Rollbit, This is my Final Message.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5523801.msg64884527#msg64884527)

Well, I have seen it and replied to it.

To your adresses;

- I didn’t talk bad in chat or support; they can send proof here, I will send them 2000$.

- I will respect people who are genuine, I won’t respect people who act lower leveled people at forum like dogs.

- I have a long history with crypto and its people, probably longer than most of these DTs, and sadly know that people are not genuine and looking for their pockets.

- When I opened that flag, I knew I would get no support; everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform; I call these people horseradish.

- I know that Razer is not man enough to own up and pay for his mistakes. This will not go anywhere.

- My writings to holydarkness were because of frustration of my state of mind.

- I have multiple times said, I lost my mother during this accusation ; got no condolances from these people incl. holydarkness.

- I know who is genuine or not from now on.

- Won’t be in this forum in the near future, think about me like dead.

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You should leave holydarkness out of this, as I have told you before. He is basically the only person in this forum that actively uses his own time to help people with casino disputes.
When you complained about him for no reason at all (I have read all of it) he no longer was interested in your case, and I totally understand that. Now blaming him for not getting condolences is straight up hilarious.

Sure your situation with rollbit is really bad, I am also not a fan of this site. But the behavior you showed in this forum is really bad, that's why you are getting no support. Let that sink in for a minute.

What behavior are you talking about here? A situation does not change because of a user’s actions. You either believe it’s a scam or not. The behavior which is wrong here is only you and your language.

What is hilarious is the lack of personal respect and dignity left around here. Which you can comment on as hilarious not my grieving.

I do not deserve the attitude you are giving towards me, you will face serious consequences if you satire about someones grieving face to face in real life. I think you are old enough to know that.


Let’s make the whole case about my attitude against holydarkness right? Continue de-railing the topic that how I got scammed and want my compansation. How old are you people, I guess you are on the young spectrum; if not, good luck in your life.

I apologized to holydarkness, and I don’t see any other bad attitude but my attitude against him at start. Big men apologize, big men accept sincere apologies.

Why don’t you act or reply on holydarkness’ final reply against me, even after I apologized. I am talking about you here. If you are so demanding on attitude, why don’t you comment on his behavior here;

Three, I would really advise you that this is the last time you write my name in your case with a wording that put a shade that I am in Rollbit's side and their supporter. Perhaps it'll be better if you stopped mentioning my name at all. Lest you meet the other side of me [the username I choose actually has a "philosophical" nature in it, go figure] that will explain in details to the forum why this case should not be a case at all because factually and contractually you are not and should not be eligible for anything.

Might be wise to remind you that I roam this board every day, and I have a very strong memory, and when it failed to help me, I also have a notebook with full handwritten key-facts about cases I oversee.

Answer this.


To you,

Either a accusation is correct or not; you either support it or oppose it. If a behavior of an individual (your bestie) changes your view on an accusation, good luck in life. I don’t wish the very well for you as you laughed on my mother’s death.


I have achieved so much in life and went through 2 bankruptcies at young age, I have seen the worst of the people. But I haven’t seen people as cheap as here.

You cannot tell someone who is expecting condolonces ‘hilarious’.

I wasn’t expecting Razer to be flagged by a member account, I am not an imbecile. His paid guys would save him, just like it will happen in this case.

Good luck in real life with this behavior. Because you will need it.


So sad, what happened to Satoshi’s forum.

[holydarkness]

These interesting drama aside, allow me to make it a bit more understandable why there is a very low traction on the support/opposition of the flag [with my reason being a different case as I've explained about me abstaining], and that horseradish situation, of why "everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform".
 
If I may broaden the term "flagging" here into "taking action" instead of the literal "flag", then factually speaking, no. We've been placing negative tags to casinos every now and then when there were a worrisome length of silence that led us to believe the casino will not reply and dealing with them poses a monetary risk. In fact, Rollbit had some in the past. BC. TrustDice. I believe many casinos did had their fair share of being tagged by DTs in the past. I think I can pull some history of posts stating that DTs tagging Rollbit in the past for their inaction, if that's necessary.

Narrowing it down to "flag" in literal term, flags are seen as a more complex and drastic measures of the forum. To take action to a flag, the voters affirm to a set of facts provided in the narrative to be true. My guess, the reason not many DT support or oppose it is because they're more or less in the same position where I stood, that they're wearing OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses.

They understand both sides, thus opposing or supporting is not ideal. I believe examplen's explanation covered what majority of what the overseers think that contributes to the low traction of the flag.

So yeah, not exactly a horseradish, simply doing the usual heavy call and fair judgment that's need to be exercised by DTs. Lest we abuse our power.

Taking it a bit further, OP, If I may brush a little bit about explanation, in other thread, where owlcatz's opposition without explanation received such response,

[...]
Anyways, thanks for actually replying unlike owlcatz.

[...]
Note to owlcatz; I do not respect your opinion because you didn't give me any explanation on your opposition.

shouldn't you also inquired Lachrymose's support? As it's also without explanation.

Why an opposition require such scrutinization while support left unaddressed? If someone [a DT, since if we talk outside DTs, then the list of people who need to explain themselves grew larger] need to explain to you why they oppose your flag, wouldn't it only fair if you also asked for the reason why people support it?

The point I am trying to convey about DT's explanation here is that to leave it alone. DT has their own politics that's a headache by itself. You don't need to trouble yourself with why a DT support this flag or oppose the other flag. Being in DT bear a heavy burden of being in the spotlight and being scrutinized on each and every of their action.

If the fellow DTs think a DT support or oppose without a valid reason, or keep showing a poor judgment capability, that DT will quite likely being questioned. With or without you demanding a specific DT to explain themselves.

I am not condemning you for inquiring owlcatz, just... want to let you know that it might be a thing that shouldn't be on your focus... in excessive way.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.

[holydarkness]

Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.

Nope, that'll be a bad idea. Private message are meant to be that: private. Don't share a PM without the sender's consent. It'll put you on a very uhh... interesting situation if that sender happen to be someone... with a lot of time to spare.

The point of my message was just that, at the bottom of my post, that it shouldn't be your main focus, that DT has their own politics and "tribunal". Inferred,  people are allowed to support or oppose without having to explain themselves all and each of the time they voted. If they show repetitive questionable calls, other DTs will jump in. Leave that be.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.

Nope, that'll be a bad idea. Private message are meant to be that: private. Don't share a PM without the sender's consent. It'll put you on a very uhh... interesting situation if that sender happen to be someone... with a lot of time to spare.

The point of my message was just that, at the bottom of my post, that it shouldn't be your main focus, that DT has their own politics and "tribunal". Inferred,  people are allowed to support or oppose without having to explain themselves all and each of the time they voted. If they show repetitive questionable calls, other DTs will jump in. Leave that be.

Hello holydarkness,

I didn’t post it since it’s a private message and as I value privacy same as you do. Just wanted to post as an answer.

Okay holydarkness, thanks for your insight about the situation. I didn’t know (that’s my bad) how DT people work and take actions. Sorry if I have been too offensive about this. Am in a rough time these days.

I see altough, flag is supported ; at least the majority thinks I should be compansated, while not supporting the flag which I respect it.

Everything aside,

I guess still no explanation from Razer? Correct?

Thanks for taking your time holydarkness.

Regards.

[Blossom15]

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight

So, if not 100%, by what percentage would you say they’re guilty?

[holydarkness]

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight

So, if not 100%, by what percentage would you say they’re guilty?

As I think I've made my opinion about this case very clear, by an --IMO-- exhaustively long and repetitive explanation, I somehow think that instead of a real curiosity and a query for my stance for this case, the question is more to fish or stir something. So, I'll try a different approach to answer to your question:

By what percentage would you say OP is guilty?

[Blossom15]

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight

So, if not 100%, by what percentage would you say they’re guilty?

As I think I've made my opinion about this case very clear, by an --IMO-- exhaustively long and repetitive explanation, I somehow think that instead of a real curiosity and a query for my stance for this case, the question is more to fish or stir something. So, I'll try a different approach to answer to your question:

By what percentage would you say OP is guilty?

That’s easy, 0%.

As an arbiter, shouldn’t you also focus on holding these platforms to higher standards instead of consistently shifting blame onto users who may not have been fully aware of the risks? This seems to be a recurring pattern, and I’m not just referring to this case.

Anyways, I was hoping for a genuine answer and wasn’t setting a trap or whatever. You can choose to respond or not.

[holydarkness]

As I think I've made my opinion about this case very clear, by an --IMO-- exhaustively long and repetitive explanation, I somehow think that instead of a real curiosity and a query for my stance for this case, the question is more to fish or stir something. So, I'll try a different approach to answer to your question:

By what percentage would you say OP is guilty?

That’s easy, 0%.

Then the exact same percentage is the number of Rollbit's guilt.

I've explained it in what I believe more than extensive. I am not interested to repeat my long explanation of "wearing OP's shoes and seeing through Rollbit's glasses". I'll suggest you to re-read all of OP's thread and his interaction with me if you can't see why I think the exact same percentage is the number of Rollbit's guilt.

As an arbiter, shouldn’t you also focus on holding these platforms to higher standards instead of consistently shifting blame onto users who may not have been fully aware of the risks?

Fortunately, I am not an arbiter. Is that fact lost to you somehow? But yes, I am focusing on having the platforms on this forum to a better [not necessarily higher] standard, that's why I diligently chasing them to get things resolved.

This seems to be a recurring pattern, and I’m not just referring to this case.

Anyways, I was hoping for a genuine answer and wasn’t setting a trap or whatever. You can choose to respond or not.

Oh? A recurring pattern? Of me "shifting blame onto users who may not have been fully aware of the risks"? Dare I assume, as you write on this thread, that you consider OP's case is also one of that recurring pattern?

Let's suppose for a second that I consistently shifting blame to users [with OP's case included], it's rather interesting, is it not, that as someone who tries to blame the users instead of attempting a better situation and resolution, I seemingly go to an extensive length to get a middle way by keep on nagging Razer?

[...]
As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...

[...]

Now, as a rebuttal from me, do you mind to do us all a favor and show this concrete proof of me having this recurring pattern of shifting blame? Like you, I am hoping for a genuine answer, but unlike the text that followed, I insist on the answer instead of having you choose to respond or not, as I perceive your words as a libel.

So, certainly, to make it a fact instead of libel, it will be extremely wise to provide evidences to support the statement.

[tetaeridanus]

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight

So, if not 100%, by what percentage would you say they’re guilty?

As I think I've made my opinion about this case very clear, by an --IMO-- exhaustively long and repetitive explanation, I somehow think that instead of a real curiosity and a query for my stance for this case, the question is more to fish or stir something. So, I'll try a different approach to answer to your question:

By what percentage would you say OP is guilty?

Hello holydarkness, what do you mean as guilty?

Did you see the DT owlcatz reasoning for opposition?

Isn't abuse of DT or power banned in this forum?

What am I quilty for, If I may ask? Asking for my redemption?

Thanks.

[tetaeridanus]

Holydarkness,

While I was writing my reply to you,

 I saw that you posted a reply to this thread and I wanted to answer this;

[...]
As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...

[...]
[/quote]

I have numerously times thanked for your gesture about this, why did this topic came here?

While you quoted it, I may ask; if Razer still didn't reply, do you think this is a apporpriate action accordingly?

We can see that only 2 DT's opposed the flag to this day with both unjustified evidence, unlike all the evidence I have shown.

You can also count the people that replied to that thread, and majority seems like saying I deserve compansation.


What do you think about this? It is important for me.

Thanks in advance.

Tetaeridanus.

[tetaeridanus]

To make it easy for you;

Let's see; what a nice opposition reasoning from DT member owlcatz:

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

This guy is a paid alt account who didn't even read the topic and tries derailing; Fixelifix;

I am opposing. OP has some sort of problem, just read his posts at casino guru. All got rejected.
Reminder:

https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2

"The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts."

https://casino.guru/rollbit-casino-player-requested-a-refund-of-his-deposits

The player from Turkey was able to open a new account despite an active self-exclusion. After reviewing all available evidence, we ended up rejecting the complaint.

And let's see; a guy named DaveF from DT calls the website scummy but still opposed the flag:

From their T&C 6.1:


As at the time of writing, You are forbidden to register on the Website and / or use our services if You are a resident of any of the following territories:
Afghanistan, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bonaire, Curacao........

Or to put it another way. "We are so scummy we don't want local people using us because they can actually do something about it"

Any reccurence? I see reccurance of bullsh*ting by these people. And let's see the 4th opposer;

Micha3elM, LOL.

A worker of Rollbit.com, which is known since his account's birth.

So this accusation will be closed based on these fools?

I am waiting for your warm reply holydarkness.

This writings are nothing personal to you, but my outburst of this situation.

Tell me, if I am getting the response I deserve here.

Best regards.

Tetaeridanus.

[holydarkness]

Hello holydarkness, what do you mean as guilty?

Did you see the DT owlcatz reasoning for opposition?

Isn't abuse of DT or power banned in this forum?

What am I quilty for, If I may ask? Asking for my redemption?

Thanks.

As I said on my reply that you quoted, I believe I've make my view of this case extremely clear. Feel free to revisit our entire conversation as I am not in the mood to write another wall of text that I've already written several times.

About DT, I've also explained this to you. He's entitled to his opinion. If he think your flag deserve an opposition, then frankly, he's entitled to oppose it, just like people are entitled to support the flag with each of their own reasoning.

IF the DTs think owlcatz abuses his DT power, they will extensively discussing it and take action for it. So my advise [again] is to leave that be out of your concern for the time being. I believe you're well understand that you can't force one's will and opinion to others? Well, more or less, that's what applied here.

Holydarkness,

While I was writing my reply to you,

 I saw that you posted a reply to this thread and I wanted to answer this;

[...]
As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...

[...]

I have numerously times thanked for your gesture about this, why did this topic came here?

Simple. That person above us believe I continuously shifting blames to players [semantics applied here], so instead of throwing tantrum and writing offensive sentences, I do what adult do: challenge him of his statements.

I believe we all can see and understand and agree that the point he tried to say is that I am taking Rollbit's side and shift the blame to you, so there, instead of arguing with empty words and name-calling, I take action in line with how this board works: evidence. I provide an evidence as a rebuttal that disputed his claim that I have a recurring pattern of shifting blame to users.

Broken down, it's a question of how exactly I shifted blame to users [and inferred, taking side of the casinos, not trying to get platform on a "higher standard"] while I go to a length that I barely do to other casinos to get this player something.

While we're at it, Blossom15, I am being serious here, I am waiting for those explanation and list. This is not me exfoliating my skin so it is not as thick as it used to be, or cleaning my ears that it is not as selectively-deaf as it was in the past, nor washing my eyes so the partial blindness eased considerably.

This is being tired of parrying and taking jabs and reminding people that at a public forum, free speech does not equal to freedom of consequences. So, Blossom15, own your words and prove your statements.

While you quoted it, I may ask; if Razer still didn't reply, do you think this is a apporpriate action accordingly?

Refer to paragraph 14 of this post [that's the one with "One, that is my..."], plus, Razer actually has not been online since I wrote that PM [last online as per when this post was made is 17th Dec], so there are a very huge chance he has not read that message.

We can see that only 2 DT's opposed the flag to this day with both unjustified evidence, unlike all the evidence I have shown.

You can also count the people that replied to that thread, and majority seems like saying I deserve compansation.

Refer to the post about "DT politics" and what I wrote above about owlcatz.

What do you think about this? It is important for me.

Thanks in advance.

Tetaeridanus.

At this point? Trust me, you don't want me to write in public on what I think about this. Paragraph 20 of the same post I linked above would have a relation to this.

Some might argue that this is me abusing my DT power by "being silent" and not pointing the obvious [though the cat is actually already out of the bag] or perhaps a chance to question my judgment capability. But I'll argue that this is me waiting and see, with a splash of that "OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses".

[...]

So this accusation will be closed based on these fools?

I will boldly assume you're referring to the status on my list.

On that case, no, as I said, that thread is not authoritarian, I will be waiting for the final verdict by DTs vote by 31st January and use that as the verdict of your case.

If the flag is active, then I'll mark it as "unresolved". On the contrary, if the flag remains inactive, then I'll take the exhaustive step we've taken [you contacting support, me having Razer to get it retried without other dept. past decision influencing the outcome, me PMing him for a middle way] is a conclusion that the case is indeed a no-case. Thus, resolved.

in case you're not familiar with it, as you raised a type-3 flag, you'll need 3 DT supporting the flag than the ones opposing it, and currently you're at -1, as there is 1 DT supporting and 2 DT opposing [1-2=-1], means you'll at least need 4 more DTs support [1-=4=3=active], unless the opposing DT retract their opposition.

I am waiting for your warm reply holydarkness.

This writings are nothing personal to you, but my outburst of this situation.

Tell me, if I am getting the response I deserve here.

Best regards.

Tetaeridanus.

So that is my answer. Either it's warm or cold or harsh, I leave you to decide. I am hoping that the effort I take [it took me about an hour, TBH] to make this post does not meet with the same series of jabs you gave me in the past, as I don't want to regret my decision on onca again dipping my toe on this case.

[tetaeridanus]

No one is waiting to throw jabs at you, however sentences like ‘you don’t want me to write in public’ or ‘cat is out of the bag’ can be seen as offensive to any individual. I pick my words carefully, however you do not seem so. This behaviour of you is very very wrong. Especially in a paragraph where you are talking to someone else as well.

Does ‘cat is out of the bag’ means 2 losers DTs oppose my flag? Go ahead and join them. Will show your decision making.

So you and a few individual are smarter than all the people who answered to my thread? Because, yes; cat is out of the bag, and that cat is the reality of a thief casino owner and puppets on payroll.

If that is so, and if you are so sure that I am %100 gulity; who ahead and join those 2 DTs, what’s stopping you? Splatter dishonesty on your resume. Go ahead.

What type of language is this? This is not how someone who voluntarily do mediating at this forum should talk like. This is not a high school gossip forum. I am accusing a casino for stealing 50.000 usd; and you are talking in a very foul language like we are both ex boyfriends of a cheerleader.

The only disrespectful person is you here, not me.

[tetaeridanus]

Is this what you get after you apologize to a man?

Is this how you should be talking to a person who feels victimized?

I don’t think so.

If you really wanted the best of both worlds, you could pm when instead of threating me that if you go public; I wouldn’t want that.

Seems like you don’t put yourself in my shoes. If you did, you would know how wrong this sentence is, and offending.

You already knew I was gonna reaction to this, so why are you giving hints for me to temper up?

What is your motive?

I am asking seriously.

To make me look like a clown? Or turning me in to a circus show?

I am in desperate times, and I cannot fathom how your words have angered me.

[examplens]

I am asking seriously.

To make me look like a clown? Or turning me in to a circus show?

Man, first you need to catch your breath and calm down a bit. You are making a circus out of this here, and you have turned "your final message" into a thread of 40+ final messages.
You are asking here for the others to explain why they support or use your flag, and if you don't like some of the explanations, you start with insults and provocations. Your approach turns even those who had the intention of helping you to become disinterested in your case.

p.s. Is this your first and only account on this forum (not counting 14z4rus, which is obvious), I have seen your writing style before, but not by good reputation.

[tetaeridanus]

I am asking seriously.

To make me look like a clown? Or turning me in to a circus show?

Man, first you need to catch your breath and calm down a bit. You are making a circus out of this here, and you have turned "your final message" into a thread of 40+ final messages.
You are asking here for the others to explain why they support or use your flag, and if you don't like some of the explanations, you start with insults and provocations. Your approach turns even those who had the intention of helping you to become disinterested in your case.

p.s. Is this your first and only account on this forum (not counting 14z4rus, which is obvious), I have seen your writing style before, but not by good reputation.

I have not seen any intention of people who are trying to help here when some people tried to de-rail my topic. I am always at fault right? How can I respect someone who opposes just because he can? Doing so with evidence is different, without evidence and doing it just because he can.

I am sorry if my behavior disintrested you in following my topic.

However, unlike holydarkness; like he said, I am the one who is get thrown punches here.

And for your question, 14z4rus is a real life aquitance of mine; not me. Who came for support. Just like many of you have here..

I don’t understand; who are you talking about? This is my first and only account.

I am ready to escrow any amount to anyone who can prove me otherwise.

If you are accusing such allegations (not you), prove it. I am telling this to blantant liars.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello @kingbj21 ,

I value your opinion on the matter, however please let’s try to not derail the topic here.

Personal direct messaging just derails this topic, and the threatening grammar from holydarkness tempered me; however no need for insults please.

I, as a grieving victim talker warmly; and got sarcasm as response.

No need to say anything about this matter; but no insults please.

Warm regards.

[ineedhelpplease]

I don't mean to go off topic but I don't understand any of the hate against Holydarkness and some of it is like laughable.

The whole idea of him being some sort of "casino puppet master" seems like some sort of conspiracy meme.

Going off my past experience the dude helped explain my situation and I was able to understand it fully from Rollbit's perspective because of him. Everything was absolutely straightforward with our previous interactions and he also PMed Razer to help with the situation, which is all great and he was also trying to help recover the money I lost from FTX after the Rollbit situation was over. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471380.0) If you read the thread it doesn't feel like anything bad that was claimed here, other than the whole "You didn't read TOS" which I do not even see bad. This is true and TOS should always be looked at, especially when you're trusting other people/businesses. Unfortunately in my case, I lost whats around $20K today because of my own fault. It was horrible back then but at some point (In this case it was very quickly for me) I did realize it was my fault, and Rollbit had to act what seemed very irresponsible to most people who are unfamiliar with how these gambling sites worked purely for legal reasons. Holydarkness has far more experience with them than we do and we shouldn't hate on the man for speaking the truth about our situations.

Nothing was "dodged"

I wasn't being "mocked"

And like in most situations it would be the players' faults.

There's a whole lot more I can say but truly it doesn't make sense. I fail to understand how he mocks people or whatever accusations are like that and I highly doubt he's being paid by the casinos for these posts defending them. He is only being honest, and eventually you're gonna have to be a man and accept defeat. Eventually, you're literally going to have to accept that you've lost the case, even if it is painful to you. At least we get to learn from it. And I'm 100% sure that if he sees a gambling company in the wrong then he will call them out in a respectful manner, which I can bet has happened before. I can only see him being "paid by casinos" if he's in a signature campaign, which anyone with a high rank can apply to those.

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I don't mean to go off topic but I don't understand any of the hate against Holydarkness and some of it is like laughable.

The whole idea of him being some sort of "casino puppet master" seems like some sort of conspiracy meme.

Going off my past experience the dude helped explain my situation and I was able to understand it fully from Rollbit's perspective because of him. Everything was absolutely straightforward with our previous interactions and he also PMed Razer to help with the situation, which is all great and he was also trying to help recover the money I lost from FTX after the Rollbit situation was over. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471380.0) If you read the thread it doesn't feel like anything bad that was claimed here, other than the whole "You didn't read TOS" which I do not even see bad. This is true and TOS should always be looked at, especially when you're trusting other people/businesses. Unfortunately in my case, I lost whats around $20K today because of my own fault. It was horrible back then but at some point (In this case it was very quickly for me) I did realize it was my fault, and Rollbit had to act what seemed very irresponsible to most people who are unfamiliar with how these gambling sites worked purely for legal reasons. Holydarkness has far more experience with them than we do and we shouldn't hate on the man for speaking the truth about our situations.

Nothing was "dodged"

I wasn't being "mocked"

And like in most situations it would be the players' faults.

There's a whole lot more I can say but truly it doesn't make sense. I fail to understand how he mocks people or whatever accusations are like that and I highly doubt he's being paid by the casinos for these posts defending them. He is only being honest, and eventually you're gonna have to be a man and accept defeat. Eventually, you're literally going to have to accept that you've lost the case, even if it is painful to you. At least we get to learn from it. And I'm 100% sure that if he sees a gambling company in the wrong then he will call them out in a respectful manner, which I can bet has happened before. I can only see him being "paid by casinos" if he's in a signature campaign, which anyone with a high rank can apply to those.

Because both these people are clowns. One guy is a gambling addict that has nothing else to do than blackmailing one casino after the other in this forum and the other (even though he had a solid case against rollbit) has driven into hate speech because he didn't get the help he thought he was entitled to. Then he insulted Holy personally which then withdrew from his case, easy as that and totally understandable
Simple case of self implosion. If he kept his composure, Holy would have done more, be he didn't. Now he is only hating and spamming, making several threads that nobody here cares about anymore because he showed his true face.

If you have a problem with a casino this forum is NOT the place to go to. There are sites on focussing on mediation between players and sites, this is just a bitcoin forum that also has a scam section. Some people don't understand that unfortunately.