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January 25, 2025, 09:36:32 PM
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Gambling is not scam but casinos can be scam, these 2 are different so we cant say gambling as scam because the meaning of gambling is risking money for more money.
If we have accepted this meaning then we should aware that there are always 2 possible outcomes (winning and losing).
On the other place, casinos which are place for us for gambling activities can be scam such as not paying winning or even manipulating game.
You are right because it is only done by some irresponsible casinos and they keep the trust of the users by cheating their customers but not giving the real essence that gambling is a fraud. We must realize that every time we bet there must be a time when we win or lose and no one can avoid losing in gambling because we are not always lucky. Casinos are a place for us to bet and now there are many casinos that may provide bets according to the sports we like but for those who maintain their reputation will never cheat because maintaining the reputation of the casino is not easy.

Said in this context it maybe true. However there is much more to the story which will lead us to the conclusion that in the end gambling is a scam. I agree that casinos are a place for us to place bets but they are already set up to make sure that they will be in profit in the long run thanks to such thing called RTP and this is what confuses most people, they think that since RTP is 95% if they place a 100 dollars bet they should get back 95 dollars, it takes millions or even billions of spins before the RTP kicks in.


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January 25, 2025, 10:12:14 PM
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Hi guys let have your view on this questions because only real gamblers will understand what I mean?
Is Gambling with your hard earned money Worth it because I have come to the conclusion that gambling is a scam

Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 

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January 25, 2025, 10:30:06 PM
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Hi guys let have your view on this questions because only real gamblers will understand what I mean?
Is Gambling with your hard earned money Worth it because I have come to the conclusion that gambling is a scam

Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 
Not paying gambling site or casino does not the only matte that tell a caino is not a scam. Too many factors actually especially the transparency of provably fair — this is very important for all casino games, the KYC terms — too many documents being asked, high withdrawal fees — any casino who asked higher feed for withdrawals should be considered as scam, etc. Some casino have this kind of behaviour and they should be avoided by users here.

 
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January 25, 2025, 10:35:44 PM
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Hi guys let have your view on this questions because only real gamblers will understand what I mean?
Is Gambling with your hard earned money Worth it because I have come to the conclusion that gambling is a scam

Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 

This is the easiest answer to the question. But there is another approach that assumes that gambling is nothing more than a scam scheme since the house is the permanent winner according to all methods, including the online casino algorithms. If only a certain small percentage of deposits are distributed as winnings and the rest goes to the casino’s wallet, then there is a reading that can be classified as gambling according to this basis. This does not apply to social gambling such as poker or card games where the competition is between people only and the house is not a party to them.

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January 25, 2025, 10:53:49 PM
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Hi guys let have your view on this questions because only real gamblers will understand what I mean?
Is Gambling with your hard earned money Worth it because I have come to the conclusion that gambling is a scam

Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 

Well yes that's right that's the point my friend, what I mean is the only reason that can be said to be reasonable for the assumption of fraud is when the casino does not pay the winnings you get, that's all, because if we talk about why you lost at the end of the session then actually it is not something that should be questioned because from the start it is clear that gambling is about two things, namely winning or losing, in the sense that when you don't win it means you lose and when you lose it means you are unlucky, there is nothing that can be used as an excuse about why you lost, as you said that gambling is more about risk and not fraud, everything is clear from the start, so I think it really doesn't make sense if for example you assume that you have been cheated just because you lost, unless for example the object of the problem is not about winning and losing
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January 25, 2025, 11:24:04 PM
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ou can not blame some people when they come of with this kind of misconception about gambling, what must have caused it is how they got into gambling. Some people knew about gambling from some misleading social media ads where they believed that they can abruptly become rich by winning constantly from gambling. While some people saw the winning streak of other and thought of it as a sure way to win too without really having the idea of what gambling is all about.

It is correct that a gambling site is not a scam and/or gambling is not a scam but the user might be scammed as they might be redirected from another website and they might be scammed by the re-directed website which they might be scammed and or the part of the scam. Or the site which the user use might be the scammers but gambling is not a scaam.

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January 25, 2025, 11:35:52 PM
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ou can not blame some people when they come of with this kind of misconception about gambling, what must have caused it is how they got into gambling. Some people knew about gambling from some misleading social media ads where they believed that they can abruptly become rich by winning constantly from gambling. While some people saw the winning streak of other and thought of it as a sure way to win too without really having the idea of what gambling is all about.

It is correct that a gambling site is not a scam and/or gambling is not a scam but the user might be scammed as they might be redirected from another website and they might be scammed by the re-directed website which they might be scammed and or the part of the scam. Or the site which the user use might be the scammers but gambling is not a scaam.
some gambling websites can be scam gambling platform such as 1xbit, during the stays of 1xbit in this community many people lay allegations about them concerning scam, so I believe that what makes people to do such is because they're are scam gambling websites, what we will say is that not all gambling websites can be a scam, but I'm convinced that some gambling platform the objective why they're been established is to extort funds from gambling players, so I think is obvious, in aspects of what you said concerning redirect a websites, yes, someone can be scammed through that...and it's good to make your findings with some of the gambling platform s before you place your bet.

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January 26, 2025, 01:08:56 AM
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ou can not blame some people when they come of with this kind of misconception about gambling, what must have caused it is how they got into gambling. Some people knew about gambling from some misleading social media ads where they believed that they can abruptly become rich by winning constantly from gambling. While some people saw the winning streak of other and thought of it as a sure way to win too without really having the idea of what gambling is all about.

It is correct that a gambling site is not a scam and/or gambling is not a scam but the user might be scammed as they might be redirected from another website and they might be scammed by the re-directed website which they might be scammed and or the part of the scam. Or the site which the user use might be the scammers but gambling is not a scaam.
I want to discuss something more detailed here, if the fraud in question is that they promise their users to win, I don't think that ever happened. Because I saw them using the word "chance" to win, not "certain" to win. And what is called opportunity is something that is uncertain, it could be wrong and it could be right, so the conclusion is that they are not cheating, they are just promoting by playing with words to attract many users. It would be a different story if a site was indeed cheating, so it's not gambling that is a scam, but the site they use cheats by not paying the winnings of users and so on.

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January 26, 2025, 06:21:09 AM
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That frustration leads them to lose more, getting the point of gambling it's more on risk and small part of luck, expect that there are many gamblers that will experienced loses while few might win and change their lifestyle, a reputation is very important as you mentioned it you'll risk more when using unknown casino as you don't have any securities once the casino decided to scam you.
It will be like that if they still chase the win without thinks that gambling is just part of their activity that they don't have to use it too often. They can not accept what happen to them in gambling so that makes them difficult to understand that gambling is not a scam. But if they choose unknown casino without research, their risk to get scam will be bigger because whether if they win or lose, they will get scam without takes too long. So it is why we must research to find the casino and will not consider that gambling is a scam.
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January 26, 2025, 06:46:37 AM
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Said in this context it maybe true. However there is much more to the story which will lead us to the conclusion that in the end gambling is a scam.
I wonder why some of you do not want to face the reality of "gambling" and "scam." These two different contexts will never be the same, no matter how we prove it. First, is scam legal? No. Is Gambling legal? Yes. So why call what's legal, illegal? Also, gambling is a wide concept where a lot of activities could take place, which makes you believe it is a scam. That's why you should know what you are signing for and how shady or advantageous it could be to the house in casino games. If that is not convenient, you can switch entirely to sports betting where bookies do not have more say/edge than you. Or is sports betting still a scam where you and the house have a 50/50 chance? So why conclude it is a scam?

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January 26, 2025, 07:36:26 AM
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ou can not blame some people when they come of with this kind of misconception about gambling, what must have caused it is how they got into gambling. Some people knew about gambling from some misleading social media ads where they believed that they can abruptly become rich by winning constantly from gambling. While some people saw the winning streak of other and thought of it as a sure way to win too without really having the idea of what gambling is all about.

It is correct that a gambling site is not a scam and/or gambling is not a scam but the user might be scammed as they might be redirected from another website and they might be scammed by the re-directed website which they might be scammed and or the part of the scam. Or the site which the user use might be the scammers but gambling is not a scaam.
It is very important for us to make a detailed selection on the site or casino that we will play, because nowadays scam casinos are also starting to look more real with every strategy they make to attract users, in this case we can say that it is not gambling that commits fraud but the casino that actually does it because basically gambling and fraud are two very different things in context, The lack of understanding in gambling actually makes them trapped and also often falls into the circle of fraud when they are too easy to digest every unreasonable offer from scam casinos, so in the end they continue to say gambling is a scam without understanding what mistakes did they make

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January 26, 2025, 03:15:58 PM
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reputable casinos that have built their reputation with great difficulty will only work and make decisions according to the provisions they have implemented. we certainly see some users feel cheated by the casino because the casino takes unpleasant actions on certain users. but they should be aware that there are provisions they violate and of course, all of them are the user's fault, not the casino's.
Sometimes users do not read the Casino rules so they assume that a particular Casino is cheating them even though they themselves have not read the rules before. A casino that has built a very good reputation will definitely never cheat, especially in terms of lying to its users. The possibility that happens as you are talking about because users make mistakes and violate Casino rules so they think the Casino is cheating them. As often happens with some uses that use VPNs which cause their accounts to be suspended or blocked which often happens.

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January 26, 2025, 03:27:07 PM
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Hi guys let have your view on this questions because only real gamblers will understand what I mean?
Is Gambling with your hard earned money Worth it because I have come to the conclusion that gambling is a scam

Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 
Casinos didn't promise you any profit at the end of your bet, but you could be lucky and win your bet or lose bet due to hard luck. You wanted fun and the casino provided that for you. If you become greedy and feel you need money from the casino, you are on your own, because you would be carried away with your greed, and even when you are losing, you will continue chasing your losses. Nobody scammed you.

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January 26, 2025, 03:54:51 PM
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I want to discuss something more detailed here, if the fraud in question is that they promise their users to win, I don't think that ever happened. Because I saw them using the word "chance" to win, not "certain" to win. And what is called opportunity is something that is uncertain, it could be wrong and it could be right, so the conclusion is that they are not cheating, they are just promoting by playing with words to attract many users. It would be a different story if a site was indeed cheating, so it's not gambling that is a scam, but the site they use cheats by not paying the winnings of users and so on.
How can they promise their users a win, it's impossible, they can only promise the best service, a wide variety of games, a large line, fast withdrawals and everything related to the game, but winning is only the player's business. And the scam may consist in the fact that, for example, it is impossible to win in some game, or after winning the casino does not allow the player to withdraw his winnings, that would be fraud.

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January 26, 2025, 04:54:58 PM
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Casinos didn't promise you any profit at the end of your bet, but you could be lucky and win your bet or lose bet due to hard luck. You wanted fun and the casino provided that for you. If you become greedy and feel you need money from the casino, you are on your own, because you would be carried away with your greed, and even when you are losing, you will continue chasing your losses. Nobody scammed you.

I completely agree with you. Casinos never say that we will win in betting. The chances of winning and losing here are 50-50. Many people have won by gambling and many have lost everything. Now if we consider it a scam then it is a scam. Those of us who have lost by gambling in casinos will consider it a scam, that is normal. On the other hand, those of us who have won by gambling will not consider it a scam. It completely depends on us. If I am greedy and addicted to gambling then we will easily lose a lot of money. But if we consider gambling as a game then gambling will not seem like a scam.

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January 26, 2025, 05:05:02 PM
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I completely agree with you. Casinos never say that we will win in betting. The chances of winning and losing here are 50-50. Many people have won by gambling and many have lost everything. Now if we consider it a scam then it is a scam. Those of us who have lost by gambling in casinos will consider it a scam, that is normal. On the other hand, those of us who have won by gambling will not consider it a scam. It completely depends on us. If I am greedy and addicted to gambling then we will easily lose a lot of money. But if we consider gambling as a game then gambling will not seem like a scam.

When you gamble fairly, then there will be no scam. Even though we experience an unreasonable defeat if we say gambling is a scam. If there are gamblers who think like that, maybe the gambler is drunk or unconscious.
No one forces us to gamble and no one forces us to bet our money. We must be aware that we do it ourselves. We must be mindful that gambling will always give winning and losing results.
If gamblers always want to win, anyone can make their own game.

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January 26, 2025, 05:24:04 PM
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I completely agree with you. Casinos never say that we will win in betting. The chances of winning and losing here are 50-50. Many people have won by gambling and many have lost everything. Now if we consider it a scam then it is a scam. Those of us who have lost by gambling in casinos will consider it a scam, that is normal. On the other hand, those of us who have won by gambling will not consider it a scam. It completely depends on us. If I am greedy and addicted to gambling then we will easily lose a lot of money. But if we consider gambling as a game then gambling will not seem like a scam.

When you gamble fairly, then there will be no scam. Even though we experience an unreasonable defeat if we say gambling is a scam. If there are gamblers who think like that, maybe the gambler is drunk or unconscious.
No one forces us to gamble and no one forces us to bet our money. We must be aware that we do it ourselves. We must be mindful that gambling will always give winning and losing results.
If gamblers always want to win, anyone can make their own game.


Some people when losses in gambling they started calling gambling a scam or if they lose more in gambling they think that it is a scam. I would call it an individual gamblers frustration that he wants to name his loss as "gambling site scam" while in reality it is not. Yes, there may be sites that are real scammers like if they do not implement provably fair system, having high house edges or there can be other problem like not allowing to withdraw or KYC scam etc but if anyone is playing on trusted site and lose in gambling then it is not a scam.

Gamblers need to know that gambling is a probability game of loss or win. Be prepared for both scenarios and do not build hopes only for win.  Smiley
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January 26, 2025, 06:08:45 PM
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Gambling is not a scam unless the casino you bet with doesnt pay out.  You know the odds going i to the bet before you place it.  Its up to you whether or not you want to do it.  Its is a risk not a scam.  Scam infers that the casino or bet house is trying to trick or scam you.  Risk levels of each person will determine what they will amd wont risk.  But its not a scam. 
Some casinos are actually badly behaved and creates the impression about gambling possibly been seen as scam, the only time gambling ever looked like that is with those casinos who like you did mentioned do not make payouts but start putting up certain requirements at the point where they were supposed to make payouts just to deny the gambler of the chances for possible withdraw of their funds at that point.

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January 26, 2025, 06:16:01 PM
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Casinos didn't promise you any profit at the end of your bet, but you could be lucky and win your bet or lose bet due to hard luck. You wanted fun and the casino provided that for you. If you become greedy and feel you need money from the casino, you are on your own, because you would be carried away with your greed, and even when you are losing, you will continue chasing your losses. Nobody scammed you.

I completely agree with you. Casinos never say that we will win in betting. The chances of winning and losing here are 50-50. Many people have won by gambling and many have lost everything. Now if we consider it a scam then it is a scam. Those of us who have lost by gambling in casinos will consider it a scam, that is normal. On the other hand, those of us who have won by gambling will not consider it a scam. It completely depends on us. If I am greedy and addicted to gambling then we will easily lose a lot of money. But if we consider gambling as a game then gambling will not seem like a scam.

Of course from the beginning it is clear that gambling is not an activity about winning and winning but about winning and losing, between you making or losing but talking about the chances of winning and losing I think it is more like 70 - 30 where the casino is far superior to the gamblers and there are reasons for these two things, first as we know that gambling is a business for casinos that aims to profit from the losses of gamblers and second as we also see that most gamblers lose more often than they win.

On the other hand, I think the assumption of fraud is a form of disappointment because they lose, although saying that gambling is a fraud just because they lose is a very ridiculous assumption but yes that's how irresponsible gamblers are, the point is one thing we must know is that the more often we gamble, the more defeats we will experience, and that is indeed the reason why many people suggest only making gambling a place of entertainment occasionally. Wink
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January 26, 2025, 06:28:41 PM
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Anonymous source? Is it that he can't trace the transaction through the alert or he doesn't have much information about it. No matter what, don't use your credit card on unrecognize websites, use other options to deposit. Now that we are in the era of crypto, there are vast options gamblers can use to fund there casino flawlessly and less complicated because you don't have any fear of this kind of things, you just deposit and that's all since international transaction are complicated and slow.
Credit cards are actually much safer to use than cryptos. They have a user protection in which you can get refunded and then the scam transaction will get blocked. When it comes to ease of access, it was also actually the credit card is the one that is easy to use because we can just scan or swipe them.

To OP, a gambler is only a scam when casino do some obvious manipulation, cheat you, clear your beating logs and refund your balance
Gambler? Maybe gambling sites you mean? Some gambling sites can do a manipulation but I think this is still far from a true scam since they can still make some payments. And I don't think a casino will clear our beating/losses logs. Logs are always there and it was only losses anyway. What benefit can they get from doing that? A scam casino won't also make a refund but even the legit ones can rarely or won't do it at all. It is our full responsibility when we play gambling though.
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