BK8 the best scamer ever in Asia!

[ryzaadit]

If I may... perhaps you'll want to nominate examplens, nutildah, yahoo62278 amongst the other name of your choosing [I'll automatically agree with these three names] you'll propose. Not because I am sure they'll take my side, it's simply because I know these three oversee and mediate scam accusations from neutral ground, with open mind, yet painfully detailed, and they probably would say yes if I PM them asking their willingness to help resolve a case by reviewing a data.

Even you proposed these, I doubt he gonna to be comply with the request from DT-1 member.


I'm gonna answer mostly @OP question thread, Sportbets always have some case not just in BK8 but in every single casino. There always have some case for sportbets, it's nothing new for us. Meanwhile for casino user, is rarely happens.


1. How does the casino, punish or know your activity?
Answer: It's because the provider bookmaker, they have a system to analysis your betting activity pattern. If you having doing activity are being prohibited, they can caught you and notify the casino. Casino and provider are different, it's third parties company are using for casino. BTW, provider can detect you as well (If you doing the same things on other casinos) as long the casino using the same provider. They could be stored your database device.

2. Do the casino share how the casino/provider can detect your activity? (It's a request from your thread)
Answer:No, In my 3-4 years gambling and active in gambling section. Every single casino, never answers these is basically creates a loophole and user use those to take advantage of the casino. Just scroll up and search case in Scam-Assumtion from Sportbet case (in every casino) they're doing the same things. But most of activity is always:
- Arbitrage
- Match fixing
- Avoiding limit betting (multi account)
- Some other reason

If the betting style, are mostly just 1x2 like in Premieurs League, I doubt is getting a problem.

At least BK8 having a good gesture to refund the initial deposit, since you taken advantage by multi account to take a bonus. Take a looks in other casino, most the case your account will be blocked without being refund. What's I can see, especially on gambling in every casino always sportbet user getting some problem rarely (Slot, Casino) having a problem.

[JollyGood]

If BK8 do not have a problem with you sharing the information with a DT member then they really should have no problem listing the same information to send to the OP. Keeping that aside, according to the OP he wants to receive the money he feels he is owed ($1140) therefore it is not exactly a small amount. In order for him to find closure, BK8 should have settled the matter long before the OP brought it here.

No matter how this matter moves forward it is clear BK8 will not change their mind therefore the OP does seem to be wasting his time.

Once you agreed with the name of the DT, I'll ask BK8 if they're ok with me sharing what they shared to me to them. With that permission from BK8, I'll reach each of the DT and ask their willingness to help validate the data provided, and see what their verdicts are.

[mu_enrico]

So umm... like before, their rep sent me supporting evidences to their findings. I don't think I am allowed to share details of what that findings are, so I can only hope that my statement is acceptable at face value that I've see what they shared to me and have to say that even for my eyes, it's very clear case of multi-acc.

if you take on the function of an arbitrator, making such a decision, you must listen to both sides. Also, I must confirm or deny the words of the representative of bk8! Please contact me in private messages

Dude, he's just doing this "charity work" for the sake of the community. He's not an arbitrator or whatever that you must pay to do the work and he's not obliged to do anything for you.
When two parties said that you're multi-accounting, i.e., @BK8 official and @holydarkness, I guess this case is closed since these members have a proven track record.
And don't trust any other parties that said they can help you get your money back. You'll get scammed for real.

Don't waste any more of our time.

[holydarkness]

I invited you without knowing anything about you, but I saw the table with public cases that you keep. By the way, I would really like my case to appear there too.
As for these names, I know nothing about them. Let it be - yahoo62278

It will be updated as soon as I have free time at hand. And when it is updated, you can rest assured that your case [as well as each and every cases] will be there. I just can't right now.

Normally, on a weekend, either on Saturday or Sunday, I do a sweep through scam accusations board to see if there is a thread or two that I didn't oversee [thus was not added to the list, as I am not aware of them], update status of cases [from "in progress" to "resolved", or to "unresolved"] or made follow ups with cases that's been dormant for a while, to make sure everything works smoothly.

This past few weeks though, my weekends are crazy. And not exaggerating. Just today, for example, I have to leave home and drive when the sky is literally still dark, couple hours before dawn, with almost nonexistent sleep the "night before", and I just home few minutes ago.

I still have to handle my IRL issues as they're not attended the entire day today. So yeah, I am quite sure I still can't update my list [again] this weekend. But rest assured that it will be updated... you know what, since you're adamant that your case being on the list, I'll add them right now and do updates for other entries later when I have free time at hand.

I would really like to get an answer from you in private messages at least once. Because I have already written 3 letters and I do not know if they reach you. While we are playing "guess what needs to be proven", I will at least try...

A bit redundant and no brainer, no? Me writing here, mentioning about your PM and addressing several matters that you pointed out on that PM kinda make it crystal clear that I do get your PM. How else would I know what you wrote there if they didn't reach me? But again, sure, let me made a reply to make it diamond clear that I get it.

Now let's talk about the process.
Anything starts with someone having some claims and these claims have grounds. I have my own view of the case and it is also private. I do not want to talk about every action I take in order to guess for what reason the bookmaker decided not to pay me! And I hope you clearly distinguish between objective reasons and subjective ones!

Your PM kinda describe in extensive manner of your objective and subjective reasons. And though I'll address that in PM just to make that diamond clarity that I get the PM, I'll say and address it here that your explanation on PM sadly didn't touch what they provided to me.

You're guessing how they tied you to multi-acc through... IP address, passport, payment method, and others. What they show me, though, is something else, yet clearly connect many accounts.

If BK8 do not have a problem with you sharing the information with a DT member then they really should have no problem listing the same information to send to the OP. Keeping that aside, according to the OP he wants to receive the money he feels he is owed ($1140) therefore it is not exactly a small amount. In order for him to find closure, BK8 should have settled the matter long before the OP brought it here.

No matter how this matter moves forward it is clear BK8 will not change their mind therefore the OP does seem to be wasting his time.

Once you agreed with the name of the DT, I'll ask BK8 if they're ok with me sharing what they shared to me to them. With that permission from BK8, I'll reach each of the DT and ask their willingness to help validate the data provided, and see what their verdicts are.

I am not trying to see myself as highly like someone that BK8 trusted so much that they choose to share what should be otherwise private on both occasions [the past case and this one], but I am very sure they will have problem listing the same information to OP.

Remember those "excuses" that casino gave whenever they detect multi-acc? The ones that many sceptic will say it's an invented rebuttal and they should at least give something to substantiate their claim? Yeah, I saw it, and I can say in confident that once multi-acc abuser [at least particularly who uses this kind of method] saw it, they'll learn how to avoid detection.

So, sorry, but I don't think BK8 will not have a problem sharing with OP. Otherwise, they'll already share it here instead of privately to me through PM.

[JollyGood]

I agree, if BK8 were ever going to share detailed information with the OP it would have already happened. I am not implying it happened in this case but I am in zero doubt casinos and exchanges cite every excuse under the sun when they decide to selectively scam their users. The terms and conditions the OP agreed to when he signed up to use the BK8 website means there is not much he can do even if he continues to maintain his innocence.

So, sorry, but I don't think BK8 will not have a problem sharing with OP. Otherwise, they'll already share it here instead of privately to me through PM.

[yahoo62278]

OP while I don't 100% agree with all practices that casinos exercise when it comes to KYC, cheaters, closing accounts, or whatever I do agree that if holydarkness was shown evidence of you being caught multi accounting he is not just going to say you are multi accounting for fun. He was shown proof and he agrees with the proof. If the casino has it in their ToS(terms of service) that multi accounting is illegal and you can lose your money, then BK8 is within their rights to take your money. It sucks, but you are the 1 trying to deceive the casino and are lucky the were willing to refund 1 deposit.

Holydarkness gets 0 from helping out , at least it's 0 to my knowledge. There has been 1 case in my 10 years on this forum where a user gave a reward for people helping out with his case, but most of the time it's just a user trying to help another user and the user who is helping is not on either side. Holydarkness has not always sided with the casino, nor always sided with the user. No matter if you agree with it or not, you basically have been caught.

You can try your luck with askgamblers or casinoguru, but likely they will side with the casino as well. Sorry for giving bad news but looks like the casino is correct. I have not been shown proof, just giving holydarkness the benefit of doubt.

[holydarkness]

OP while I don't 100% agree with all practices that casinos exercise when it comes to KYC, cheaters, closing accounts, or whatever I do agree that if holydarkness was shown evidence of you being caught multi accounting he is not just going to say you are multi accounting for fun. He was shown proof and he agrees with the proof. If the casino has it in their ToS(terms of service) that multi accounting is illegal and you can lose your money, then BK8 is within their rights to take your money. It sucks, but you are the 1 trying to deceive the casino and are lucky the were willing to refund 1 deposit.

Holydarkness gets 0 from helping out , at least it's 0 to my knowledge. There has been 1 case in my 10 years on this forum where a user gave a reward for people helping out with his case, but most of the time it's just a user trying to help another user and the user who is helping is not on either side. Holydarkness has not always sided with the casino, nor always sided with the user. No matter if you agree with it or not, you basically have been caught.

You can try your luck with askgamblers or casinoguru, but likely they will side with the casino as well. Sorry for giving bad news but looks like the casino is correct. I have not been shown proof, just giving holydarkness the benefit of doubt.

Umm... may I infer that suppose BK8's rep agreed and allowed me to share their supporting evidence to you, you'll help give a second opinion regarding this situation?

OP, that question above also require your approval. Suppose everything works smoothly and both BK8 allows me to share and yahoo accepted the burden to validating the proof, will that be enough?

[yahoo62278]

OP while I don't 100% agree with all practices that casinos exercise when it comes to KYC, cheaters, closing accounts, or whatever I do agree that if holydarkness was shown evidence of you being caught multi accounting he is not just going to say you are multi accounting for fun. He was shown proof and he agrees with the proof. If the casino has it in their ToS(terms of service) that multi accounting is illegal and you can lose your money, then BK8 is within their rights to take your money. It sucks, but you are the 1 trying to deceive the casino and are lucky the were willing to refund 1 deposit.

Holydarkness gets 0 from helping out , at least it's 0 to my knowledge. There has been 1 case in my 10 years on this forum where a user gave a reward for people helping out with his case, but most of the time it's just a user trying to help another user and the user who is helping is not on either side. Holydarkness has not always sided with the casino, nor always sided with the user. No matter if you agree with it or not, you basically have been caught.

You can try your luck with askgamblers or casinoguru, but likely they will side with the casino as well. Sorry for giving bad news but looks like the casino is correct. I have not been shown proof, just giving holydarkness the benefit of doubt.

Umm... may I infer that suppose BK8's rep agreed and allowed me to share their supporting evidence to you, you'll help give a second opinion regarding this situation?

OP, that question above also require your approval. Suppose everything works smoothly and both BK8 allows me to share and yahoo accepted the burden to validating the proof, will that be enough?

The issue I am seeing is the fact that unless my opinion agrees with the OP, he will find something wrong with my judgement as well. The site already made their decision, they shared their findings with you, and the OP does not agree. Another opinion will not help IMO, he will just want the info shared with him and want to dispute it and pray he gets his money.

Waste of time to put anymore effort into this.

[holydarkness]

Hmm... though all things point to that direction right now, I somehow tempted to try to get into a yet another perspective, spin it again and see if I can get a better logic that works as a middle ground from both parties.

OP, with reference to the evidence you shared to me through PM, do you mind to take us way back to memory lane on the first time you created your account? How do you find BK8? Where do you heard them from? Why them while we have bigger casinos? And all that you can think of about the first time you brushed with the casino.

[JollyGood]

As harsh as it might sound to the OP, this is basically the same point of view I have on this matter.

I am no expert on this matter but from the perspective of an outsider looking in, I have to concur because the moment you conclude something the OP dos not agree with the whole exercise will (most probably) be called in to question. Furthermore, if any information that was passed along in good faith were to fall in to the hands of the OP then the process of dispute would continue in the hope his contention will result in a payout.

What cannot be contested are the terms and conditions the OP willingly signed up to. If he were not happy with what might happen if he were caught breaking the rules (or if he were rightly/wrongly accused of breaking them) then he should never have signed up. That is how it works in most cases when it comes to casinos presenting their case when they are accused of scamming.

The issue I am seeing is the fact that unless my opinion agrees with the OP, he will find something wrong with my judgement as well. The site already made their decision, they shared their findings with you, and the OP does not agree. Another opinion will not help IMO, he will just want the info shared with him and want to dispute it and pray he gets his money.

Waste of time to put anymore effort into this.

[yahoo62278]

Hmm... though all things point to that direction right now, I somehow tempted to try to get into a yet another perspective, spin it again and see if I can get a better logic that works as a middle ground from both parties.

OP, with reference to the evidence you shared to me through PM, do you mind to take us way back to memory lane on the first time you created your account? How do you find BK8? Where do you heard them from? Why them while we have bigger casinos? And all that you can think of about the first time you brushed with the casino.

I'm willing to take a look and give my opinion, but I just don't think it will be what ends the conversation unless I say I think the OP deserves all his money. He is willing to not be a winner and that IMO says all that needs to be said. If I was a legit winning player on a platform and they called me a multi account or any other terminology they may use, I would not accept my deposit back period. I would take my argument and proof to wherever I could and never back down. I want my win and I want that platform to be punished in some way for trying to rip me off. Those that just want their money back know they were in the wrong.

[holydarkness]

Hmm... though all things point to that direction right now, I somehow tempted to try to get into a yet another perspective, spin it again and see if I can get a better logic that works as a middle ground from both parties.

OP, with reference to the evidence you shared to me through PM, do you mind to take us way back to memory lane on the first time you created your account? How do you find BK8? Where do you heard them from? Why them while we have bigger casinos? And all that you can think of about the first time you brushed with the casino.

I'm willing to take a look and give my opinion, but I just don't think it will be what ends the conversation unless I say I think the OP deserves all his money. He is willing to not be a winner and that IMO says all that needs to be said. If I was a legit winning player on a platform and they called me a multi account or any other terminology they may use, I would not accept my deposit back period. I would take my argument and proof to wherever I could and never back down. I want my win and I want that platform to be punished in some way for trying to rip me off. Those that just want their money back know they were in the wrong.

I've asked BK8 if they wouldn't mind sharing what they gave me to other entities, for the sake of having a more solid conclusion. I'll provide that once they gave me their agreement. Thank you for your willingness to help.


To make it clear we will not just walking in circles, OP, suppose Yahoo's opinion lead to a same conclusion as I did once he saw the evidence provided by BK8. You'll agree to accept that the findings are valid and the casino has acted accordingly, and they are not trying to scam you. Thus, this case can be marked as resolved?

[kulipola-best]

If people like holydarkness and yahoo62278 say that the presented evidence is enough to recognize my account as a multi-account, then the case can be considered closed. And not even because I agree with this decision, but because the whole point of this process is to get a condemnation of BK8 from the forum. I have long since come to terms with the loss of my money.

However, what kind of evidence is this, after presenting which you are still not sure??? If several accounts were registered with the same passport data, you would immediately write that the evidence is indisputable and this is 100% a multi-account. However, even in this case, the bookmaker was obliged to do a KYC check and, after comparing the photos, establish that the data of both accounts was not stolen. For example, if I worked in a travel agency, I would have a huge number of documents. This means that the bookmaker's check should include not just a photo of the passport, but, for example, a photo of the passport against the background of the casino. And here are two options, if in the first case the player provided such photos, and in the second case not, it means that the second stole the data and cannot influence the account of the first. but why am I sure that most of you will defend the casino in this case and even if the money is stolen from both accounts?!
And why did I write all this, I wrote this so that if bk8 receives evidence that two photos belong to one person and showed them holydarknessand yahoo62278, first you have to show me these photos so that I can confirm that it is me in these photos !!!!!!!! You are discussing evidence without my participation !!! How can you even understand that what you were given is related to my account
If the casino is initially a fraudster, then they could have given you any convenient evidence in private mode !!! I would really like you to at least somehow try to discuss the evidence presented with me!

Yes, holydarkness, in a private message I tried to explain to you what objective evidence and subjective evidence are. And the fact that you are still not sure indicates that all this is subjective evidence! And why do super-rich structures have grounds to steal money from accounts based on subjective evidence?
Once again one of you poking me with bookmaker rules that I agreed with. So that you understand, almost every bookmaker has such a clause in the rules - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - I have a question for you all - what rating will the casino have if again and again you will complain that their bets are cancelled??? bookmaker rules are not a law! and cannot be a basis for stealing money. and certainly should not affect the forum rating.

We all have some understanding of fair play in our heads, and most likely it is very different for each of us. But I am sure that such a rule - "if the casino, at its own discretion, considers that the player has won unfairly, then his bet can be cancelled without any evidence" - should not have the right to be in the casino rules at all!!!
Just like the licensing authorities of Curacao, who are busy with only one task - getting money for the issued licenses, and not protecting players who have suffered from scammers with their license.
I believe that the world justice against bookmakers is so helpless that right now thousands of sites with a Curacao license have appeared. My opinion is that casinos should not be allowed to have any "their own rules" at all, if you obey the license, then only these rules should be and no others! *** by the way, if there are lawyers among us, but it seems that this is actually the case!!! Casinos cannot apply their rules because they are not a law! Today they can steal a player's winnings, but they have no right to steal a player's deposit***

Most likely, you will tell me that this is not right, that bookmakers also suffer from scammers, etc. I will answer you - Bookmakers and Casinos must become stronger! If there is any way to deceive a Casino, then the Casino itself must find this function and fix it! Thus, it becomes a Casino that cannot be deceived!!! And when you are now trying to prove to me that I myself am the winner, although there is no clear evidence and they still steal my money, you still say that these are the rules...
It bothers me even more how users with a great reputation came up with the idea that betting on arbitrage is unfair play!!! How did you all suddenly turn your heads like that??? Any bet that a bookmaker accepts is beneficial to him in his specific situation! But refusing to pay the bet in case of a win - that is not fair play!!! I have already written about fraud with the rules. Now I will tell you about fraud with arbitrage bets: tennis final and the bookmaker lowers the odds of one by 20% and raises the other by 20% respectively. It turns out that all bets on one shoulder become super-profitable, and bets on the second shoulder are arbitrage!!!! For some bets we collect super-profits, and for others we cancel the bet, because it was arbitrage. As proof, we provide graphs displaying all the odds for this market. Who will argue??? or become a semi-fraudster and recalculate at the best odds??? But each of you will support the casino in such actions, you will 100% do it! So why does the program so quickly find players who bet on arbitrage situations, instead of correcting these situations and making such bets impossible??? by the way if the arbitrage leverage loses, you will never get a bet cancellation, because it was made on an arbitrage situation!!! it will be silence on the part of the bookmaker. And in this case we get that the bookmaker will use fraud only when it is profitable for him!

I want this forum and you not to work for bookmakers because of their stars in the rating! So that the casinos become stronger and work honestly! So that you don't write to me that why am I wasting my time if the casino has already written to you that the decision has been made and you won't get the money.

Just put my case in the table holydarkness , and let people see that the bookmaker had no direct evidence of violations and he still stole my deposit and winnings!

Any casino should become stronger and should not have the right to cancel bets. If this is not possible, then close your casino. There are too many non-professionals now who earn money through deception and provocation, but most likely it is not a matter of professionalism, they were created only because such fraud is possible.

[Thuytrang1987]

You didnt read my topic. I warning about this fucking this.
BK8 is big scam. Same you. They locked my account and stolent my money 3500$.
Stay away this scam site.

[Thuytrang1987]

Hmm... though all things point to that direction right now, I somehow tempted to try to get into a yet another perspective, spin it again and see if I can get a better logic that works as a middle ground from both parties.

OP, with reference to the evidence you shared to me through PM, do you mind to take us way back to memory lane on the first time you created your account? How do you find BK8? Where do you heard them from? Why them while we have bigger casinos? And all that you can think of about the first time you brushed with the casino.

I'm willing to take a look and give my opinion, but I just don't think it will be what ends the conversation unless I say I think the OP deserves all his money. He is willing to not be a winner and that IMO says all that needs to be said. If I was a legit winning player on a platform and they called me a multi account or any other terminology they may use, I would not accept my deposit back period. I would take my argument and proof to wherever I could and never back down. I want my win and I want that platform to be punished in some way for trying to rip me off. Those that just want their money back know they were in the wrong.

I've asked BK8 if they wouldn't mind sharing what they gave me to other entities, for the sake of having a more solid conclusion. I'll provide that once they gave me their agreement. Thank you for your willingness to help.


To make it clear we will not just walking in circles, OP, suppose Yahoo's opinion lead to a same conclusion as I did once he saw the evidence provided by BK8. You'll agree to accept that the findings are valid and the casino has acted accordingly, and they are not trying to scam you. Thus, this case can be marked as resolved?

See bro. BK8 really a scam site. . Will have many players same us

[holydarkness]

[A wall of text]

I read your post three times, and I still failed to see the exact point you're trying to say. You're mixing what people said with what I said. I don't think I ever said about arbitrage betting, the bookies decision and rules, passport, and whatever else, so I am not sure why are they brought to the table.

Talking about table and case, your request to bring the evidence to the table, again, I can't, for the reason I've previously mentioned. And about me and that, "I want this forum and you not to work for bookmakers because of their stars in the rating! ", well, I can assure you that I stand on neutral ground. There is no benefit I get from the casino or the player for each and every cases. When a case is closed and marked as resolved, they'll give their thanks at best, and I'll move on to other case.

But if you're so sure that I am biased and taking side, then I am afraid what yahoo said is true, about how unless one's opinion agrees with you, you will find something wrong with the judgement. And from this point on, any further discussion is indeed meaningless.

Oh, to clarify one thing, about passport. What you propose [while I am still not sure why it even brought and mentioned here] is not feasible. Just because someone work in a travel agency or immigration office or other places with lots of passport come and go through their hand on daily basis, the person can't just snatch one passport and use that for KYC purpose, stealing identity.

Casinos don't even need to have the person to take a photo against the background of the casino. Why? Because KYC process will require the player to take a selfie while holding the ID next to them. With this, surely I don't need to explain why stealing ID when you're working in travel agency will not work.

Last, PM, for that particular message, unfortunately I have to explain it here in the open against your wish to keep it not in the "open mode", in concern that if I address them privately with what I have to say, you'll think my response is a refusal to cooperate and that I am taking favor of the casino.

However my answer to that [other] wall of text is this:

"Unfortunately I can't comment on any of what you inquired, not the one here on the message you sent to me today or the other ones in the future. Because from how I perceive it, especially with what you write in the "open mode" that's awfully looks like you digging for a knowledge how you tripped their alarm and get yourself on this situation, while they [as well as other casinos] send the evidence with for-your-eyes-only basis is to keeping their detection algorithm private is to safeguard their investment in multi-acc detection.

There will be no end to it. If I am being completely honest and say "no, that's not what they show me", you'll propose other thing and I'll say, "nope, not that one either", and you'll propose another until I say, "yes", and you ultimately find how the casino detect multi-acc. Or I'll just keep saying no and you'll reach a point where you'll accuse me of lying [because everything is a "no"] and taking side of the casino. See? Dilemma.

So, to keep it simple, I'll address your inquiry publicly and say that I can't answer that, with a reason that I think you're looking for a way to understand how they detect your activity. Nor will I address any message in the future with same nature.

If you want to discuss other thing like providing your own evidence that you did not multi-acc [not sure what kind of evidence it will be] or other thing besides digging for an info about how they got you on multi-acc, my inbox is open. But if your message is about poking what alarm you triggered, what evidence they showed me of your multi-acc, and other in similar nature, unfortunately I can't answer that.

Those said, I can answer to the very last part of your PM, and I'll address that through my reply in PM."

[kulipola-best]

there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?

I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

[yahoo62278]

there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?

I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

I'll start with your questions. I cannot comment on something I have not been shown to this point. Maybe BK8 hasn't been online since they sent holydarkness the info, or maybe they don't want multiple eyes on the info, or maybe maybe maybe. Who knows the reason, but to this point I have not been made aware of what was sent.

I think you're missing the point of what's being said in the last couple messages. No matter if you guess correctly or incorrectly, you will not be given a hint as to how you were detected by the casino. You were flagged for whatever reason and evidence was provided to a mediator so to speak. They didn't just pick you because you may have won a few bucks, they stand to lose a lot more than what you won if they operate in a shady manner.

The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

[kulipola-best]

there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?

I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

I'll start with your questions. I cannot comment on something I have not been shown to this point. Maybe BK8 hasn't been online since they sent holydarkness the info, or maybe they don't want multiple eyes on the info, or maybe maybe maybe. Who knows the reason, but to this point I have not been made aware of what was sent.

I think you're missing the point of what's being said in the last couple messages. No matter if you guess correctly or incorrectly, you will not be given a hint as to how you were detected by the casino. You were flagged for whatever reason and evidence was provided to a mediator so to speak. They didn't just pick you because you may have won a few bucks, they stand to lose a lot more than what you won if they operate in a shady manner.

The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

Apparently you didn't get the gist of it.
1. The bookmaker is a scammer
2. The evidence presented has nothing to do with me! It's fake!

However, for some reason you take his side without even trying to check it...

[yahoo62278]

there is no dilemma here.
You have evidence in your hands that I know nothing about. Most likely, it has nothing to do with me at all and is fake.
Although no, I know that it is extremely subjective, because you give me a chance to challenge it.
So what happens? I will be recognized as a multi-account if I don't guess!
And what should I guess?

I probably need to close the topic with the last message - DIDN'T GUESS WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.

And don't you think that if I guess your evidence, then this will indicate my connection with other accounts? Because it is simply impossible to guess?!
This can be compared to the ancient Enquisition, when a witch was thrown tied up into a river and if she drowned, then she was innocent, and if she floated, then she was a witch. In any case, the person had no chance to survive.

I don't understand one thing:
1. Will yahoo62278  comment on the bookmaker's evidence? Or holydarkness  prohibited from passing this on to yahoo62278 ?
2. Will you try to verify in any way that the bookmaker's evidence has any bearing on me? Why can you even accept his comments as truth?

I'll start with your questions. I cannot comment on something I have not been shown to this point. Maybe BK8 hasn't been online since they sent holydarkness the info, or maybe they don't want multiple eyes on the info, or maybe maybe maybe. Who knows the reason, but to this point I have not been made aware of what was sent.

I think you're missing the point of what's being said in the last couple messages. No matter if you guess correctly or incorrectly, you will not be given a hint as to how you were detected by the casino. You were flagged for whatever reason and evidence was provided to a mediator so to speak. They didn't just pick you because you may have won a few bucks, they stand to lose a lot more than what you won if they operate in a shady manner.

The main reason you will not be shown the evidence is so they do not educate you on how to cheat them later. Even if you open a case with casinoguru or askgambler, you will not be shown the information. 100% guaranteed.

Apparently you didn't get the gist of it.
1. The bookmaker is a scammer
2. The evidence presented has nothing to do with me! It's fake!

However, for some reason you take his side without even trying to check it...

I am not taking sides period. I could care less about BK8 or you for that matter. I just know that the way you act you will not accept anything except people agreeing with you!!!

Upon further consideration and this users replies, I refuse to be a part of this any longer. This is just a waste of everyone's time. Let him be disappointed by an outside mediator.