An initiative to not promote bloodsports

[acroman08]

Whats happening in "professional cockfights" is the chickens are stuffed with steroids and razor blades are attached to their talons. They don't know they are killing each other.

also, when it comes to "professional cockfights" one is guaranteed to die or sometimes both of the chickens die because of injuries.

Bitcointalk.org is in US jurisdiction, and is subject to US subpoenas, wiretap orders, preservation orders (which would negate the above retention rules), and similar.

I agree, as been stated in privacy page, Bitcointalk is in US jurisdiction, so technically the forum should follow the US regulation. Mixer isn't even completely illegal, it's still in grey area, but the forum choose to ban it.

I am not defending cockfighting or anything but if we follow the US regulation a lot of online casinos that are advertising here would not be allowed since a lot of them do not have US licenses to operate their casinos which makes them illegal right?

[LTU_btc]

I support your proposal, OP. I don't think that such thingsshould be promoted on Bitcointalk. For me such ''sports'' isn't acceptable, Im against killing animals just for fun. And I don't understand how full arenas of people can gather to watch such events.
But I don't expect that your proposal will be accepted...

Power Slap is quite ridiculous too but unfortunately some U.S. legislators were dumb enough to sanction it as a sport. Now it's legal... It's a great example of how laws can sometimes be against common sense. Now we'll have to wait a few years until the participants suffer catastrophic results for it to be banned sadly. Or maybe that won't have to happen because it has such low viewership that it may die on its own without any intervention.

I wouldn't compare Power Slap with cockfighting. It's not that much different from things like BKFC or even MMA and boxing. Though, for me Power Slap is really stupid kind of sports.

What I don’t understand is why it’s not considered animal cruelty, especially when there are laws protecting animals. Could it be that promoters make too much money, and authorities just turn a blind eye to it?

It's not Europe or US - animal rights isn't big thing. World is so much different there, for example in some Asian countries people eating dogs, what isn't acceptable for us.

[suzanne5223]

I never liked the idea of cockfighting since it involves the demise of one of the animals, and it's fair not to compare cockfighting with boxing, MMA, etc. But this is a global forum and what is restricted in some jurisdictions can be a story to talk about by people who are not from the region where the animal fight is prohibited since it is not against the forum rules.
Only Theymos decision will decide if the animal fight discussion or sports promotion will be banned on this forum since Bitcointalk is in US jurisdiction.

[notblox1]

Last I remember our "bloodsports" don't involve sewing razors into the gloves of the fighters.

No razors in elite divisions but MMA fighters are using knees and elbows and there is lots of blood in each event.
Just look at the faces of Nate Diaz and his brother, they are full of scars  and there is always possibility that someone dies.
I know chicken lives matter also, but I have seen birds fighting and killing each other in nature and cities all the time.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Last I remember our "bloodsports" don't involve sewing razors into the gloves of the fighters.

No razors in elite divisions but MMA fighters are using knees and elbows and there is lots of blood in each event.
Just look at the faces of Nate Diaz and his brother, they are full of scars  and there is always possibility that someone dies.
I know chicken lives matter also, but I have seen birds fighting and killing each other in nature and cities all the time.

I am not even perturbed by cock fighting per se, after all, it's called chicken and a great source of protein after when it is either roasted or fried or boiled or smoked, spiced up and eaten to digestion.

It is also to note that Hare coursing, Fox hunting, Bull fighting, Dog fighting, Ram fighting are all forms of Bloodsports besides cock fighting that is widely known as compared to others. It is still illegal in many parts of the worlds except in the ghettos or some regions where policing power is minimal or absent.

Cryptocurrency can be used to sponsor Bloodsport, used to place a bet via gambling on any Bloodsport competitor, and used to stake on simulated Bloodsport games that require crypto currency as the games currency by design.

Even though it is clear that MMA fights, and some other fight tournaments both hosted by the UFC or not, promote violence and blood spills somehow to show seriousness, it is and should be top on the list as regards considering Bloodsports and the part cryptocurrencies play in it all.

[cabron]

They are saying its meant for Filipinos who are from, Philippines. This thread I think is appropriate to post in the local Philippines forum since its legal in their country but are not legal in some other places like US.  I think this is also legal in Indonesia and some other Asian countries.

I can understand the suggestion to delete though. Maybe its best to move only the thread to Philippines. I think they have been talking about cockfighting in the forum, I have seen a thread about it.

[Helena Yu]

I am not defending cockfighting or anything but if we follow the US regulation a lot of online casinos that are advertising here would not be allowed since a lot of them do not have US licenses to operate their casinos which makes them illegal right?

You're not entirely correct, it's true the casino need to have authorization or licenses from the US in order to be legal, the casino without US licenses is "not legal", but technically they didn't declare it as illegal, so it's still in grey area.

There's a difference between explicitly illegal and not legal.

They are saying its meant for Filipinos who are from, Philippines. This thread I think is appropriate to post in the local Philippines forum since its legal in their country but are not legal in some other places like US.  I think this is also legal in Indonesia and some other Asian countries.

I can understand the suggestion to delete though. Maybe its best to move only the thread to Philippines. I think they have been talking about cockfighting in the forum, I have seen a thread about it.

I don't think the forum allow that, yeah discussing about illegal thing are allowed, but not about promoting or facilitate it.

[Alone055]

I know chicken lives matter also, but I have seen birds fighting and killing each other in nature and cities all the time.

To be honest, I have never seen chickens fighting with each other and killing each other in a natural fight, and even if they do, it doesn't mean it is ethical for humans to force them to fight each other until one of them dies. It's an unethical sport and this is the reason why it's illegal in most parts of the world other than a few countries and too in the rural areas where authorities don't do searches and stuff very often.

When we talk about fighting sports such as MMA and boxing, we need to understand that when we, humans, do something, we do it by knowing the consequences and we are ready to take the risks involved in that sport only because either we like doing it or there is some other reason attached, but we are not forced. So, if humans face injuries and even more severe consequences for playing such a sport, it's their own responsibility.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

In Spain, some people enjoy watching bullfights, which are also popular in some Central and South American countries.

I for one am glad I haven't seen threads on the forum about it because it's a lot less glamorous than it may seem at first glance. The bulls are drugged and stunned before they go into the arena so they are in far from ideal fighting condition. In fact, in the last 40 years only two bullfighters in Spain have died in the bullring.

It is not the same all over the world, though, for example in Portugal they do not kill them.

But for me to fully agree with the OP he should change the title to ‘animal bloodsports’, because in human fights at least there is consent, as mentioned.

[Findingnemo]

When we talk about fighting sports such as MMA and boxing, we need to understand that when we, humans, do something, we do it by knowing the consequences and we are ready to take the risks involved in that sport only because either we like doing it or there is some other reason attached, but we are not forced. So, if humans face injuries and even more severe consequences for playing such a sport, it's their own responsibility.

As much as I hate the blood so there's no difference between cock fighting each other versus humans, we can debate that humans do with their consciousness still it's a cruel thing because in real life we don't allow someone to hit us cause which is crime by laws so if that sport is allowed then why don't we support the cock fighting?

I am not sure if this is true or false but these animals involved in these sports is a way of finding the superior gene so the one who win will be selected for breeding purpose so the upcoming chickens will be healthy and nutritious so following this we can have the superior quality of chicken for meat or other purposes.

[alani123]

It's been a few days and no staff response neither the thread being deleted.

So long as there isn't either it seems to me like the forum tolerated profit being made on animal fightst.
I would say it's disappointing but then again the choice not to comment makes it even worse. I'd hope the delay to hear anything is about a potential official policy being formed but maybe I am a bit of a dreamer.

Maybe though it seems like the forum is ok allowing ads on platforms that profit from something illegal in all states? Hopefully no.

[KingsDen]

It's been a few days and no staff response neither the thread being deleted.

So long as there isn't either it seems to me like the forum tolerated profit being made on animal fightst.
I would say it's disappointing but then again the choice not to comment makes it even worse. I'd hope the delay to hear anything is about a potential official policy being formed but maybe I am a bit of a dreamer.

Maybe though it seems like the forum is ok allowing ads on platforms that profit from something illegal in all states? Hopefully no.

That's how I have seen the forum function for many years now. It could be that moderators have separate board, such that when some delicate matters arise, they will brainstorm and know it it's in their justification or power to answer lol. If not, they'll choose to be mute until an admin answers. Sometimes, they will choose to reply like an ordinary forum user and not on the platform of authority.

Maybe this time, you will have an answer. Don't let that bother you much, maybe no cock will die before you'll get a response.

[Eternad]

They are saying its meant for Filipinos who are from, Philippines. This thread I think is appropriate to post in the local Philippines forum since its legal in their country but are not legal in some other places like US.  I think this is also legal in Indonesia and some other Asian countries.

I can understand the suggestion to delete though. Maybe its best to move only the thread to Philippines. I think they have been talking about cockfighting in the forum, I have seen a thread about it.

This doesn’t make sense looking at legality of certain operations to US since the casino itself doesn’t accept US citizens. This forum is for discussion purposes not the service itself.

If we follow this logic, all ICO, IEO and other services such as Binance should get banned here since they are not allowed to operate in US except with their Binance.us branch.

I think the only issue about this topic is about animal cruelty not legality to justify the ban. This is different to mixers since it involves money laundering which is a universal crime.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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it disgusts me more to watch Power Slap, this new trending sport, than this cockfight, watching two grown-up adults slapping each other, which could cause harm to the person's health to be included as a sport
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Guess you've never heard of boxing, MMA, seen the movie Fight Club?  

Man, if two consenting adults bitch-slapping each other back to Bangkok disgusts you more so than higher-brained beings (humans) forcing animals to mutilate and kill each other, I'm just saying you probably ought to reevaluate those delicate sensibilities of yours.  Either that or you're just writing some blah-blah-blah.

This is a global forum, and it's already been mentioned that cockfighting isn't illegal in other countries.  I'd support any proposed ban on members somehow promoting the activity to happen within the US, but I don't think that's what's going on.  I've seen plenty of threads in the gambling section about cockfighting, and though many find it offensive (including myself) I wouldn't censor anyone from talking about it--even if they were a passionate participant in the 'sport'.

Just my thoughts about how despised forms of speech need to be protected in spite of feelings.  Now I'll go back and read the rest of the thread to see how much I just misspoke.  Lol.

[nutildah]

No razors in elite divisions but MMA fighters are using knees and elbows and there is lots of blood in each event.
Just look at the faces of Nate Diaz and his brother, they are full of scars  and there is always possibility that someone dies.

Yeah but the difference is people don't die in MMA, because if they did, it might not be around anymore. The cockfight doesn't stop until one or the other is FUBAR.

Not to forget the whole willingness and consent thing. Plus as I said earlier, the cocks don't know they have razors attached to them. It's actually a pretty fucked up "sport" if you stop to think about it.

Regardless, I don't think think the forum will prohibit threads about it or blacklist casinos that offer it, or any of that.

I have seen birds fighting and killing each other in nature and cities all the time.

Damn, where's that at. Sounds like some violent ass birds.

Guess you've never heard of boxing, MMA, seen the movie Fight Club?  

Hold up... You don't believe Fight Club was a documentary, do you 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hold up... You don't believe Fight Club was a documentary, do you 

No, no, no.  Lookie here, I've been awake now for longer than most medical interns are during their worst stretches--and I'm not even out there saving lives, I'm just spouting stuff off the top of my head here, and I just happened to think of that movie (which is one of my favorites).  I'm just saying, it's been known that human beings have a penchant for fisticuffs for fun or for money for a very long time now and thus Hazink's post had me scratching my exhausted head.

Any of that make sense?  It does to me, but I can't hardly tell what the outside world thinks....know what I'm saying?

[Helena Yu]

Yeah but the difference is people don't die in MMA, because if they did, it might not be around anymore.

You need to read this https://lockerroom.in/blog/view/MMA-Deaths-UFC

This doesn’t make sense looking at legality of certain operations to US since the casino itself doesn’t accept US citizens. This forum is for discussion purposes not the service itself.

If we follow this logic, all ICO, IEO and other services such as Binance should get banned here since they are not allowed to operate in US except with their Binance.us branch.

I think the only issue about this topic is about animal cruelty not legality to justify the ban. This is different to mixers since it involves money laundering which is a universal crime.

The US not explicitly ban crypto casino.

ICO, IEO and other services that now allowed to operate in the US doesn't mean they're illegal, the US not explicitly ban these services.

Mixers aren't always involves money laundering, moreover the US also not explicitly ban mixers, it just theymos playing safe for ban it earlier.

[Eternad]

This doesn’t make sense looking at legality of certain operations to US since the casino itself doesn’t accept US citizens. This forum is for discussion purposes not the service itself.

If we follow this logic, all ICO, IEO and other services such as Binance should get banned here since they are not allowed to operate in US except with their Binance.us branch.

I think the only issue about this topic is about animal cruelty not legality to justify the ban. This is different to mixers since it involves money laundering which is a universal crime.

The US not explicitly ban crypto casino.

ICO, IEO and other services that now allowed to operate in the US doesn't mean they're illegal, the US not explicitly ban these services.

Mixers aren't always involves money laundering, moreover the US also not explicitly ban mixers, it just theymos playing safe for ban it earlier.

I honestly confused to this statement. If a service is not allowed to operate on US which means they are illegal. It’s always just legal or illegal hence this restricted services should be operating already in there due to profit on US customers.

Anyway, I don’t want to extend the discussion about legality of other services since it might get off-topic. I’m with you guys about banning this cock fight ever since due to animal cruelty.

It’s just hard to justify the ban of this service since mixer case is much serious compared to this small time illegal game that only operates in PH. I will try my best to report this provider to Pagcor which is the one who regulate this kind of game in my country to stop it here.



The provider itself is illegal.

[alani123]

Legality is only one thing and I feel like it has o be a focus point in this discussion because the forum is also operating through the US due to its administration and infrastructure, with no plans to go rogue to avoid US jurisdiction.

But even aside of the law, we have to think of ethics. If the Philippines sanctions cock fights, does that make them ethical and non violent? The very point of these fights is to take home a dead rooster. Oftentimes it is one of the rewards to take the dead rooster home for eating or whatever. The animals are specifically startled to be more aggressive.

If this was done to humans everyone would be outraged. So the comparison doesn't really apply when we say there have been a few deaths in sanctioned fights too. There were deaths in football too, does that mean it's equally brutal? No.

Anyway, fingers crossed staff sees the irony so we no longer have to plead about what should be common sense.

If I'm not mistaken it even used to be a quiet rule that such promotion was banned but it seems to have stopped being enforced at some point.

[Alone055]

Yeah but the difference is people don't die in MMA, because if they did, it might not be around anymore.

You need to read this https://lockerroom.in/blog/view/MMA-Deaths-UFC

People dying by accident and being killed by intent are two different things. I wouldn't say that combat sports aren't dangerous, but when we say that people don't die in them, it means that the sport isn't played on the rule that one of the fighters has to die for the game to end, which is what happens in cockfighting, mostly.

I can bring you lists of people dying in so many sports; there have been a lot of incidents where players died on a football field during a match due to collisions or tackles, etc. The thing is, these are accidents, and the rules of the game don't involve anything like that.