Bitpost - the decentralized system for global parcel delivery

[setebi79]

If Bitpost identifies its users only through wallet keys, how will you deal with eliminating scammers from your ecosystem? After all, creating a new wallet and thus a new, clean identity takes only seconds.

[joniboini]

If Bitpost identifies its users only through wallet keys, how will you deal with eliminating scammers from your ecosystem? After all, creating a new wallet and thus a new, clean identity takes only seconds.

I'm also curious about this. Probably through its deposit mechanism if one of the scammers tries to participate as the hub/delivery point. I'm not sure a scammer will try to pose as a sender/receiver since they need to spend some fess too, if I read the whitepaper correctly. I believe it's still a good idea to explore to make the project more compelling for the public though. CMIIW.

[BitpostNetwork]

The security mechanisms of Bitpost do not rely on user reputation; instead, they are applied individually to each shipment. Therefore, the ability to create an unlimited number of new identities is not a concern. Any attempt at fraud will always result in the loss of the deposit by the dishonest participant in favor of the affected customer. It does not matter whether the attacker uses a completely new identity, or even a compromised identity belonging to another user with an impeccable transaction history.

[setebi79]

Another question comes up. How do you plan to prevent your project from being used for illegal activities? Such an anonymous delivery option would be the perfect tool for criminals to send someone a bomb or poison.

[BitpostNetwork]

Such an anonymous delivery option would be the perfect tool for criminals to send someone a bomb or poison.

Not at all. All traditional shipping companies are actually better suited for this. In fact, Bitpost is the only one that is completely unsuitable for such purposes, because confirmation of receipt originating from the recipient is the crucial mechanism for the entire system to work. If you don’t know what the package is, you simply don’t accept it and no one can leave anything at your door when you're out.

Furthermore, Bitpost privacy options are flexible, primarily focusing on protecting against third-party access. Complete anonymity is only an option the recipient can agree to if they trust the sender and see a good reason to use this feature. Most shipments can be sent with all data visible to the recipient and detailed tracking available, and this is the standard way Bitpost operates.

[joker_josue]

In short, what are you proposing a service equivalent to DoorDash?

[dkbit98]

Any attempt at fraud will always result in the loss of the deposit by the dishonest participant in favor of the affected customer.

And who is holding this deposit from evil participant in the mean time, and how is this going to be released to customer?
I expect you are probably going to say that smart contract is doing all the work or something like that, but I just had to ask the question.
Until you show us something real this is all just words.

In short, what are you proposing a service equivalent to DoorDash?

I don't think DoorDash and similar services ever had a token presale for collecting money

[joker_josue]

In short, what are you proposing a service equivalent to DoorDash?

I don't think DoorDash and similar services ever had a token presale for collecting money

Well... I didn't want to go down that path... 

I wanted to at least understand what the idea behind this "thing" was...

[BitpostNetwork]

In short, what are you proposing a service equivalent to DoorDash?

Setting aside the fact that Bitpost is decentralized and cryptocurrency-based, it’s more comparable to DHL or UPS rather than DoorDash. DoorDash focuses on local deliveries, where a single driver manages the entire delivery from sender to recipient. Bitpost breaks routes into smaller segments, handled by different couriers, and routes packages through multiple sorting / exchange hubs. This approach makes it suitable for long-distance deliveries, such as shipping orders from online stores.

And who is holding this deposit from evil participant in the mean time, and how is this going to be released to customer?
I expect you are probably going to say that smart contract is doing all the work or something like that, but I just had to ask the question.
Until you show us something real this is all just words.

The security deposit in Bitpost is indeed managed by a smart contract; otherwise, we couldn’t call this project fully decentralized. There’s no complex, “out-of-this-world” technology behind this mechanism that you’d have to take on faith. It’s just straightforward logic that releases the deposit to one address or another, depending on statuses recorded on the blockchain by network participants and the customer.

[joker_josue]

In short, what are you proposing a service equivalent to DoorDash?

Setting aside the fact that Bitpost is decentralized and cryptocurrency-based, it’s more comparable to DHL or UPS rather than DoorDash. DoorDash focuses on local deliveries, where a single driver manages the entire delivery from sender to recipient. Bitpost breaks routes into smaller segments, handled by different couriers, and routes packages through multiple sorting / exchange hubs. This approach makes it suitable for long-distance deliveries, such as shipping orders from online stores.

But do you want to set up a new delivery company?
This seems like something very big and complex to me. It should take several years to reach more than one country, perhaps the same time for just one country.

[dkbit98]

Setting aside the fact that Bitpost is decentralized and cryptocurrency-based, it’s more comparable to DHL or UPS rather than DoorDash.

Right now Bitpost is nothing more than just an idea, and there is nothing decentralized about that.
It is silly to say that any token on blockchain is making something automatically decentralized.

The security deposit in Bitpost is indeed managed by a smart contract; otherwise, we couldn’t call this project fully decentralized. There’s no complex, “out-of-this-world” technology behind this mechanism that you’d have to take on faith. It’s just straightforward logic that releases the deposit to one address or another, depending on statuses recorded on the blockchain by network participants and the customer.

I don't consider smart contract on ethereum to be secure at all.
All smart contracts are full of bugs, and we all know many cases when millions if not billions got lost ans stolen because of this.
Like I said previously, show us real life example that you have something concrete... because so far I saw nothing but words.

[BitpostNetwork]

But do you want to set up a new delivery company?

We're not setting up any company. We're developing a decentralized protocol and application that enables regular people from all over the world who are complete strangers to each other to safely exchange parcels entrusted by customers, allowing them to operate as if they were one large global delivery company despite having no business or legal ties between them. Our software connects two types of users: (1) customers who need to send a package to a certain location anywhere in the world and (2) network participants who want to earn money by collecting, transporting, storing, sorting, and delivering these parcels.

Right now Bitpost is nothing more than just an idea

I’m not sure why you think this is just an idea. The Bitpost white paper presents a complete architecture and operational principles of this project. The only thing left is to translate them into real application code, which will be accomplished in less than a year.

and there is nothing decentralized about that.
It is silly to say that any token on blockchain is making something automatically decentralized.

So what do you consider centralized in our project?

[joker_josue]

But do you want to set up a new delivery company?

We're not setting up any company. We're developing a decentralized protocol and application that enables regular people from all over the world who are complete strangers to each other to safely exchange parcels entrusted by customers, allowing them to operate as if they were one large global delivery company despite having no business or legal ties between them. Our software connects two types of users: (1) customers who need to send a package to a certain location anywhere in the world and (2) network participants who want to earn money by collecting, transporting, storing, sorting, and delivering these parcels.

So it's a mix of DoorDash and DHL.

The idea may be interesting, but transport costs would rise significantly. Mainly when shipping between different countries.
How would you make it viable to send an order from Europe to the USA?

[dkbit98]

I’m not sure why you think this is just an idea. The Bitpost white paper presents a complete architecture and operational principles of this project. The only thing left is to translate them into real application code, which will be accomplished in less than a year.

This is exact confirmation of what I said before.
You had an idea and you wrote it in digital format you call whitepaper.
What you call ''the only thing left'' is 99% of the project.

So what do you consider centralized in our project?

I was speaking in general terms about tokens on blockchain, but you are controlling  token supply, and you will control currently non-existent code for smart contract.
If your team stops working Bitpost is dead.
Even a kid understands this.

[joker_josue]

This is exact confirmation of what I said before.
You had an idea and you wrote it digital format you call whitepaper.
What you call ''the only thing left'' is 99% of the project.

Maybe he's afraid someone will steal his idea, so he presented it this way.

I think that before proceeding, it would be good to ask the community for their opinion, if the goal is to involve the community.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5511991.0

[BitpostNetwork]

The idea may be interesting, but transport costs would rise significantly. Mainly when shipping between different countries.

Transport costs could indeed be high in the early stages of the project, until package volumes increase and as long as drivers undertake journeys solely for Bitpost assignments. The key is to utilize existing journeys that would be happening anyway. For example, if someone is driving to a distant city or going on vacation to another country and has extra space in their car, they can take some packages along. For them, it’s a real saving on fuel, and for Bitpost, it lowers transport costs.

How would you make it viable to send an order from Europe to the USA?

First of all, let's create a decentralized protocol that will make this possible and let the logistics network to grow independently in Europe and the USA. One day, somebody will add the first connection between a hub in Europe and a hub in the USA and will earn money from it, and it will be a big day for the project. It’s entirely up to the creativity of the community to make such a connection possible and then optimize it to make it cost-effective.

You had an idea and you wrote it in digital format you call whitepaper.
What you call ''the only thing left'' is 99% of the project.

Beign inside this project, I disagree with that. In my opinion, the biggest challenge was designing the business logic and internal mechanisms of this project and eliminating conflicts of interest and design flaws. There are things you might not even think about, such as:

• Whether to allow the update the coordinates of an existing Bitpost Hub to a different location. If so, what should be done with the existing routes to it? What happens if someone moves a Hub with customer shipments to the other side of the world?
• Should couriers reserve a transport order on the blockchain before carrying it? If so, what should be done if a courier reserves an order but does not complete it? Should the security deposit be locked at the time of reservation? What if the courier arrives to pick up the package and at that moment their wallet balance is insufficient to place the deposit? Or maybe we shouldn't make any reservations at all, and the first status on the blockchain would be the package pickup? In that case, how can we ensure that the same order isn't accepted by another driver who then realizes halfway through the trip that the order has already been completed?
  

I mentioned two simple cases here, but we had hundreds of them. We've been working on this since 2022, and we currently have everything developed. All the creative work has been done. Now the programmers just need to write the code according to these rules, which any reasonably experienced team can do.

I was speaking in general terms about tokens on blockchain, but you are controlling  token supply, and you will control currently non-existent code for smart contract.
If your team stops working Bitpost is dead.

That's true, but only until the first working version is released. After that, the decentralized governance system will take control of all Bitpost smart contracts, and we will have no control over it; every update will be implemented through voting by BPG token holders.

[joker_josue]

The idea may be interesting, but transport costs would rise significantly. Mainly when shipping between different countries.

Transport costs could indeed be high in the early stages of the project, until package volumes increase and as long as drivers undertake journeys solely for Bitpost assignments. The key is to utilize existing journeys that would be happening anyway. For example, if someone is driving to a distant city or going on vacation to another country and has extra space in their car, they can take some packages along. For them, it’s a real saving on fuel, and for Bitpost, it lowers transport costs.

So, you cannot compare yourself to DHL or Fedex. But, yes, to individuals who do a job transporting a package from one place to another.

What guarantees can they give, that whoever carries out this transport will follow all the rules and act correctly?

[BitpostNetwork]

What guarantees can they give, that whoever carries out this transport will follow all the rules and act correctly?

Anyone who breaks the rules loses not their reward but also the security deposit of their own funds, making any form of abuse unprofitable.

[dkbit98]

That's true, but only until the first working version is released. After that, the decentralized governance system will take control of all Bitpost smart contracts, and we will have no control over it; every update will be implemented through voting by BPG token holders.

So this decentralized governance system is also going to sell tokens and make profit from them?  
You are wrong if you think that smart contracts are some perpetuum mobile device that magically works by itself.
You are welcome to prove me wrong, and show some github code, photos of your team, etc.

That's true, but only until the first working version is released. After that, the decentralized governance system will take control of all Bitpost smart contracts, and we will have no control over it; every update will be implemented through voting by BPG token holders.

You are going to be majority of BPG token holders with 20% of all supply, and December 2024 is coming soon with end of fundraising.