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October 04, 2024, 02:50:12 PM
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This movement of theirs will only work on those physical betting shop - if they decide to be strict and even take it further by destroying those shops (it’s possible for them to do since no one will come out and claim they took part in the destruction) they’ll only push those gamblers to be more active online.

One way or another they’ll find their way to an online betting platform and continue their activity - instead what they should be doing is to make sure they tell those physical not to allow underage gamblers to use their site and if possible they should come along with an id card to prove that they are of age and also if anyone complains about their relative being too involved in gambling they should not attend to them when they come back to their shop, that will be more effective than using brute force.

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October 04, 2024, 02:56:47 PM
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Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more
Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

When it comes to talking about religion, it turns controversial very soon. It's better to talk about religion rather than a single of them.
To gamble or not is a personal choice and no one should to forced into or away from it irrespective of their religion.
In 21st century, almost every of the people are living in reality and living their life as they want to while a small number of people still are restricting their desires and shaping their mind depending on the books written by some religious scholars centuries ago. But for coming out of the box, its the person himself/herself that need to explore the real world and find what they want with their life.
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October 04, 2024, 02:59:18 PM
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Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

If the regions where there gambling sanctions is dominated by the respective religions, then it's possible them to have great influences on deciding on gambling to be restricted. It'd also be assumed that part of the government authorities in that geographical areas are in support of the same believe of protesting against gambling which gives it more advantage for religions to successfully get gambling to an end within the societies.
As for addiction gamblers, they're basically to be blamed because addiction is a choice.

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October 04, 2024, 03:17:47 PM
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First of all, there is a difference. If Muslims are meant, then gambling is the actions of Shaitan, as explicitly stated in the Quran (5:90, 5:91). If Christians are meant, then there is no religious prohibition on gambling for them. Exactly how religious authorities can influence violators of the ban depends on the local situation.  If they have real power, then there is an opportunity to completely eradicate gambling. But this is only temporary. One way or another, people will still find ways to participate in gambling or betting. In fact, there is nothing wrong with this, as long as it does not develop into a gambling addiction.


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October 04, 2024, 04:09:50 PM
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People have different beliefs and now if they think gambling with physical shops and avoid these people to play and they think its good now its their belief but we have a law on it now if they make a damage to property there's a legal process on that and of course a sanctions people recently now using their phones and internet, I've seen only few betting shops open instead they migrate into online in that thing I guess its a very huge move they need to shut it down.

 
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October 04, 2024, 04:12:02 PM
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Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

If the regions where there gambling sanctions is dominated by the respective religions, then it's possible them to have great influences on deciding on gambling to be restricted. It'd also be assumed that part of the government authorities in that geographical areas are in support of the same believe of protesting against gambling which gives it more advantage for religions to successfully get gambling to an end within the societies.
Can this actually lead to a successful end of gambling among their followers within that society or region. Am not sure it will, because to me the action is targeted towards the effect and not the cause.  Many of these gamblers do gamble just to be able to make money, that's what had led them to gambling and if they could be engaged in meaningful jobs and empowerments skills then that would have been a great way to tackle the cause of them gambling while would ultimately end the spate of Gambling within the region  without them having to go destroy or lockdown gambling shop's.

In as much as these people have started gambling and they don't have any meaningful job assuring them a pay the next day, week or month then it's possible that their next stop now  will be to nocturnally go with online gambling. Now how is their religious corps prepared to handle that.

As for addiction gamblers, they're basically to be blamed because addiction is a choice.
True! A decision that they should be held responsible for but however since it seems like addicts are a victim of the circumstance people therefore don't want to reason it that way that it's a choice they made themselves.

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October 04, 2024, 04:23:10 PM
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Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

Winning or losing from the dogma side isn't the discussion here, because no matter what dogma is created, people will still go to gambling shops if they still have the intention to gamble. Methods such as forcibly closing gambling places are not a good way either, everything should return to each person's responsibility in gambling.

Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Back to self-responsibility, we see some people who are addicted & become problem gamblers, there are also people who often gamble but they still have a normal life, where's the mistake? why can the output be different? the answer is in the self-responsibility that I mean.

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October 04, 2024, 04:38:42 PM
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*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity.

Since gambling is not illegal in Nigeria, they have no case. Religious leaders will only preach against gambling in their program and true faithful will have to follow the instruction. Gambling is forbidden in Islam, so it is Muslims who should avoid it. Forcing others to abide by Islamic laws is wrong.
It’s not as easy as you think. Most states in the North practice Shariah Law, to them the Shariah Law is more superior to the law of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. There have been cases where people in the North have overridden instructions from the federal government when it comes to their religion. I remember a time someone was stoned to death because she said something about the religion which was perceived to be an attack on their faith. The government did nothing about it till date.

Since you can’t beat them, the wise decision would be to move your business (if it goes against their religious beliefs like selling of alcoholic beverages, Bitcoin, gambling, e.t.c) to a different location preferlalu the South, West or Eastern regions of the country.

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October 04, 2024, 04:57:33 PM
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In countries in which the Sharia law is enforced and the majority of the population is Muslin, I believe it would be indeed possible for authorities to shut down most of the betting shops and gambling facilities, but that would not stop people betting and gambling underground.
Also, I don't think gambling shop itself is to be blamed for the addiction some people suffer when dangerously get I engaged in it, to be honest. even if gambling addicts are beneficial for the casinos and bookies in general, they still have dedicated sections on their webpages which are dedicated to responsible gambling and how people should not deposit more than they are afford to lose to their bad luck.

Those shops owners were likely released because they did not coming any crime, when comes to the constitution of Nigeria, but if the constitution would side on the Muslin population and their beliefs, then this story could have come to an end in a different way.

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October 04, 2024, 05:04:05 PM
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Don't you have a feeling that there might be another way to approach an environmental issue other than closing gambling shops?


There's is like I mentioned gambling houses should be allowed to operate only in certain areas not anywhere like a grocery shop but it differs with laws of our country and culture too but my suggestion will be have them at a place where a kid can't be accessed or atleast legally that will keep them away until they're old enough and they are free to make whatever decision they want to make and has to face the consequences on their own too but if the country's regime is strictly against gambling then there's no way other than moving where it's legal.

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October 04, 2024, 05:11:38 PM
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Religious group should shift their focus on actual crimes, demonizing gambling is weird. I can understand someone saying that they don't gambling but I will not understand anyone trying to paint it as the demon in the society. Yes you can say some people has been affected but there are lots of non gamblers still facing the issues that gamblers are facing right now.
But my advice would be for gamblers to actually gamble responsibility, you have to know when to call it a quite and how to manage your resources.

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October 04, 2024, 05:15:37 PM
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I don't think what Muslim communities are doing is going to stop their people from gambling. What it can only do is limit the way they are gambling publicly since they are not allowed to gamble. They will hide and do it, or better yet, they will move to a gambling-friendly state like the eastern part of the country. 
 
On the side of knowing if gambling is the cause of their addiction, I will say that in most cases, if there was never anything called gambling, it is not time that we will have addicted gamblers, and if the gambler is also a responsible person, it is not time that they will get addicted so easily like that to gambling, so it's the fault of both the gambler and the industry itself.

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Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.
It's a religion and not a national ban or restrictions, usually none of religious encourages gambling but lot of people blinded their ears to gamble including you that made this, I believe your religious forbids gambling but yet you didn't stop and they didn't noticed you are gambler because you are gambling responsibly.

I don't have much to say about this because I know gambling shop or bookmarkers aren't to be blamed here rather people to blame are those who doesn't apply responsible gambling practice, they can also locked down some shops and close them but this doesn't mean that they are entirely restricted from accessing those site online with their personal device such as smart phone or PC.

I don't see this to be a case to worry because since is not the entire country banning gambling then there are every possibility that people most still gamble within themselves through their phones and it can only affects physical shops around there but doesn't mean they would entirely restricts those sites within the northern region of Nigeria.

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October 04, 2024, 05:23:04 PM
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If we discuss gambling in a Muslim majority country, maybe it is something that is prohibited according to their religious teachings. So when the government prohibits gambling on the basis that it is against the teachings of the majority religion, then there is nothing that can be done by the gamblers other than obeying the rules. Because I also live in a Muslim majority country and here the government is very strict about the rules that citizens are not allowed to gamble, anyone who violates it will be subject to criminal penalties. However, in any case, the rule only applies in open places or if someone reports it - if you gamble at home and the activity is not detected by the police, then you should be free to gamble, but the risk is still borne by yourself.

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Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more
Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

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It will really be just that depending whether the government would really be that approving such thing, if on the time that the church do make out some complaints about gambling addiction
on which i couldnt be blamed them out specially if they've seen their kids getting addicted into it or even into those adults who do really make out some engagement.

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Gambling addiction is really that indeed a choice. Why? On the moment that you do really play gambling then it would really be that too impossible that you cant really be
able to notice out that you are already compromising your life savings. You would really be definitely be trying out to make yourself as a winner and this is where addiction would be starting.

Petitions and complaints could really be granted and just been said that it will really be all basing up on their governments actions towards it.
There would really be those who do banned it but majority of them would really be having some small penaltries and there's no way that we could really be able to stop it.,
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October 04, 2024, 05:33:31 PM
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There is nothing wrong with gambling places, because not all religions forbid gambling. And those who set up gambling places, they just want to make money to support themselves and their families. Those who destroy gambling places and arrest their owners are those who are too fanatical about their religion, because they think that only the religion they follow is the most correct.

And even if there is someone who gambles, even though in the religion he adheres to it is not allowed, then let it be his responsibility. However, as fellow believers we are obliged to remind him or reprimand him, but reprimand him in a good way, do not let there be violence, let alone damage.

When we want to invite to goodness, then the way must also be good. Because if we invite to goodness in a bad way, then it will only cause quarrels and hostility.

And in response to Op's question "Can religious dogma really win the war against gambling?

Religion has regulated everything, what is right and what is wrong, what is halal and what is haram. All of that has been explained, but it all goes back to humans themselves, whether or not they want to follow the teachings of their religion, because everything has its retribution.

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Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more
Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Base on this I was contemplating with a few questions in mind which I couldn't really answer myself. Questions such as:
*Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.

*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.

Pls let neutrally discuss on this logically.

Neutrally speaking the religious dogma that you says it has been waging wars in the Middle East from quite a lot of time and a good example are the ongoing wars there, so based on that I think that the religious dogma can easily win the fight against gambling. I say so because if they can wager wars, make people go in war for such ideals it would be very easy to make people believe that gambling is bad, especially people who have been hit by a hard luck in a consecutive fashion way. They can easily win the fight against gambling addiction for the same logic I am placing here, if they can make people go to war I believe they can make people to stop gambling, it all depends on how strong people believe in what they do in their lives. If someone feels joy gambling then the fight can not be won by such dogma, if someone gambles because he is greedy the dogma can easily win the fight.


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October 04, 2024, 05:56:23 PM
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Such problems should be handled directly by the government. issuing proper regulations for gambling. if it is indeed prohibited in certain areas, it can be focused on areas that are indeed designated as gambling centers. but if it is prohibited as a whole, then there is no need for compromise anymore. closures must be carried out.

Opening a betting shop in a more religious environment will never be good. there will always be opposition from the community. I don't think the impact is very big, but people who are very religious have a bad view of gambling.
For these business people, it is better to look for a better place to run their business so that it can last long and without interference. no need to force yourself.

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October 04, 2024, 06:04:21 PM
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Islamic police shuts down 30 betting shops in Kano threatens to close more
Days ago a religious corps in the northern part of Nigeria which is mostly a Muslim dominated part of the country, during the week had to enforce a shutdown of betting shops in their communities sighting various complains from people about how their wards and children are getting rather too addicted to gambling. A situation that led to the arrest of the bet-shop owners which according to the news were later released... You can check the link to get the full gist.

Government will have to do their own path in ensuring that the people are not too affected by the consequences of what they are doing, from the other side, we can also consider the interest of the people because some are too addicted in doing something, such activities might be causing for violent or related activities in which the government have to settle by interfering on their behalf, with all these, everyone should stay educated about gambling, government should moderate the sector and know they cant eradicate it, and we should gamble responsible.

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October 04, 2024, 07:45:56 PM
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Can the religious dogma's actually win the fight against gambling with every possible steps they've been taking to see that they dislodge people of their religion or residence from the activity. What are your opinions about the measures they have been taking in the bid to restrain their faithfuls from gambling, do you think these measures in recent times are making progress? Because from what we have been noticing it seems more and more people seem to get into gambling everyday both christians and Muslims alike.
Religion is typically seen as the a people's way of life, and it's very obvious in most Muslim countries, gambling is prohibited, So if elites of this region may have placed banned on gambling, then I don't believe there is anything anybody can do. However, inasmuch as gambling shops are banned from operation, I'm sure that wouldn't stop those living in those geographical location from visiting online gambling platforms to place a bet.

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*Secondly, is it a fault from gamble about those who fall into gambling addiction? since there are majority of persons that have been also gambling for years but doing it responsibly and having fun with the activity, never having to deal with any addiction issues.
Gambling is never to be blamed when a person falls into addiction, but rather the inability of a person to have self control over his/herself is what to be blamed when such an individual falls into gambling addiction. Because most times, what makes people fall into gambling addiction is desperation over the need for money, while seeing gambling as the online source of income. Which is why if they gamble and don't win, they tend to gamble irresponsibly with the mindset of getting lucky, which doesn't always go as planned.

 
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