Should winning bettors sell subscriptions?

[boyptc]

Let's say that a bettor has got some good records of winning but anyone nowadays can fake their records.

It's not safe and I won't go that deep buying or subscribing with any of their predictions. I'll choose my own on this and won't patronize them with any of such services they sell related to betting.

[Strongkored]

bettors who sell predictions or anything that can make them money without having to bet are the same as traders who sell signals, saying they have a high win rate but actually they just want to make money in an easier way, they understand that it is not easy to make money in gambling, even if they are as careful as they are in doing analysis, there is still a chance of losing. 
So selling subscriptions should not be done unless they are selling unique gambling content that can entertain those who subscribe to their channel, but selling subscriptions to provide betting forecasts I would consider it almost the same as scam because no on can guarantee wining in sportsbetting.

[Taskford]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

No, If they are really winning why still need the money of other people? must be so fucking rich if they have script that working to give them higher chance to win.

What I see is those scammers is only doing that thing, they deceive innocent people for thinking that they can bring good gains from their table. But the fact is those people is just going after with their and leave them once they got what they want from their unfortunate prospects.

Common for those influencers to exaggerate things the way how they promote their self or products since that is how they earn money.

[GxSTxV]

This subject is already discussed several times before, there are no winning bettors selling their tips or forecasts to generate more revenue. Logically speaking, a good analyzer and knowledgeable person of a specific sport, will be famous and won’t need to bet for an income and risk that much. Most of these groups, channels and individuals are only trying to steal greedy people who are purchasing a fake holy grail to generate money from gambling. I still cannot accept or believe the idea of generating a stable income from gambling, unless you own a casino or a platform.

In the other hand, offering such services on public will only make you in trouble as soon as someone loses a significant amount of money and starts to accuse you.

[coin-investor]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:

Influencers are good in manipulation; if they are selling subscriptions, they have to show something and they better be their own betting strategy and now someone else, if they cannot offer  at least a one week trial test their forecasts and strategy then better ignore their-services.

I don't know if it's very similar to what they offer in trading; if they can make a lot of profit on their system, why not keep it on their own and just continue using their system to make profit.

I'm ok with free signals and forecasts, but I have not tried paid subscriptions because I am making good predictions on the sports I'm betting.

[YOSHIE]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

They sell ideas and experiences that they have won, remember that in the next game it is not certain that they will succeed, you can buy all kinds of services or telegram chats, they only sell thoughts, not sell winnings in gambling.

For me, bet and gamble according to your own instincts, rather than having to buy or pay for all kinds of ideas from winners, for me that is not a good idea in gambling, gambling cannot be taken to re-bet from experience, Gambling must be wagered with a new recipe, experience may only apply to certain games.

[Cryptomultiplier]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

The best approach for me would always be to firstly verify the legitimateness of their claim.
Secondly, would be to understand their pattern of predictions and why.
I think if we can get some sense from the information these winning bettors use, we should be able to better understand and develop our own betting style, that may be much more profitable.

It doesn't really matter how they manipulate the market or sell their products, it boils down to how brilliant one is in weighing their words and taking a decision.

[bitbollo]

I think everyone can do what they think is appropriate.
Of course avoid harming others with a scam or providing false information.

I created a topic some years ago where I shared suggestions on betting and specific tips.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1234109.0

In reality it is not a simple activity and requires specific time, obviously I have never offered paid results because I do not believe it is ethical.

[avp2306]

This subject is already discussed several times before, there are no winning bettors selling their tips or forecasts to generate more revenue. Logically speaking, a good analyzer and knowledgeable person of a specific sport, will be famous and won’t need to bet for an income and risk that much. Most of these groups, channels and individuals are only trying to steal greedy people who are purchasing a fake holy grail to generate money from gambling. I still cannot accept or believe the idea of generating a stable income from gambling, unless you own a casino or a platform.

In the other hand, offering such services on public will only make you in trouble as soon as someone loses a significant amount of money and starts to accuse you.

Exactly, read this topic for so many times here. They could just used the search bar of this forum since for sure that they can see a lot of topic that discuss about this activities.

Also if people would just analyze everything related to those offer they would know that everything in gambling is also unpredictable. Although there are times they win, but the next result would provably unknown. If someone selling them a script to win a lot of money on such casino they are mentioning then provably its all lie.

Much better for them to save their ass from troubles and bet according to their research done since this is most ideal thing to do if they really want to get more higher chance to win.

[Marykeller]

A gambler who understands that gambling is all about luck, not easily predicted, won't buy into this telegram channel idea because it's just like paying into something that you will still lose after giving you much hope of winning.

Unfortunately, some gamblers choose to learn the hard way that they can't win a fortune from gambling. It seems fine to gamble with what you have on your own with less expectation than going all in a telegram channel that you will lose afterward

[nimogsm]

This scam is already 100 years old. In addition to the alleged sale of successful forecasts, the seller's task is to give his affiliate link and receive his percentage from all games. In such groups, they post screenshots only from successful forecasts to create the illusion that the information seller really understands something and is a professional. Before paying for something like this, you should always ask yourself the question: if I were a successful forecaster, would I create competitors for myself?)

[Jawhead999]

We can't control other people, it's their right.

But, if they want to sell subscriptions, it means they're really greedy with money.

They make money from ad sense, sponsorship, donation, referral and gambling itself (assuming they're really a professional gambler). I've mention five income streams that they can make, however they add one more... even though it's unethical.

[AmoreJaz]

We can't control other people, it's their right.

But, if they want to sell subscriptions, it means they're really greedy with money.

They make money from ad sense, sponsorship, donation, referral and gambling itself (assuming they're really a professional gambler). I've mention five income streams that they can make, however they add one more... even though it's unethical.

As we put it, people will always find a way how to grab money from anyone. Being ethical or not is not their concern anymore but as to how much money they can extract from people. Usually, those who are selling their services and claiming to have high percentage of winning rate, are scammers. Because if they are indeed making profits from their bets, they won't steal money from their fellow gamblers. Because I equate this act also to stealing because they are selling their services and yet, no valid proof of becoming profitable from this activity.

[Weawant]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

Well thats like sounds a trading paid subscription channel. Well if his really good at it maybe can it doesnt differ much on trading signals. But this one is quite risky since were talking about pure gambling while trading has it owns parameter on winning this one based on luck and a risky strategy that involve potential loss at 70 to 80%

Selling forecast is mainly another way of making money away from predicting games and that's what some gamblers have resulted to because they think they are going to make more money or even make it a recovery method away from just gambling, because they know that it's risky that gambling can be a game that you can loose and win sometimes hence, they have to make a backup plan by getting people into paying them because they wouldn't want to be at the loosing end always.  A 70% to 80% win on gambling isn't a bad one actually and if you have a system that produces this kind of result it's will be okay to hold onto it even if there's some losses at some point.

[Accardo]

And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

Well thats like sounds a trading paid subscription channel. Well if his really good at it maybe can it doesnt differ much on trading signals. But this one is quite risky since were talking about pure gambling while trading has it owns parameter on winning this one based on luck and a risky strategy that involve potential loss at 70 to 80%

A 70% to 80% win on gambling isn't a bad one actually and if you have a system that produces this kind of result it's will be okay to hold onto it even if there's some losses at some point.

Do you believe that a gambler with 80% winning possibility would want to sell it as a service for other people to benefit? It's not happening anywhere, and let's assume a player like that exists, he'd be in a hotel room with his team of statisticians, working on proper methods to win all the times. His goal would not come close to helping other people win, when he can make all the money by himself.

[Slow death]

We have to ask ourselves if someone were a winning gambler, why would they be wasting their time creating channels and charging for subscriptions when they could be making a lot of money from betting and traveling. When you research the biggest gamblers in the world, you see that they weren't creating channels or charging for courses. They were focusing on improving their skills so they could make a lot of money. I've said this many times that it makes no sense to pay for these services. Gambling should be seen as just fun. And people should analyze the games themselves.

What's the point of a person paying for tips? When people pay for tips, they are taking all the fun out of it. For example, tomorrow there is a Manchester vs. Liverpool game. So a person pays $50 for a tip on who will win. And they are told that Liverpool will win. The day of the game arrives and Liverpool wins. So that person will not celebrate much, because although they have won money, it was not through their own effort. While another person who did not pay for a subscription, analyzed the game and got it right, will celebrate a lot.

[ralle14]

They're already winning more than half of their bets and at that point, it's more of a bonus for them so there's no need to start offering subscriptions.

What's the point of a person paying for tips? When people pay for tips, they are taking all the fun out of it. For example, tomorrow there is a Manchester vs. Liverpool game. So a person pays $50 for a tip on who will win. And they are told that Liverpool will win. The day of the game arrives and Liverpool wins. So that person will not celebrate much, because although they have won money, it was not through their own effort. While another person who did not pay for a subscription, analyzed the game and got it right, will celebrate a lot.

Others pay for tips because they can afford them and don't have the time to spend researching matches. Also, it's easy to fall for their winning record and assume you'll get your money's worth from their service.

I disagree with the celebration part, as someone who's followed several bets of other gamblers, I still treat those wins the same as any other wins i've had because the ending is still the same and we're all just trying to look for ways on how to win our bets.

[KTChampions]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

What do you mean by "not all of them"? It sounds like there are those who can show verifiable long-term winning statistics, and there are quite a few of them. In fact, I would be interested to see at least one such gambler.
As for selling forecasts, there is a real paradox here: if such a successful bettor exists, he is already banned everywhere, which means selling forecasts is a completely logical move 

[DaNNy001]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

I've seen a lot of paid sites that showcase different reviews of winning tickets by different people but those things are just edited they are just putting them out there to entice people...A subscription channel that has a closed chat should be a red flag cause it's obvious that they wouldn't want people to complain when there's a problem. I don't have a problem with winning bettors or gamblers selling subscriptions ow whatever my only problem Is with the set of people that claim to have a sure system that works , it's really infuriating that people still fall for scams like this

[Antotena]

I watch several influencers on Telegram. Each of them claims to be a winning player over a long distance. But not all of them provide statistics on winnings. Not all of them can show statistics on the verifier either. And most importantly, many sell a variety of things:
1. A subscription to a closed chat, where, according to them, you can chat with the best bettors.
2. Selling forecasts.
3. Selling access to a paid service, which, according to their authors, has forecasts for matches in which there is a transfer above the bookmaker's line.
And what do you think, should a winning player over a long distance sell forecasts, access to a closed chat or access to a closed service?

I will rather use my money and dash other people than use that money to buy any player subscription. What I want you to puzzle out from the people that offer this service is that the don't win anything in reality. Human beings don't show their unique and secret ways to success, it's not like they are wicked but that's how the world operate and that's how it's done in every other part of the world, those guys have nothing to offer but a heist that will give you nothing in return.

If I'm a gambler and I have a sure strategy of winning the casino, my best target is to get funds and try my strategy. I will get money from fellow friends and it wouldn't be a borrowed money and I will gamble it and win, repeat the process on and on severally until I make sure I made millions, these are the kind of thoughts should come to head and not busy looking for a cheap strategy to sell to other fellow players.