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December 21, 2011, 10:02:40 AM
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Personally, I don't mind any of the three options. I was already at the London Bitcoin Meetup as well as in Prague. I've been to Berlin before on other occasions and I'm also fluent in English, German and Czech Wink.

Maybe if I find enough time I might be able to have a presentation too, about economics of Bitcoin, I've been researching it intensively.
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December 21, 2011, 11:56:59 AM
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London may be better because of more popular language used there.

Wow, you are planning new conference already :)

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December 21, 2011, 12:15:43 PM
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London may be better because of more popular language used there.

Wow, you are planning new conference already Smiley

It's not like you'd had to be able to speak Czech to attend the conference in Prague Wink

One fact I liked about Prague was that pretty much everyone had to exchange some money for CSK - which illustrated one of the great advantages of Bitcoin. This would actually be an argument for London over Berlin...

I'm looking forward to the day where we don't need to have local fiat money in order to attend a Bitcoin conference.
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December 21, 2011, 12:29:40 PM
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Yankee has very kindly spoke on my behalf in saying London would be easier for myself to get to and i'll back that up.

Having put my bias in writing, London is indeed a much greater financial centre than berlin, not to mention the lack of language barriers etc.
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December 21, 2011, 01:50:15 PM
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London may be better because of more popular language used there.
berlin is full of younger people, many from abroad. all of them speak english. at least, you won't be lost ... Smiley

edit: PS: and for me as a non native speaker, i sometimes have real problems understanding british native speaker. the simpler humble international english is much easier to understand.
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December 21, 2011, 03:04:21 PM
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Having put my bias in writing, London is indeed a much greater financial centre than berlin, not to mention the lack of language barriers etc.

Gareth's right, London is a much bigger financial hub then Berlin is.

I can make some great investor and banker meetings in London as well as get some good speakers in the financial industry to come down.

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December 21, 2011, 03:28:57 PM
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London - it's the Olympics 2012, it will be buzzing (or if it comes after then just picking up the litter)
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December 21, 2011, 03:36:16 PM
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Berlin has without doubt  by far the largest Bitcoin community in Europe. Alone because of the potential participiants who live here it would make absolute sense to choose Berlin.

Berlin is dead cheap, London is bloody expensive (I've just been there again last week and couldn't believe my restaurant bills Wink). This accounts for accomodation, cabs, food, drinks, conference space ... not to mention cigarettes  Cry!

Berlin already has some real world Bitcoin business going on. BTC-payment is already established at a couple of places, including the local hackspace (C-base), one or another bar / restaurant and even a (gay) sauna club, so one can actually go out and eat and drink for Bitcoins. If things go right there will be an actual "Bitcoin-Kiez*" established in a couple of months, meaning an area where many bars and shops accept BTC so you can go out shopping for BTC as well. An upcomming international BTC-conference would support this effort and the local Bitcoin-Kiez* would be a great experience for participants and would also be a great demonstration for the media and show that there are other things than drugs and porn available for BTC and that it actually works and is being used by someone. London on the other hand is a desert when it comes to BTC-retail (zero businesses as of last week as far as I could find out).

Regarding media-contacts: we do have them here too and please consider that the only journalist who showed up in Prague came from Berlin, which resulted in a rather big article in the biggest-selling German magazine. Media interest here is increasing (I alone know of more coverage comming up beginning of the new year) and a BTC-conference in Berlin would have full attention of the media and definately get quite some coverage.

Yes, London is the biggest banking-place in Europe but that is the kind of banking where BTC precisely does not want to go.

Last but not least:
Berlin will still be part of Europe next year, the Londoners are not so sure about that (sorry, could not resist  Wink).

I'd say first we take Berlin!

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December 21, 2011, 03:47:28 PM
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Having put my bias in writing, London is indeed a much greater financial centre than berlin, not to mention the lack of language barriers etc.

Gareth's right, London is a much bigger financial hub then Berlin is.

I can make some great investor and banker meetings in London as well as get some good speakers in the financial industry to come down.

-C

The biggest dissappointments in Prague were the speakers from the financial industry. Well, besides the lawyer.

I think Bitcoin needs enthusiasts, developers, coders, merchants and creative people to succeed further, not precisely bankers.

To be honest, I believe the longer it takes for the banks to be fully aware of crypto currencies, the better for Bitcoin. What advantage do you exactly see in people from the old financial world getting involved and what could they tell us that would be interesting for the BTC-community?

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December 21, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
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Having put my bias in writing, London is indeed a much greater financial centre than berlin, not to mention the lack of language barriers etc.

Gareth's right, London is a much bigger financial hub then Berlin is.

I can make some great investor and banker meetings in London as well as get some good speakers in the financial industry to come down.

-C

The biggest dissappointments in Prague were the speakers from the financial industry. Well, besides the lawyer.

I think Bitcoin needs enthusiasts, developers, coders, merchants and creative people to succeed further, not precisely bankers.

To be honest, I believe the longer it takes for the banks to be fully aware of crypto currencies, the better for Bitcoin. What advantage do you exactly see in people from the old financial world getting involved and what could they tell us that would be interesting for the BTC-community?

Joe


I agree. Berlin or London either is fine.

We should be focusing on the conference, not the location!

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December 21, 2011, 04:47:51 PM
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Berlin is more easily accessible than London for non-EU citizens like me. My French titre de séjour grants me passage through Germany and the entire Schengen zone, but not UK. I would need to go through immigration, and others may even need visas, which are a big barrier IMHO.

I haven't read all the argumentation for both cities, but you should pay attention on costs. I found it really cool that we could stay on that nice hotel for that price. I don't expect the same level of prices neither in London nor in Berlin, but if Berlin is indeed cheaper than London, I'd say that's another strong point in favor of Berlin.

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December 21, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
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I vote for Berlin (very pleasant city with friendly people).
Plus I understand from Rick Falkvinge that the Pirate Pirate made close to 10% on local elections recently.

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December 21, 2011, 09:27:44 PM
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I voted for Berlin, because of prices. And I can even come on bike :-). But I'll attend in London as well, of course.

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December 21, 2011, 09:33:21 PM
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I voted for Berlin, because of prices. And I can even come on bike :-). But I'll attend in London as well, of course.

Berlin is awesome, let's do it there.

Anyone have any idea on dates?


I wanna be more involved in this one, especially on the tech side. I'll even volunteer to video every speech, keynote and session in HD and upload it to our blog every night.
If someone is a good writer, we can work together and do some sort of commentary.

I can probably figure out a way to Livestream it as well, as long as the venue has decent internet speeds.

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December 21, 2011, 11:18:21 PM
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London for me Smiley
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December 21, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
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Berlin is awesome, let's do it there.

Anyone have any idea on dates?

We were talking about that here and we thought that end of september would be a good time, as there is still some nice weather and warm evenings to stay outdoors after spending a day in an air-conditioned conference hall.


I wanna be more involved in this one, especially on the tech side. I'll even volunteer to video every speech, keynote and session in HD and upload it to our blog every night.
If someone is a good writer, we can work together and do some sort of commentary.

I can probably figure out a way to Livestream it as well, as long as the venue has decent internet speeds.


If it happens in Berlin you can be sure someone will come back to your offer Wink. I would volunteer for the commentary writing, but not alone, as you have to really stay concentrated listening to a lecture if you want to write a useful comment right after that in 5 mins.

The conference venues in Berlin do all have sufficient and stable internet connectivity, other than in Prague where that part sucked. So do the hackspaces and bars / restaurants that would come into question. They're all used to hoards of nerds flooding their places at Chaos Congresses or other geek events taking place here Smiley.

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December 22, 2011, 03:44:53 AM
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Berlin is awesome, let's do it there.

Anyone have any idea on dates?

We were talking about that here and we thought that end of september would be a good time, as there is still some nice weather and warm evenings to stay outdoors after spending a day in an air-conditioned conference hall.


I wanna be more involved in this one, especially on the tech side. I'll even volunteer to video every speech, keynote and session in HD and upload it to our blog every night.
If someone is a good writer, we can work together and do some sort of commentary.

I can probably figure out a way to Livestream it as well, as long as the venue has decent internet speeds.


If it happens in Berlin you can be sure someone will come back to your offer Wink. I would volunteer for the commentary writing, but not alone, as you have to really stay concentrated listening to a lecture if you want to write a useful comment right after that in 5 mins.

The conference venues in Berlin do all have sufficient and stable internet connectivity, other than in Prague where that part sucked. So do the hackspaces and bars / restaurants that would come into question. They're all used to hoards of nerds flooding their places at Chaos Congresses or other geek events taking place here Smiley.

Joe


Excellent excellent excellent!! Please keep me in the loop!

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December 22, 2011, 04:27:54 AM
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I want Washington DC
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December 22, 2011, 07:45:13 AM
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Hong Kong would be nice too. Sadly it's not quite in Europe.

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