Why I avoid betting on non-pro sports

[jcojci]

My biggest wins in gambling came from betting on unpopular clubs which is what you addressed as non-pro sports. In advanced leagues, any small team can defeat a big team just like Barcelona was embarrassed by a small team yesterday. But in those unpopular leagues, such rarely happen and if you carefully select your game, you will win and enjoy the big odd that is always given to the clubs because their stats are not completely know.

Anything may happen by chance. The bet you have to win is probably by chance. Though gambling depends on luck/by chance and/or strategy Yet for non-pro sports technical analysis or data base analysis might not be possible. And for that reason it is hardly impossible to guess who may win the game.

Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.

[Chikito]

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Curious about this. I remember seeing interviews with successful bettors who said that in the past they were able to succeed precisely because they bet on this type of sports competitions, where the bookmakers did not adjust the odds so well. Something that with time has become more difficult as well. Now the OP gives us this vision according to which it would be the other way around and I can not judge because I have not played sports betting in my life more than the occasional bet.

On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.

But I doubt that the odds aren't pretty much reflective of the possible outcomes. Oddsmakers don't release odds on sports and leagues they aren't familiar with.

This is more in line with my understanding.

[Oluwa-btc]

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.

[mak013]

On the brighter side, it's actually good if you are fond of betting on underdogs. The odds are better and yet the probability of an upset is also higher. Especially if you're closely following such leagues and you're already familiar with the players, their plays, their tendencies, and so on, it might be easier for you to catch great odds.

But I doubt that the odds aren't pretty much reflective of the possible outcomes. Oddsmakers don't release odds on sports and leagues they aren't familiar with.

I often catch such mistakes, but it is difficult enough. You have to know if the bookie would give this match, if the odds would be interesting enough. So if you`re serious in such bets - it is good way to get fast money, but it wouldn`t be easy money. And searching information would be a big part of the job.

[Cryptmuster]

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.

Non-professional sports initially imply that athletes either do not earn or earn very little, and often bookmakers do not accept bets on such sports, and if they do, then you need to be very careful with these bets, because it seems to me that in this case it is much easier to organize a fixed game. Maybe I am wrong, but I have no desire to check this, I will not be able to prove it and therefore I will simply not consider such games for betting.

[Kelward]

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.

Professional athletics should be a full time job so that they can deliver their very best on the field of play, having a second job to sustain themselves and their families will be a big distraction for them. Athletes lifestyles outside the pitch is very important for people to value them because they're supposed to be watched and be known by many people, if you see your favorite athletes hustling on the street, it can reduce their values. People attributes athletes with celebrity status and if a perticular sport athletes are not living up to a certain standard, them and their sport might not be taken seriously. There's need to pay athletes very well, especially those who have labored very hard to be in top form, it'll help their sport to be in the limelight.

[Adbitco]

My suggestion on this topic? Always avoid to bet games with "strange odds". Try to bet live watching a game.  

I could remember few weeks ago I tried to bet on a live odd (match) and I saw the difference, the thing is to bet on live game is either wait for the first half or target the second half with this you can determine what the possible outcome could be. Betting on live game reduces the risk to about 40% but the odds are usually very poor and for someone to have reasonable odds it would take you about 8-15 different matches to achieve at least 5-6 odds.

The real thing that most of people are not aware... fixed matches can be easily disputed by bookmakers = you will not get rewarded !
Even if you know an event like this, you will have very low odds, no market, and the risk to not get your money in case of win.
No, I will just not follow any match like this.
In case there are real "good news" and fixed matche, you are not aware of it...

The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

[bitbollo]

The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".

[Tungbulu]

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Since the athletes are putting in more efforts I think they should be ransomely compensated for that cause they are putting in their best, sincerely speaking it's un called for  that the bookies could actually act this mean. And I feel bad to hear that the athletes don't get a cut from the bets, cause since they are a small sports in the game they require more financial aid to boost their efficiency.

Personally I don’t think the bookies owe the footballers anything, neither do I feel they should feel obligated to pay them anything, the footballers are working hard to build their career and it’s not the bookies’ fault they’re not being paid enough or at all, rather than blaming the bookies, why not blame the football feds for that, because I’m pretty sure the bookies are also paying their dues somewhere else, think about it.

The bookies didn’t employ the non-pro footballers, so why should they be the ones to bear the cross for them not being paid well, if they wanna get paid well, they should work harder and make their way to play in one of the professional leagues and they’ll be paid well, football is just like every other careers, before you make it the your place of milk and honey, you gotta make certain sacrifices, work even harder than every other person and make your way to the top, and not blaming or feeling some kind of entitlement to someone else who’s also doing his own business and taking his own personal risks to get to the top too. It’s just preposterous.

[hyudien]

The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".

Honestly I don't know if the bookies have that much influence or not, but I personally feel that they have access to it. regardless of whether they arrange the match or not, what is clear is that when they don't interfere too deeply in the match, then in terms of business they still get a lot of profit. We know that gambling has a very extraordinary turnover of money, so if we base it on that, usually money can buy everything. As someone who likes to bet, I can only enjoy it, I don't really think about it because I feel that our hands are not long enough to reach all of that.

[bitbollo]

The bookmakers itself doesn't know wether a match is fixed or not because there is no insider who would leak such information to them to know that this match is a fixed match, though there are some matches that void I don't know if those matches are the result of fixed match or maybe postponed match which to be played by next day  or the next week.

It doesn't matter when a match will be played. You can fix at any time.
Bookmakers don't need insiders. They are maybe in a better position than an insider since they can see the money flow on their bookies.
They have always this in control. This is the basic of their job and the reason why odds changes and why not they can just avoid to pay some bets due "the high betting volume".

Honestly I don't know if the bookies have that much influence or not, but I personally feel that they have access to it. regardless of whether they arrange the match or not, what is clear is that when they don't interfere too deeply in the match, then in terms of business they still get a lot of profit. We know that gambling has a very extraordinary turnover of money, so if we base it on that, usually money can buy everything. As someone who likes to bet, I can only enjoy it, I don't really think about it because I feel that our hands are not long enough to reach all of that.

Of course they can ... decide to not pay a "suspected match".
They can just not pay since they have "doubt of scam/fixed match". They have all legal and moral rights to do this.
I know very well. Here in Italy we had MANY of these rigged matches in soccer (from the major league to the non-pro leagues).

Likewise check some of my previous topic on this matter : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498350.msg64148126#msg64148126

[alani123]

For instance, if you bet on handball, most athletes in most countries have to have second jobs to sustain their presence in the sport, sometimes even in the top teams on this sport the salary isn't enough. What does this mean? Very few athletes that would otherwise be peak athletes are willing to partake in the sport after a certain point. Each team's performance is therefore hindered by many issues. The same teams playing against each other in a different universe can deliver wildly different results. The small teams can beat the huge ones etc.

the same thing happened to athletes in my country. They look for side jobs to maintain their life, there are even some athletes working as an Uber online in the morning and playing football for the clubs in the afternoon. definitely, the match result will always be unexpected even have good odds for the clubs because the athletes already tired on the fields.

I remember reading an article in my country where the momen's football league was plagued about not finding enough pro athletes. Many women like soccer and are ok maybe supporting a local team but moving to the pro league was a move they didn't want to make because for them it would be a very radical shift to their lifestyle for a reward that just isn't worth it.

So local soccer teams "import" many players from less advantaged countries which ends up costing thousands as a process, but still they do it to avoid paying stable good salaries. So also one of the reasons of lack of development in these sports is lack of investment. If they invested in them for a few years they'd surely also get more of an aduience and bigger academies to sustain their activities better. But the big money seems to just like men's football and maybe a little basketball too. Nothing more.

[Lida93]

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

This has much to do with the grade level or division the player is playing at in that sports. There are athletes that do earn huge pay and good incentives in same sports that the op is pounding on about athletes earning little or nothing, the difference is that they are playing in the lower division in that very sports unlike those in high leagues or senior level where the fan base is high and more concentrated which is where the sports association makes their money from and not at lower divisions. What I can draw up here is that those athletes just need to work their ass up the ladder to make good pay.

[D ltr]

Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.

the difficulty in getting information and predictions makes me not want to bet on non-pro matches, where we have to look for information and examine match after match of the team we will choose, but actually it does not rule out the possibility that betting on non-pro matches will always lose, in fact, there will definitely be a win,

[Strongkored]

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Of course, this is not wrong, but it is only a solution for countries that do not prohibit gambling. Also, the funding provided by bookies is certainly not large because they will focus on sports that can bring more money to their site and that is obtained when sponsoring sports or big events.

Professional athletics should be a full time job so that they can deliver their very best on the field of play, having a second job to sustain themselves and their families will be a big distraction for them. Athletes lifestyles outside the pitch is very important for people to value them because they're supposed to be watched and be known by many people, if you see your favorite athletes hustling on the street, it can reduce their values. People attributes athletes with celebrity status and if a perticular sport athletes are not living up to a certain standard, them and their sport might not be taken seriously. There's need to pay athletes very well, especially those who have labored very hard to be in top form, it'll help their sport to be in the limelight.

The problem is that the salary they get from their profession as athletes is not enough to earn a decent living so inevitably they start looking for additional work to earn more money. I am sure that if the salary as an athlete is sufficient, these athletes will prefer to focus on their profession. them as athletes.

[ultrloa]

Yes, anything may happen because that will depends on luck. He got his lucky in unpopular match so he can win and take the money. Well, that will not always happens since analyze the unpopular match will not easy. We must search for more information from more sources because I think the information will not available on the place that we often use to search the information. Even though they have a good skill in analysis, but without more information about the unpopular match, they will not have a chance to pick the right choice.

the difficulty in getting information and predictions makes me not want to bet on non-pro matches, where we have to look for information and examine match after match of the team we will choose, but actually it does not rule out the possibility that betting on non-pro matches will always lose, in fact, there will definitely be a win,

This is one discourage me betting on non pro sports since its really hard to get information on some teams out there. Also we don't know the integrity of the league since we don't know if there's a fix match happening or not.

Although there's really chance that we could win. But those chances is not high as compare if we know or have lots of information about the league and teams we are placing our bets. That's why usually I ignore those non pro sports since I don't like to take a risk on things I don't know what's happening on the scene.

[Findingnemo]

Unpopular sports doesn't neccessarily mean it's played by non--professionals, it's just not being liked by many so it stays in a small level. There are certain games that's not popular globally still takes years of training to be a part of the team.

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

Why it has to be bookies? I don't think they need to do anything, every game has an association and media has the necessary power to make it big scale when it has potential but I do like the supporting them financially from the revenue made from their sports.

[Zlantann]

So this also brings us to the point where ethicality has to be discussed. If we're spending money betting on a sport, doesn't it feel a little wrong to know the athletes earn nothing or close to nothing from this activity? Maybe at least crypto bookies should take the initiative to fund more small sports associations on the local level. 

This has much to do with the grade level or division the player is playing at in that sports. There are athletes that do earn huge pay and good incentives in same sports that the op is pounding on about athletes earning little or nothing, the difference is that they are playing in the lower division in that very sports unlike those in high leagues or senior level where the fan base is high and more concentrated which is where the sports association makes their money from and not at lower divisions. What I can draw up here is that those athletes just need to work their ass up the ladder to make good pay.

In most cases, only players or athletes in popular sports are well paid. It doesn't matter the level the sportsman is competing at, if the sport does not have many supporters in the country the pay will be small. There are professional cyclists, runners, high jumpers, gymnasts, etc in my country that are finding it difficult to make ends meet because of low pay.  

It is just sad to know that some people in top sports positions are making so much money from these less popular sports while players get the crumbs that fall from the dining table.

Crypto bookies are not non profit organizations or sports developing agencies, they are businesses that want to make more money. They will like to support sports that have more fans so that they can be attracted to their betting platforms. However, it will not be a bad idea if they sponsor these unpopular sports as their social corporate responsibilities.

[eisen33]

This is one discourage me betting on non pro sports since its really hard to get information on some teams out there. Also we don't know the integrity of the league since we don't know if there's a fix match happening or not.

Although there's really chance that we could win. But those chances is not high as compare if we know or have lots of information about the league and teams we are placing our bets. That's why usually I ignore those non pro sports since I don't like to take a risk on things I don't know what's happening on the scene.

It is difficult to get information about the players and the team, I once looked at the teams of the first league of the local championship and realized that I have no idea what is playing there. In addition, there are no broadcasts of these leagues, and I can not even watch the game, or previous games to understand what these teams are. I do not know about their honesty, but I admit that there are also many doubts about this. After some thought, I came to the conclusion that it is better to get by with the top championships.