identifying old wallet

[amersoft]

hi friends
I have created a wallet early years of Bitcoin, but I can't remeber wallet name.
I have 6 word seed phrase but all of wallets I know, have more than 12 words seed.
also it is multilingual as it contains naranja from spanish and poire from french dictionary. it is so strange.
does anyone have any ideas?

[OmegaStarScream]

hi friends
I have created a wallet early years of Bitcoin, but I can't remeber wallet name.
I have 6 word seed phrase but all of wallets I know, have more than 12 words seed.
also it is multilingual as it contains naranja from spanish and poire from french dictionary. it is so strange.
does anyone have any ideas?

The only thing I can think of is a brainwallet?

[Zaguru12]

This is definitely a bad experience because one thing is the act of brute forcing this kind of wallet now is definitely going to be hard. 6 seed phrase out of possibly 12 or more is a very large number, if at all the words were known and possibly the combinations are missing then one can easily say it is much better using btcrecover but without this words it will seem very hard.

Not to talk about the wallet, electrum wallet isn’t having same Bip39 words like some wallets which could be another hindrance considering you don’t knwo which wallet it is

You can check through this thread to maybe see if you can use those tools there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272936.0

[Mia Chloe]

Op this is definitely not a nice situation just like Zaguru12 mentioned. Brute forcing seed phrases isn't a fancy thing to do at all and worse of it all, you are not even sure if the wallet is a BIP39 wallet, or something like a standard Electrum wallet which would have at least given a clue on what category of words in a seed we are actually looking at.

One of my guesses is that you may have possibly lost the original seed phrase for an Electrum wallet and then you have just your custom words left.

The only thing I can think of is a brainwallet?

Well that could be a thing too and if that's the case I doubt if brute forcing would be a possible solution since I'm not sure if brain wallet has some sort of word list like BIP39 seeds do.

[OmegaStarScream]

Well that could be a thing too and if that's the case I doubt if brute forcing would be a possible solution since I'm not sure if brain wallet has some sort of word list like BIP39 seeds do.

It doesn't have a wordlist, you can choose whatever you want. But I suggested it because OP said the seedphrase contains words from different languages so maybe he chose them himself.

[bitmover]

hi friends
I have created a wallet early years of Bitcoin, but I can't remeber wallet name.
I have 6 word seed phrase but all of wallets I know, have more than 12 words seed.
also it is multilingual as it contains naranja from spanish and poire from french dictionary. it is so strange.
does anyone have any ideas?

Have you tried using iancoleman.io tool? It supports 6 words seed

https://iancoleman.io/bip39/

Multilanguage is very strange, i think it is most likely that you didn't write the words correctly, it may be just in French, as Naranjo also exists in french.

Try to add your 6 french words in iancoleman website (run it offline and in a safe environment). It will generate a wallet for you.

[BitMaxz]

Why not tell as the exact the year when did you created your wallet?
If it's around 2010 and you created this wallet on Bitcoin-QT and you still have access to this PC, then check this directory path: "%APPDATA%\Bitcoin"
If your PC is not formatted and has not touched since then you should be able to find the wallet file under that folder.

The problem is Bitcoin-QT doesn't generate seed phrases, so maybe you are using a different wallet at that time?

I don't know if the early days of Electrum generates 6 seed phrase but the Electrum these days do not support 6 phrase.

It seems the only tool that can be able to extract all your private keys is the tool posted above from Iancoleman. The only problem is you said it's a multilang you can only choose one language it generates different wallet.

By checking the "naranja" from Spanish and "poire" from French, the only one that exists is "naranja" but the "poire" doesn't exist on the BIP39 link below. You can check it.

- https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/spanish.txt
- https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/french.txt

Maybe the "poire" phrase might be "pobre" in Spanish?

[pooya87]

I have 6 word seed phrase but all of wallets I know, have more than 12 words seed.

I've seen some people with the crazy idea of "splitting" their seed in half and storing it separately. This may have been what you did as well. Does that ring a bell? If so, try to find the other half.

Your seed phrase most probably also contains typos since the second word you mentioned is not found in any of the word lists used by BIP-39 algorithm.

[amersoft]

The only thing I can think of is a brainwallet?

so has it any website or app? I can't find anything special on google

[apogio]

so has it any website or app? I can't find anything special on google

A brainwallet is essentially a simple tool that perfroms SHA-256 on a given passphrase. Then the result is the Private Key and the software calculates the Address.

For instance:

Passphrase: satoshi
Private Key: da2876b3eb31edb4436fa4650673fc6f01f90de2f1793c4ec332b2387b09726f
Address: 1xm4vFerV3pSgvBFkyzLgT1Ew3HQYrS1V

Any tool you use must be used offline.

You can use my tool if you have access to BASH: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5488789.msg63802072#msg63802072

or you can use online software (after downloading the page and running it offline) here: https://brainwalletx.github.io/

EDIT:

My tool will produce this output:

Code:

Entropy: satoshi
PK: da2876b3eb31edb4436fa4650673fc6f01f90de2f1793c4ec332b2387b09726f
WIF: L4XnHhvLC1b4ag9L2PM9kRicQxUoYT1Q36PQ21YtLNkrAdWZNos6
Public Key: 04c4f00a8aa87f595b60b1e390f17fc64d12c1a1f505354a7eea5f2ee353e427b7fc0ac3f520dfd4946ab28ac5fa3173050f90c6b2d186333e998d7777fdaa52d5
Compressed Public Key: 03c4f00a8aa87f595b60b1e390f17fc64d12c1a1f505354a7eea5f2ee353e427b7
HASH160: 0a8ba9e453383d4561cbcdda36e5789c2870dd41
Legacy Address: 1xm4vFerV3pSgvBFkyzLgT1Ew3HQYrS1V
Segwit Address: 3JkdX5SHwjTukvN3yGeUWGJ3oPXNvW5h8m

as well as legacy and segwit address QR codes.

it's worth a try, just to run it using any possible "password" you have in mind.

[amersoft]

A brainwallet is essentially a simple tool that perfroms SHA-256 on a given passphrase. Then the result is the Private Key and the software calculates the Address.
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Thank you a lot for your complete explanation. I'll try it.

[apogio]

Thank you a lot for your complete explanation. I'll try it.

You re welcome. Just keep in mind the following:

1. don’t trust anyone if they DM you to help you.
2. feel free to ask here anything you want.
3. if you have any doubts, ask.
4. any more info you have, will allow us to assist you more effectively

[amersoft]

Thanks you all bros 

unfortunately the advice you gave didn't work.
here is more detailed info:

wallet data was in my old pc that it's hdd has completely broken.
I'm almost sure it is six words seed.
I researched many days about seeds and found every word is from different dictionary.

word 1 from spanish dic
word 2 from french dic
word 3 from german dic
word 4 from lojban dic
word 5 from electrum dic
word 6 from dutch dic

on github I found Masari project that use these dictionaries but it accept above 12 word not 6 word also just one language not all of them togother.

[bitmover]

Thanks you all bros 

unfortunately the advice you gave didn't work.
here is more detailed info:

wallet data was in my old pc that it's hdd has completely broken.
I'm almost sure it is six words seed.
I researched many days about seeds and found every word is from different dictionary.

word 1 from spanish dic
word 2 from french dic
word 3 from german dic
word 4 from lojban dic
word 5 from electrum dic
word 6 from dutch dic

on github I found Masari project that use these dictionaries but it accept above 12 word not 6 word also just one language not all of them togother.

Well, I will suggest that you look for professionals

https://www.walletrecoveryservices.com/

I saw some people recommending them, here in this forum. I never used their services, but it might be worth. As your situation is quite complex and looks very uncommon. I never saw a seed with different languages.

[pooya87]

word 1 from spanish dic
word 2 from french dic
word 3 from german dic
word 4 from lojban dic
word 5 from electrum dic
word 6 from dutch dic

That makes it less likely to be a mnemonic created by any of the popular algorithms that have existed and we are familiar with. Assuming this is a mnemonic and has anything to do with a bitcoin wallet, this has to be a custom made algorithm that may not be public.

Additionally you have to remember that in early days the dictionary that was used by mnemonic algorithms were mostly English and I believe the other one was Japanese, the rest that you can see on Github today were added years later. For instance French word-list was added in 2015 [1]

The word-lists I highlighted in your post don't exist by the way. At least not among the lists used by BIP-39 [2] or Electrum [3].

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/commit/69841de3627e3d33b3355f5159b7dcb9e2869329
[2] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md
[3] https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/tree/master/electrum/wordlist

[amersoft]

here is all dictionaries that I mentioned in one file:
https://github.com/masari-project/masari-webwallet/blob/90c5802262b1e7f56e2bc2c61622e160ac1806f4/src/model/MnemonicLang.ts

what I found it seems it is base58 wallet
I'll check your advices and inform you about updates

thank you all

[apogio]

I researched many days about seeds and found every word is from different dictionary.

word 1 from spanish dic
word 2 from french dic
word 3 from german dic
word 4 from lojban dic
word 5 from electrum dic
word 6 from dutch dic

here is all dictionaries that I mentioned in one file:
https://github.com/masari-project/masari-webwallet/blob/90c5802262b1e7f56e2bc2c61622e160ac1806f4/src/model/MnemonicLang.ts

what I found it seems it is base58 wallet
I'll check your advices and inform you about updates

thank you all

One more thought:
Have you tried generating a brainwallet using the 6 words in order, like "word1 word2 word3 word4 word5 word6"?
It's very obvious that the wallet is not backed-up by BIP39 nor Electrum.

[amersoft]

One more thought:
Have you tried generating a brainwallet using the 6 words in order, like "word1 word2 word3 word4 word5 word6"?
It's very obvious that the wallet is not backed-up by BIP39 nor Electrum.

yes I tried, but it is an empty wallet

[apogio]

yes I tried, but it is an empty wallet

Have you also tried with various word separators? Like comma, semicolomn, tab etc?

Are you sure there is no other part of the backup? Like perhaps some more words or phrase somewhere else?

Lastly, as BitMaxz suggested, did you check your hard-drives in case there are any wallet.dat files? Because it could be just a password for the file.

[Cricktor]

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Don't get me wrong, I don't want to blame OP. This is just another example of poor wallet creation documentation and the lack of documentation makes it only worse as time goes by.

It seems to be unknown when the wallet was created, for what purpose and which specific wallet software or web service was used. Not to mention the absence of wallet recovery or backup details. This isn't really a good starting point.

For anybody else, document all what's necessary to recover your wallet and do this in a redundant fashion. Having a single point of failure like just all data on a single harddisk that can fail, will get you in trouble sooner or later. Also, stuff you've done years ago and which has been left untouched for long time will very very likely vanish from your human memory. It proves all so often that people can't remember sufficiently what they've done exactly years ago when specific details matter.


That your six words appear to belong to six different language dictionaries is very unusual. I can't think of a sane wallet software that would use something mixed up like this.

My initial thoughts on what those words could be have mostly been suggested already by others:

• a brainwallet phrase, i.e. SHA256("word1 word2 ... word6") gives you one private key or 256 bits of "entropy" for further derivation
• a wallet encryption passphrase (you're still screwed without the wallet file itself)
• could also be an optional mnemonic passphrase, but then the mnemonic recovery words are missing
• some fancily chosen words for your own self-constructed and shoot-you-in-your-foot scheme when there's no documentation for it
• if BIP39 already were a thing when OP created the wallet, it would be uncommon but still possible to feed the six mixed language words into the 2048 rounds of PBKDF2 and continue BIP32 root key derivation from there (but then still some more details like derivation path and such are missing and you would need some tweaked script of software for it as e.g. the iancoleman.io/bip39/ script won't accept mixed language words from dictionaries it doesn't know about (this idea is a bit far fetched, I'm just brain-storming and it's sometimes hard to think of what some users come up with))

 

wallet data was in my old pc that it's hdd has completely broken.

No chance you might have a partial backup of important data that was on this single hdd on some other storage device?
Why don't people make backups?

I'm almost sure it is six words seed.

I would say that's highly unlikely. First, it's a bit too few words for recovery seed words. Second, why would it be mixed language? This only complicates things and I'm not aware of any sane wallet software that does mixed language recovery seed words.

here is all dictionaries that I mentioned in one file:
https://github.com/masari-project/masari-webwallet/blob/90c5802262b1e7f56e2bc2c61622e160ac1806f4/src/model/MnemonicLang.ts

what I found it seems it is base58 wallet

That's an interesting find, at least when all used language dictionaries are in one place from which your words may origin.
Frankly, what exactly would a "base58 wallet" be? I've no idea what you're talking about.