Should winning bettors sell subscriptions?

[iv4n]

Let's be clear, there are no safe and 100% guaranteed winnings. Those who sell it are mostly scammers, and it would be foolish to buy anything from them.

But as you said, those who win in the long run may be worth something, but what is the winning rate a player must have in order to be worth buying tips from him? Just over 50% or you wouldn't even consider him if his winning rate is under 70-80%?

[EluguHcman]

You are quite saying a reality because I encountered similar scenario last week.
A friend of mine from South Africa wrote me on Whatsapp sending me some wons slip tickets of a gambling predictor, she never told me about the strategies of this guy's winning neither did she even try to make me feel like the predictor sometimes fails on his predictions.

So then she sent me some online games to play. Actually she said I should give it a try and when I asked her to link me up on direct contact with this so excellent predictor, she disagreed and was just after convincing me to bet as she sneaked the games out from the guy then after I may have been luck to win on one time then I would have to subscribe on his channel for continues giving me out games to bet on.

I smiled and without arguing and betting on the game usually as we always assume to bet with what we can afford to loose all just so I can see the end point of her confidence but it was unfortunate that the 4 ticket games lost and she has not talked to me about it anymore.

So I wonder if she was an agent of this so predictor or someone had to convince her before she came convincing me too believing it was going to work out good for me.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

@Julien_Olynpic, in my honest opinion, I think, this time around, a lot of people are trying to become an entrepreneur, looking for what they can call a talent of their own, so they can monetize that talent and from my point of view, winning bettors believe that they make more accurate prediction and because of that, they feel confident that they can also sell those their prediction to other bettors and make more money it and also make money from their bets if it becomes successful.

Generally speaking, I think the intention of those bettors that sell prediction, is for them to make extra income but there's something that most of them do that I don't like, which is, they sell those predictions to some newbies and give the newbie a full confidence and assurance regarding the success of the prediction.

What I actually expect them to do is to put a warning that reads, "buying prediction is at your own risk because the result of the prediction is not 80% guarantee. "  At least, such warning will be fair enough that anyone buying the prediction will know the risk they are putting their self in. But they don't give those warning, they will rather convince their customer to buy it, telling them that the game is sure.

[rapsodian1213]

@Julien_Olynpic, in my honest opinion, I think, this time around, a lot of people are trying to become an entrepreneur, looking for what they can call a talent of their own, so they can monetize that talent and from my point of view, winning bettors believe that they make more accurate prediction and because of that, they feel confident that they can also sell those their prediction to other bettors and make more money it and also make money from their bets if it becomes successful.

Generally speaking, I think the intention of those bettors that sell prediction, is for them to make extra income but there's something that most of them do that I don't like, which is, they sell those predictions to some newbies and give the newbie a full confidence and assurance regarding the success of the prediction.

What I actually expect them to do is to put a warning that reads, "buying prediction is at your own risk because the result of the prediction is not 80% guarantee. "  At least, such warning will be fair enough that anyone buying the prediction will know the risk they are putting their self in. But they don't give those warning, they will rather convince their customer to buy it, telling them that the game is sure.

it appears to be discussing the practice of some professional bettors selling their game predictions to less-experienced bettors for additional income. The author expresses displeasure with the fact that these predictions are often oversold with the guarantee of success which can be misleading, as betting inherently involves risk. It seems the author advocates that a warning should accompany these predictions to clarify that there is no certainty of success. The world of sports betting, just like any other field, requires careful judgment, transparency and ethical practices.

[Obim34]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

The only concern should not be why they are out selling forecasts, but why are people still patronizing such subscriptions, the internet is a wild place and any body can decide anytime to put stuffs out there, maybe a scam or not but considering, every gambler is mandated to be smart and avoid such interactions.

Perhaps, i know it is not just every person that chooses to gamble that is very lucky enough with their wins but instead of paying for these forecasts, why not check on pages on some called pros  who do not take money for subscriptions but drop codes free for any one to edit and stake. I have seen few in my local social pages, they even tend to give more wins than those who would ask to subscribe.

[NurseHub]

Basically, I don't trust those that publish how they make their money in an easy way; of course it's not that easy, but because they also need this subscription, they can do all they can to get it.

It's a way of multiplying their own money too; the waves of the subscription button beat the finance, which is everyone's motive.

If you also observe, they only post the winning games, because that's what we want to see.

They give out different games to different people, some correct games, which is the sure game, and the others might be just subscribers for the main time until it's your turn to win. Then they pick all the wins and show it off.

It is a strategy that also makes one still hoping and playing more just so one day you can be among the winning term.

It's left for you to trust them and gamble with what they publish.

Note: No one will be so free to give you advice that can make a million so easily because they also have close people who they will love to benefit from it. 

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The author expresses displeasure with the fact that these predictions are often oversold with the guarantee of success which can be misleading, as betting inherently involves risk.

It's only newbies or desperate money seekers that would believe in such overrated hype that winning bettors place on the prediction that they want to sell. From my previous comments, I just expect the bettors to inform their customers the risk of buying the prediction.

[TheUltraElite]

This is a scam service in all sense.

The person who is being scammed in being done so in three phases:

1. Paying for the membership fee to enter the "special chat" with the "gurus"
2. Buying the picks
3. Playing those picks - this money ends up going to the site not to the scammers, but in victim's point of view, its all the same.

You cannot trust someone who is selling something that they know is going to be true. If they know sure shot bets, they would keep quiet and make money why the altruism?

Besides you can ask yourself, what is the assurance that the picks that are posted are fair? Its just their words.

[passwordnow]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

While that's their business to mind and they're free to sell whatever subscriptions or courses they want to make but these winning bettors shouldn't sell subscriptions IMHO. They can prove themselves worth it but then these calls or tips will be just their calls and they'd always rely on the words about not all of their picks are guaranteed while them, taking easy money from the subscribers.

This is no different from those trading gurus that just because they're winning their trades, they think that they're better than the others and started selling off trading courses. In the end, whoever buys this are unaware that they can make their own predictions and make themselves better by having more experience. Cut off the thought that they're selling experiences, they're making easy money from these inexperienced gamblers.

[taufik123]

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You cannot trust someone who is selling something that they know is going to be true. If they know sure shot bets, they would keep quiet and make money why the altruism?

The right choice of words for this case, Altruism can be interpreted as concern for the welfare of others without paying attention to oneself.
It's quite ridiculous actually to see someone selling a prediction that they claim is correct, then why sell it if it makes more money with the winnings already in sight.

This kind of manipulation will only affect beginners who just want everything instantly, including buying a bet or prediction and logging in to some special chat group, etc.

People who sell predictions, subscribe to special memberships etc like this take advantage of one's ignorance to make money outside of gambling.

[NurseHub]

I have watched those kinds of videos, and I don't believe them. When it has to be some kind of strategy, it's always game time for me. What I meant by game time is them also playing us a game for subscription.

You might try it the first time and it works for you; yes, it's luck, and basically it will continue to work. Funny, it might even shock them that it works because they weren't expecting it too because they just put it there for more views, maybe.
If you are a good gambler, there are some that's so good to be true, so you too should be able to set up your chances of winning and gamble hard. Well, what actually works for one might not work for the other, but if I have a doubt or a double thought about a game, I am eventually going to gamble it differently. Believe one might get it.

 This is also a good strategy you can use to get some wins
In my unpopular opinions, though. 

[peter0425]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either.

This is suspicious enough as it is already. As a potential client you would obviously want assess their chances by looking at statistics but them gatekeeping this says a lot about the service they provide. They are basically asking you to trust them blindly. Which if you are willing to take that risk, then I am not going to tell you no. But you need to be aware that there is no guarantee that their service will actually be worth it.

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

I think the question should be whether should anyone buy this? A winning player would keep on selling what he thinks is demand so if there are people willing to avail this services then the said player will sell no matter what.

[Smartprofit]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

In my opinion, no one will sell truly winning strategies to other people. There is a well-known saying about this: "No one will sell a cow that gives tasty milk!"

Theoretically, a successful player can sell other people a course on finding and evaluating winning strategies. However, in this situation, we are not talking about this. Closed chats with signals, exclusive forecasts - this is what scammers love - sellers of "air".

At best, these are simply ineffective, non-working strategies. At worst, this is just garbage.

[aioc]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:

They have to prove their claims that they have winning streaks; if they cannot show statistics, then their claims are questionable. Services like this are trust-based; if you cannot show proof of your winnings and their is no way to track their statistics, then their claims are baseless.

I have seen so many offers on Telegram, not only on betting but also on trading, but they cannot back up their claim, so those who know this scheme turn down these offers.

[MAAManda]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

That's all bullshit, no one I know who gambles for a living and makes a big profit from long run gambling offers services like the ones you mentioned. If they were great gamblers, they would definitely not tell everyone that they were great, because there would be no benefit in telling them. It's like a VIP group in trading, there is no guarantee that it will be profitable in the end, all risks are on each individual, so why join there?

[maydna]

We see this in Bitcointalk before. They can sell subscription to us here or in out there to have a closed chat/group. Perhaps, they think they are a pro gambler and have a high skills so they want to offers their service in predicting the games. But we must be careful if we see this offers because we don't know them closely and needs to research and find out more info. If I am that winning player over a long period, perhaps I will do the same to earn more money from people who needs to know the prediction without doing research.

[hedgeh0g]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

For him, this will be the best solution, because he will simply increase his profit, and so much so that it will be higher than his earnings on bets. Another thing is that we will never know whether this is a winning predictor in bets or not. We will not be able to enter his personal account and see all his bets for his entire career. Therefore, I immediately treat such subscriptions with negativity, because 98% of them will be scammers and shorlatans. His main task is to look like a winner in the long run, frankly speaking, I consider those who buy such subscriptions to be insane, no offense. Sometimes I think that even someone who bets at random will have a higher EV than someone who bought these advertised subscriptions.

[mirakal]

I think the decision to sell or not is up to the bettor itself. If he finds it working on his part and a lot of bettors are asking him to do that, then most probably he becomes more motivated to do that. Where there is money, surely that’s what most bettors prefer to do.

However, we should not forget that gambling is gambling, and the results will never be certain. So if I were to decide on this part, I wouldn’t sell forecasts or ask for subscriptions because once the betting results are out and are not siding my own forecasts, then I will be definitely responsible for all their losses. No matter how we say they should also be responsible for their own bets, but still in the end blaming the source is still unavoidable. But still the decision is left for the individual bettors whether to buy the forecasts or not.

[Coin_trader]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

There’s no written rule about the illegality of selling forecast/predictions so everyone has the right to do it. The trivial question is how legit or how accurate their forecast in able to sustain an accurate prediction long term because this is always the common problem of this kind of service.

Also some bookmaker track the betting pattern of every players across all the casino which means if you guys are winning as group using same bet pick there’s a chance that you will be restricted or accused for multiple account due to same betting activity/pick.

Selling forecast is not bad but I will never purchased anything like this as a gambler.

[_act_]

You can also ask whether we should trust such players. If there's demand, you can sell anything online, as history shows. And also, the question is, why would anyone sell something that brings them a good profit? In my opinion, those who sell forecasts are not who they claim to be, and we should not naively trust them. But as long as there is demand, there will always be supply.

What I noticed is that if they have millions of subscribers, the money they will make from their subscribers will be far higher than the money they are making from gambling or they may be losing while gambling or not gambling at all. But generally I do not think anyone is making money from gambling just like you meant. They give services that is 60% accurate and people are still stupid to go for such services.