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February 04, 2025, 07:02:33 PM
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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.

Is 2% or 5% profit impossible to be archived by a trader on a daily?

Obviously they would be neutral tags (for shitposting and misleading people) but I can imagine people complaining on this section and sending me PMs to remove them.

I basically explain to them why it's not like that and they still insist that it's easy for a trader to get 2-5% daily. I have based my rebuttal on the 2% daily scenario but to claim, and insist, that it is easy to get 5% daily in trading is to be an asshole basically.

Of course none of them have provided evidence that they are getting that ‘easy’ profitability.

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February 04, 2025, 07:07:49 PM
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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.

Is 2% or 5% profit impossible to be archived by a trader on a daily?

Obviously they would be neutral tags (for shitposting and misleading people) but I can imagine people complaining on this section and sending me PMs to remove them.

I basically explain to them why it's not like that and they still insist that it's easy for a trader to get 2-5% daily. I have based my rebuttal on the 2% daily scenario but to claim, and insist, that it is easy to get 5% daily in trading is to be an asshole basically.

Of course none of them have provided evidence that they are getting that ‘easy’ profitability.


Nothing wrong with asking proof of their "methods".

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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February 04, 2025, 07:19:19 PM
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I think it is inappropriate to tag people for their opinions. However, You say you will be tagging them because they are shitposting, maybe you should open your eyes more because 90% of the daily posts are shit posts. If you scare people like that soon the forum will be abandoned completely. There are probably no more than 100 daily active posters lately and being hostile against low quality posters won’t improve the situation.

If they are in a sig camp, their manager has already made up his mind on their post quality. Your tag won’t affect their decision.

Also trust ratings should be about trade/business. Them being low quality posters tell nothing about their trustworthiness.

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February 04, 2025, 07:19:46 PM
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If you tag people for what they post that is not related to scam, you need to be removed from DT because you do not know what DT is used for.

But let us put that aside. Can you and I bet $50 and let us try if it will work or not. I will trade $100 for 20 days. If I make $40 which is 2% in 20 days, you will give me $50. But if I lose or did not make up to 2% daily ($40), I will send you $50. Let the payment be in bitcoin.

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February 04, 2025, 08:04:53 PM
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This is a forum with at least some level of free speech, which is why you shouldn't take everything you read online as 100% true without doing your research.
Tagging people for comments in a forum is quite inappropriate and you should be removed from DT for proposing possible abuse against other forum members.
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February 04, 2025, 08:10:10 PM
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Did he asked anyone to send money to learn the trick of making 2-5% via day trading then it can be considered as scam attempt and deserving a tag...

But on this matter he is just sharing his experience and who knows he is constantly making 2% on day trading.

If you start tagging users for bringing such discussions, then you may need to read LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

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February 04, 2025, 08:39:32 PM
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You want to tag someone for giving his opinion in a forum like this? Those comments are not financial advice but personal opinions and they never request for individuals to invest in them but might just arouse the curiosity of the readers to study harder in a bid to hitting that target. I don't think this is worth giving out tag as that might be conceived as abuse of the DT role. As someone that like HODL more than trading that I consider too risky, will it be fair for me to start tagging people who support trading, an opinion different from mine?

If you tag people for what they post that is not related to scam, you need to be removed from DT because you do not know what DT is used for.

But let us put that aside. Can you and I bet $50 and let us try if it will work or not. I will trade $100 for 20 days. If I make $40 which is 2% in 20 days, you will give me $50. But if I lose or did not make up to 2% daily ($40), I will send you $50. Let the payment be in bitcoin.
This is a practical demonstration of what he is trying to tag people for. I will be very disappointed if he fail to take up this bet. Let someone be proven right or wrong.

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February 04, 2025, 08:42:23 PM
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The Good thing is you brought it forward before going through with it.
I don't really a reason to give people tags on their opinions.
I'm not a fan of trading nor a fan of meme coins doesn't mean I will have to go around imposing it on others or giving tags.
They stated something which may or may not be wrong
At least they didn't share a link that could be branded suspicious.



P.S I saw a thread that Don Pedro Dinero Should be removed from DT and I was like "Whyyyyy" until I saw this thread but still believe it hasn't gotten to that extent.
You haven't even gone through with it.

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February 04, 2025, 10:17:08 PM
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No need to be extreme  Grin

Once in a while you will see good opinions, neutral ones or bad ones. It doesn't mean you should just tag about anyone for airing out their opinions even if they look stupid to you. But if the person is trying to scam someone using a false narrative. Please do tag them! This is the main reason the trust feedback system is there.

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Tags on the forums trust network are intended for trace. If someone offers a service that is misleading they are warranted for a neutral tag in my opinion. If they scam you, it's a red trust rating for them for sure.

But remember trust isn't regulated so if you feel like someone deserves a comment on their trust page for whatever reason, nobody can do anything. You can go right ahead and tag them. Someone simply being uneducated in trading principles is pretty pedestrian conversation though. It's also their right to be dumb. Does that negste their chances of being a honest trader? Dumb people can actually be very kindhearted aside of their beliefs.

Ultimately it's entirely up to you. I personally wouldn't tag anyone for having a bad take unless they're marketing somethin misleading along with their take. But you're free to do it if you feel like tagging is warranted.

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I’m not trying to defend these shit posters that want you to tag but these users doesn’t owe you an explanation. Just like when someone is waiting for your response and you didnt do anything. I’m not DT but since this thread is not self moderated I’m allowed to post my opinion just like your thread that anybody is allowed to post. If you think that someone commented on your thread that wasn’t related to the topic you can report it to the moderator.

But to be honest you can tag this user if you want to, its always up to you. That’s make the DT more decentralize.

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giving tags for this would be way overboard, imo. and an incorrect way of using the trust system.

people are free to say whatever they want, even if it's bullshit.
you and others have already called them out on the nonsense, i think that's enough.

 
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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.

Is 2% or 5% profit impossible to be archived by a trader on a daily?

Obviously they would be neutral tags (for shitposting and misleading people) but I can imagine people complaining on this section and sending me PMs to remove them.

I basically explain to them why it's not like that and they still insist that it's easy for a trader to get 2-5% daily. I have based my rebuttal on the 2% daily scenario but to claim, and insist, that it is easy to get 5% daily in trading is to be an asshole basically.

Of course none of them have provided evidence that they are getting that ‘easy’ profitability.
I believe you know how to use the trust system, but you are just seeking validation. I'll drop my few cents.

  • If you see a particular trader who claims they make 5% profit daily and they created thread for it in other to lure naive investors to scam, you are free to leave a neutral trust. This is what The free market capitalist call the preventive measure.
  • But if it is only about a debate in a generic thread, handing a neutral tag will mean you are using your DT power to suppress others and influence their opinion, which is pretty what a few DT members do here. I don't find that to be a good way to use the DT strength.

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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.

You could also ask them to clarify what they mean.     It's easy to get a 5% return on a single day but it's also easy to lose that 5%.  What do they mean by easy?  (Is language an issue?)  Unless you outright state it's a ponzi, like OgNasty did, you cannot easily get that return "daily".  So they are being dishonest if they state luck is a matter of skill.     Maybe try a quick education campaign first, and then you'd have more support to enforce.  If they are promising fortunes by just plugging their preferred platform, then that is deception, and is not trustworthy behaviour.

People today are so easily hurt.  Why2why, a junior member with 49 posts, feels he has community equality with you and that you must treat him with the same respect you would give a Legendary.   He obviously does not, as we Legendaries have earned our positions through the trials and tribulations of our years.   And if one does not respect that rank, then why would one want to make a reputation here?

In this case, I think OP did the correct thing by asking for advice.   He's free to act either way, as it's just a neutral, but we all need to remember trust inflation - the more you leave, the less valuable they appear to others. 

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I also wouldn't give out tags for this.

The difference in whether or not returns are generated via scam is if they are fixed, consistent, or varying.

Fixed = the biggest red flag.
Consistent = maybe they know what they're doing.
Varying = the most honest response... "We may make money, but there's a chance we could lose it as well."

In the thread in question, the OP could be referring to an average across weeks, months, or years. They didn't say anything about the return being compounded daily; just that they could do trades that would leave them with a 2% to 5% gain over their initial position.

To claim you can do this every single day is sketchy. But to claim this is your average over a year could be reasonable.

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I would say such post should be reported and let moderators decide to delete it or not, there's a rule where this forum not accepting low value post.

I agree it's bullshit for people who saying easy to make 2%-5% daily, I do make 10% in a day, but right now I'm in floating loss for 15%. But, it's not something that we need to give tags even it's neutral.

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From my experience in trading, making 2% - 5% profit every day is very possible but people that would have a good advantage over such small profit are those traders that are trading with a large capital like $100k - $1m.

Since I started trading, if my profit target was just, 5%, then I would not close any trade in lose. Perhaps I take just two trade per day. What's you experience?

I want to hear your opinion on this.

Even I, who is dead against short-term/day trading and even tried to prove that, not seeing anything wrong worth tagging. I mean, sure, I do not believe that it is possible to sustain 2%-5% daily profits, but if anyone believes so, he is free to chase, after all, your money your choice.
It would be a problem (worth tagging) when someone asks for investments promising hyper-realistic returns which in this case, is totally absent.
This is a case where you can change the narrative of the thread by giving arguments/evidence in your favor rather than opening a different dedicated thread.     

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Obviously they would be neutral tags (for shitposting and misleading people) but I can imagine people complaining on this section and sending me PMs to remove them.

Oh, you'd better believe your inbox would be flooded with such requests--assuming the affected members happened to notice a neutral, which some often don't.  That's never a good reason not to leave a critical neutral or a flat-out negative feedback but in this case I'm not sure anything needs to be written on anybody's trust page because they think they can make the return you mentioned.

I'd imagine some traders (good/lucky ones) would have no difficulty making bank, especially when the crypto market is extremely volatile.  True, there could be some idiots in that thread just talking out of their ass, i.e., shitposting in order to get paid and making claims that aren't true, but if I were going to tag any of them my comments would reference the low value of their posts and not the gnarly profit they say they can/do/could make.

Better yet, if you've got the time and inclination you could check some of their post histories and see if they've got a pattern of writing pure crap.  Should that the case, handing out a neutral for being a chronic shitposter would be a good thing, especially if any campaign managers wound up seeing it and denied them a spot because of it.  That doesn't seem to happen very often, though.

Since I haven't actually checked out the posts in question I think I'll do that now.  Why not end the night with some frustrating and perhaps rage-inducing reading.  There's always plenty of both in 90% of threads, and it's been that way for years and years, so...

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February 05, 2025, 09:00:04 AM
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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.
How will that tag even be written and how will someone defend themselves from such feedback?
Whether someone makes 2% or even 5% daily from trading, is not a matter of the forum at all and should not affect the reputation here.
In the lending section, you have one trader who has been taking a loan for months, paying about 10%, sometimes even for a short period, so he must be making more profit than that, otherwise he would not be able to repay the loan.

Otherwise, the market has been mostly in the green for several months now, so I would say that 2% from the trade is not difficult to make even for a less experienced trader.

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February 05, 2025, 09:13:06 AM
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I'm about to start handing out tags to people in the following thread who say it's easy to get 2-5% daily returns from trading.
This comes to mind:
Should never have put the temporary illusion of safety above personal liberty..
ie tagging and chasing away “likely scammers” ~
This forum started acting like protecting idiots is more important than letting users express their free wills..
How many countless good and intelligent users have been chased away because they “might” scam..

And this:
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.



TL;DR: I wouldn't tag users for this.

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