someone has been a successful bettor in the past, doesn't mean they will be in the future, and variance aside, you could be following someone who is dropping their WR and will never get it back.

3. Normally people don't follow absolutely all the tips he gives, but depending on the money they have to bet, they follow the tip, and by not following everything, even if in the period the tipster has a WR of 60% in the sample the bettor picks up may be less.

[Apocollapse]

I'm a skeptical person, if someone sell something and promise after join this class we can earn up to x fantastic amount, I will stay away from them.

I don't believe something like that, the real gurus only promise what skill or knowledge after joined their class, nothing more. Example artists open art class, instead of promising  we can sell our art for x price, they will promise if we can draw like them because they teach how to use brush, pressure etc.

I never trust gamblers and traders that selling private class, books etc.

[michellee]

That will be up to them. But usually, people become over confident when they can win for some time. They will be greedy to make more money and will think to provide a prediction for the match by using subscription.

That is normal because they want to make money and they think that having a subscription for their channel will give more money. We can just let them do that but people will need to research before they join.

That will not be easy for them because they must provide the subscription to people who joined in his channel. He needs to improves his skills without stop because people will see the result of his skills from the result. If he lack of his skills, people will leave him without want to come back and even they will call him a scammer because he trick people to join with him by paying the subscription without a good result.

[Hirose UK]

All of that is actually done to make people curious and they follow until they subscribe to be able to generate personal profit, people who provide such services already understand how gambling works and they can only use all their knowledge to be able to generate more guaranteed profits such as selling some of the things you have mentioned.
I think people like that are just those who want to fool gamblers, I will not believe everything that has been said even though some of them include some evidence of their victory and this is ridiculous because from that victory they must have suffered many defeats.
But that is their right because they offer what they can to make money, if we do not believe it then we must leave it and if we are still curious maybe in the end we will realize that all of that is hoax.

[cryptoaddictchie]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

Well thats like sounds a trading paid subscription channel. Well if his really good at it maybe can it doesnt differ much on trading signals. But this one is quite risky since were talking about pure gambling while trading has it owns parameter on winning this one based on luck and a risky strategy that involve potential loss at 70 to 80%

[danherbias07]

I think the question is whether it is reliable or not. Sorry, I don't really trust this kind of scheme which is why I cannot tell if they should sell it or not.

If they are winning bettors, I'd always think they should just gamble themselves and take all the money they could get from the online bookies. I don't understand what is stopping them from doing that because that's the easiest way to make money.
Why rely on subscriptions if he knows that it's difficult to make people believe what he does? (if it's legitimate) If they don't see anything, they get nothing, and if they do, no one will subscribe telling them it's a scam.
So I guess the only option is to save some money, gamble it on that winning bet that he knows and there goes the profit.

IMHO, free or not, I am not biting this kind of scheme.

[Solosanz]

If they are winning bettors, I'd always think they should just gamble themselves and take all the money they could get from the online bookies. I don't understand what is stopping them from doing that because that's the easiest way to make money.
Why rely on subscriptions if he knows that it's difficult to make people believe what he does? (if it's legitimate) If they don't see anything, they get nothing, and if they do, no one will subscribe telling them it's a scam.
So I guess the only option is to save some money, gamble it on that winning bet that he knows and there goes the profit.

Yep it's similar like someone who claimed make a lot money from shitcoins, it might be true, but I'm sure they're just lucky at that time. Since it's just a luck, they know they can't always rely on picking random shitcoins again, instead they sell useless courses with branding they're successful shitcoins traders.

Someone who can make money in trading or gambling will not open private class because they should able to make money by themselves privately.

[fikrett]

I'm a skeptical person, if someone sell something and promise after join this class we can earn up to x fantastic amount, I will stay away from them.

I don't believe something like that, the real gurus only promise what skill or knowledge after joined their class, nothing more. Example artists open art class, instead of promising  we can sell our art for x price, they will promise if we can draw like them because they teach how to use brush, pressure etc.

I never trust gamblers and traders that selling private class, books etc.

Yeah, I just don't see the point in it for gamblers - if you do well already, why would you even sell your "forecasts" in the first place?
Subscription would be like a safe-pillow when the position wouldn't work as intended for a person who is selling things like that, in my opinion.

[ChiBitCTy]

What I think mostly about "pro sports bettors" is that if they were really that good, I'm not sure why they are selling subscriptions to gambling advice.  Honestly the only professional sports bettors I've ever known of are all offline, they don't promote anything, they just are masters of their craft, ups and downs but more ups that anything.  Even they can have some real bad runs.  So yeah, I do a lot of football betting but never paying any money for someone else's advice.

[Pandu Geddon]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

Gamblers who finally open certain classes or groups for a fee to share their thoughts or even predictions to followers who are willing to pay for it are clearly just looking for additional profit. it is even possible that they get capital for betting from what they get from the cost of the class.
No matter whether it is true they can prove to win in the long term or not. the intended purpose is to do business, and in business, they will seek profit. there will be a time when they will only think about money, and no longer have a mutually beneficial relationship with their followers.

[lovesmayfamilis]

You can also ask whether we should trust such players. If there's demand, you can sell anything online, as history shows. And also, the question is, why would anyone sell something that brings them a good profit? In my opinion, those who sell forecasts are not who they claim to be, and we should not naively trust them. But as long as there is demand, there will always be supply.

[Zlantann]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

In gambling nothing is certain. There might be people who have had big wins a few times, but they cannot claim that they have won every single bet they placed. Experience and strategy can affect gambling outcomes, but they are highly dependent on luck. I can join a free group where like-minded discuss gambling strategies or forecast games, but I would never pay for any subscription. If an influencer feels he has the right gambling patterns, he shouldn't be asking for a registration fee because he should be rich from his wins. Asking for subscription fees indicates that they are doing it for money, which doesn't correlate with their claim of constant wins. If their claims are real, almost every gambler would have join their channels.

[Kelward]

If winning bettors are selling subscriptions then the question to ask is what are their statistics or proofs that their subscribers are winning? I don't think that anybody can claim to be constantly winning in gambling because despite the accuracy of your analysis it still takes luck to win. Anything can happen in a match and the best team or star players might not live up to expectations so sports bet is not something that anybody can have accuracies. It's not a bad idea to get predictions from second and third parties but the important thing is to know that you can't totally rely on anything that you're told. In the end of the day it's you that is gambling your money therefore you should make the final decisions by yourself.

[FinneysTrueVision]

If they are putting a lot of effort into developing a strategy that they’ve had a lot of success with, then there is probably going to enough people willing to pay for their advice. There are some serious gamblers out there who would be interested in such a subscription if it can improve their success rate. Paying for betting tips doesn’t appeal to me but I can see why there is a market for it.

[Alpha Marine]

I saw a write-up a while ago that said "When you understand that gambling/sports betting is a game of chance, you'll never pay any betting subscription" and I believe that is very true. How is a person who doesn't see the future telling you that you should pay for his subscription because winning is guaranteed and you believe that?

I agree that some are better than others in forecasting, but if you're that good, you won't need anybody's money to make money. I mean, all you need to do is stake in as many gambling sites as possible and make as much money as you want.
I don't care how legit they are, I consider all bet-selling services as scams. Even if it was a fixed match, which is most likely never the case, the outcome is still not certain.

[gunhell16]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

Well, honestly speaking I don't believe in that type of influencers, the majority of them will offer something like that on Telegram which is immediately questionable to me. And even with YouTube and Facebook apps, I don't just believe because most of them are just for the views and nothing else.

Then one more thing just for me too, it's not true that there are best bettors in gambling because gambling is just luck in any gambling industry that we play gambling.

[davis196]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

It's not illegal to offer such services(in most countries around the world), so why not.
The people spend money for all kinds of garbage online products and services, why don't they spend money on such betting service.
If this betting subscription provides results to the people, who bought it I don't see any problem. If this ends up being a scam, the people will know about it and the guy, who stays behind this subscription service will have to shut it down. I know that there are many scammers, offering such service, so I wouldn't buy it myself, but I saw and ad on the forum Cracked.io, where there is such services, that promises 70% win rate and has decent reviews. I am not promoting it and I don't recommend it, but I can see the appeal of such services to the average sports bettor.

[swogerino]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

I have thought this thoroughly with some friends and they can provide you false statistics. You may say how ? In this way, they give a different game to different subscribers and in the end of the day the few winning games they put on Telegram channel, those who got the right games will be there liking and celebrating the achievements. Based on this idea of mine and some friends that have been betting for a long time our advice is never to subscribe to such channel.

[Marvelockg]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

It's a normal thing that's gaining wave by the day. Some believe that they are expert in making predictions and selections of odds that have at least an 80% probability of coming out as predicted. We can't say that some of them aren't good at what they do because if they are not good, people won't keep subscribing to those channels. It's just left for you to determine if it's worth the risk or not before allowing yourself to get caught up by the testimony they usually share on their public group which is mostly aimed at getting more subscribers to join the channel.

The thing is, betting is a risk and you're not always certain of the outcome. If you now pay someone to select some games for you based on his promise that he's a good analyst and after you've paid him you still have to place the bet with an amount and possibly, based on the level of confidence you have in the channel, you might bet above what you can afford to lose and should you lose, it becomes a double loss.

Winning betttors have the right to demand for subscription if you want to get thier advice on a bet. It's a way of monetizing thier knowledge which is a normal thing that people do.