Is DeepSeek something to worry about?

[virasog]

Deepseek really is an amazing project developed by China and it has made a tremendous hit in AI community   but it's impact on the economy is what needs to be studied intensely
It's impact is far reaching resulting in job market complications and global market competition

DeepSeek has put another competition in the chatbots, and it is good the competition will grow even further, ultimately benefiting us humans. The race is on as we see the news today that Elon Musk's company, xAI, has released their Grok 3 AI. He claims it to be the most effective one. xAI’s Grok 3 Crushes Competition, Becomes Smartest AI Yet.

I think we should be exciting to see the advancements / progress in artificial intelligence. Also with companies like Deep Seek and xAI coming up in the competition to OpenAI in the coming days. It will be interesting to see how well these models become with advanced research and development.

[retreat]

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What concerned me, though, isn't the economic threat or the supposed drop in the cryptocurrency market, but a video I saw a few days ago on Instagram and TikTok, showing that traffic is being sent to China and on Alibaba Cloud. On the one hand, it sounds plausible because their servers are situated there, right? On the other hand, though, it is possible that it's sending our personal data.

Don't AI platforms collect data into their own databases? Whether it's Deepseek, ChatGPT, Copilot, or other AI platforms, they all take data from their users and process it in their systems to be able to provide the best answers to users. So if you use Deepseek or ChatGPT or other AI platforms, then you can't avoid that your data will be sent to their database. But as long as you don't send your sensitive data such as your name, credit card number, or other data, it shouldn't be a problem. Or if you are still suspicious of that, you can use another AI platform that you trust more.

[WatChe]

you are not the only one, mate some people have also been experiencing troubles with deepseek where they have to restart the platform because it just stops working seems like it’s become slow nowadays

i am sure they are going to improve on this later on but for now chatgpt may be the more superior one

ChatGPT is quite mature product as compared to DeepSeek since it's launched almost 2 years ago. I too experienced this issue with DeepSeek while trying to create a signature for bitcointalk but after that it's working smooth. We can give leverage to DeepSeek for this because it's newly launched but once the probation period is over there is no roam for such mistakes. If DeepSeek continue collapsing like that then already there is free and stable AI chatbot in the market aka ChatGPT.

[Lucius]

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That's a very tough question. At the moment, we don't know how thinks are formed but we know that hormones like dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, testosterone, estrogens and others significantly affect our thinking but what forms thoughts, that's still unknown. They say that neurons fire up but what's the reason that this certain thought came to my mind? We don't know that and that's the most interesting part. How can we create an artificial intelligence? How can a computer have dopamine, serotonin and other hormones?
If we ever manage to truly learn our brain and understand how thoughts are formed and manage to and manage to successfully transplant head, then I think we will be able to create a real artificial intelligence but I'm sure, at that point, we will also manage to become immortals too.
In life, everything is possible, we just need time, lots of time and peace.

I think that what we mere mortals see from AI is only the tip of the iceberg, and that the development has gone much further, especially when it comes to the military industry and those who deal with surveillance. As you say yourself, anything is possible, and humans obviously have some kind of self-destructive gene, because we are the only living beings on this planet who work against that same planet and ourselves under the pretext of doing something positive.

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I've been sick the past few days and didn't reply as much as I wanted, so I'm catching up now. That's my major concern as well. Within approximately the past two years, the advance of AI has been tremendous. In my opinion, seeing it is worrisome. It can create whole videos from scratch that look extremely lifelike and don't get me started on how advanced photo editing has become with it. I'm certain that from now on, we'll start doubting if what we're seeing is real or not.

The scary thing is what you mentioned, there's a race to develop the best AI, meaning that more and more advanced versions are going to keep coming up, till we'll see those science fiction movies become real life (see Subservience, an AI robot maid etc.).

Exactly what you mention, even today we cannot be 100% sure whether a text, image or video, or even an object is the work of a human or artificial intelligence. Given the speed of technological progress, this will probably be impossible in 5-10 years.

I'm watching that series, and it's very interesting, although I wonder if something like that would ever be possible, I don't understand why anyone would agree to have their mind split between personal life and work. It's just a crazy idea, although some would be happy to forget about their job when their shift ends

[dezoel]

Grok has done some specific thing very well, and I mean very very well, better than any other AI has ever done, but it is not an overall AI that is better yet, it is not the best, it is best at "something" and not everything. If you were to look for overall, it is still by far openAI at the moment.

I am sure that xAI will work on grok even more, and try to do what they have done in all other areas and try to copy their success, they have the blueprint now, and all they need is a lot more work of the same thing for many other avenues. Meanwhile, openAI moved away from trying to do the math heavy part, which is fine there too, but they are trying to literally make their AI "reason", and that is the part that's so successful at the moment, instead of having data and calculations, we are talking about an AI that can "think", to a point obviously, but nobody else comes close to them at that area.

[Synchronice]

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That's a very tough question. At the moment, we don't know how thinks are formed but we know that hormones like dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, testosterone, estrogens and others significantly affect our thinking but what forms thoughts, that's still unknown. They say that neurons fire up but what's the reason that this certain thought came to my mind? We don't know that and that's the most interesting part. How can we create an artificial intelligence? How can a computer have dopamine, serotonin and other hormones?
If we ever manage to truly learn our brain and understand how thoughts are formed and manage to and manage to successfully transplant head, then I think we will be able to create a real artificial intelligence but I'm sure, at that point, we will also manage to become immortals too.
In life, everything is possible, we just need time, lots of time and peace.

I think that what we mere mortals see from AI is only the tip of the iceberg, and that the development has gone much further, especially when it comes to the military industry and those who deal with surveillance. As you say yourself, anything is possible, and humans obviously have some kind of self-destructive gene, because we are the only living beings on this planet who work against that same planet and ourselves under the pretext of doing something positive.

There is a chance that you are right about that but I think that in such a competitive market, there isn't much hidden (I completely agree with military part). Anything is possible but we don't have self-destructive gene, the problem is that we are the only smart species on planet earth and we don't follow our instincts, we can ignore instincts and do the different thing. We aren't the only issue when it comes to actions against this planet, there are many other species that harm the planet too, including the ocean but this world is very interesting. It feels like everything is possible and here for us to discover. Who could imagine electricity a few decades ago? Who could imagine a smartphone? Who could imagine gene mutation? It feels like a cheatcode in the world.

Did you see the news about Majorana 1? With the real advancement of AI and the successful development of Quantum Computers, I think we really might become immortals.

[Ultegra134]

ChatGPT is quite mature product as compared to DeepSeek since it's launched almost 2 years ago. I too experienced this issue with DeepSeek while trying to create a signature for bitcointalk but after that it's working smooth. We can give leverage to DeepSeek for this because it's newly launched but once the probation period is over there is no roam for such mistakes. If DeepSeek continue collapsing like that then already there is free and stable AI chatbot in the market aka ChatGPT.

I agree, ChatGPT has been around for sometime compared to DeepSeek, which is a completely new product. I've been using it for the past few days for some assistance for my master thesis and I'm quite satisfied so far. However, I did receive an error that the server was busy multiple times, something which I haven't encountered with ChatGPT. It's not a huge issue if it happens once or twice, but it lasted quite some time and disrupted me from what I was doing.

Exactly what you mention, even today we cannot be 100% sure whether a text, image or video, or even an object is the work of a human or artificial intelligence. Given the speed of technological progress, this will probably be impossible in 5-10 years.

I'm watching that series, and it's very interesting, although I wonder if something like that would ever be possible, I don't understand why anyone would agree to have their mind split between personal life and work. It's just a crazy idea, although some would be happy to forget about their job when their shift ends

Well, AI already successfully fools a lot of people, many have fallen victims of scams or are unable to distinguish that what they're seeing has been generated from a computer. I can only imagine how that's going to change in the next few years.

[Lucius]

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Did you see the news about Majorana 1? With the real advancement of AI and the successful development of Quantum Computers, I think we really might become immortals.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that, but it's interesting that decades of what was just theory were able to be put into practice. Still, I always wonder how much such technology will really help the common man, and how much will it actually hinder him. When you talk about immortality, I'm sure that the most expensive technologies and drugs that will be able to extend an individual's life will remain inaccessible to 99% of the people in the world - because if you look at the poorest countries in the world, people are still dying from diseases that practically disappeared in developed countries a few decades ago.

I hope that immortality will never become a reality, because can you imagine that the people who shape the world today (and for the most part they are the bad guys) live forever or maybe twice as long as the average person?

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Well, AI already successfully fools a lot of people, many have fallen victims of scams or are unable to distinguish that what they're seeing has been generated from a computer. I can only imagine how that's going to change in the next few years.

You see, those who push AI say that it is development and progress, but they never cared that their "product" has very serious harmful effects not only on individuals, but also on society as a whole. I hope that a dose of common sense will remain outside the AI ​​circle and that they will do everything possible to at least enable people who do not want this technology to not have to use it.

[STT]

people are still dying from diseases that practically disappeared in developed countries a few decades ago.

Same for hunger and famine, largely its a result of war and countries controlled by those with guns.  In many cases they will attack those who try to cure the diseases, this isn't a new problem unfortunately its been the case for decades that humans cause death purposely for many reasons and a variety of methods.

We're still not sure if the last pandemic was naturally occurring or arranged, developed and released.   I tend to agree disease will still occur and the unfair imbalance to the worlds population but technology does help enable at least a few more then normally would have been able; I see that positive increasing further.

[Churchillvv]

I worry about my identity and footprints on the internet generally and not just deepseek having my datas afterall all other companies have my datas already what difference does it make only that Deepseek is Chinese and ChatGPT is American so if I could give up my datas for Chatgpt why can't I just worry less about Deepseek.

Anyways the only reason I see that caused the market to crash was as a result of the stocks are mostly dependent on USA jurisdiction so whatever seems to be a threat or the USA considers a threat automatically becomes a threat to the economy generally so that lead to the immediate effect of Deepseek in the market.

[Smack That Ace]

I worry about my identity and footprints on the internet generally and not just deepseek having my datas afterall all other companies have my datas already what difference does it make only that Deepseek is Chinese and ChatGPT is American so if I could give up my datas for Chatgpt why can't I just worry less about Deepseek.

One disease that many users around the world are suffering from is that they feel satisfied and safe when using tools, products, applications...labeled as originating from the United States. On the contrary, they will react negatively if they know that the application comes from China. But people don't know whether that product or app is from the US or China, they will collect user data and use it without asking for user permission.

I have never seen anyone asking or complaining about whether chatGPT collects our data or not and whether it poses any threat. Meanwhile, the advent of Deepseek, which made things more competitive and brought many benefits to users, was met with skepticism and hatred. It is clear that people have been and are being brainwashed and led by the Western media without even knowing it.

[Synchronice]

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Did you see the news about Majorana 1? With the real advancement of AI and the successful development of Quantum Computers, I think we really might become immortals.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know about that, but it's interesting that decades of what was just theory were able to be put into practice. Still, I always wonder how much such technology will really help the common man, and how much will it actually hinder him. When you talk about immortality, I'm sure that the most expensive technologies and drugs that will be able to extend an individual's life will remain inaccessible to 99% of the people in the world - because if you look at the poorest countries in the world, people are still dying from diseases that practically disappeared in developed countries a few decades ago.

I hope that immortality will never become a reality, because can you imagine that the people who shape the world today (and for the most part they are the bad guys) live forever or maybe twice as long as the average person?

I think that before the end of 21st century, we will be advanced enough to have a highly developed robots and software. I believe that before the end of 21st century, there will be no need of drivers and every car will be automatic, there will be no need of workers in restaurants, in hotels, in warehouses, in delivery and so on. There will be AIs instead of software developers. Overall, there will be less demand on human resources. I think that probably more than one half of population won't be necessary in companies for work but the next question is, what happens to this people? I remember there was a talk about that in Norway or somewhere in Scandinavian country. There will be pension for everyone and that's how people will live but I'm afraid life will not be that simply. There will probably be riches, educated and robots (poors are just excessive in this case).

By the way, a few weeks ago, Putin has officially confirmed that he gives order Russian scientists to do everything to prolong life expectancy [Source ¹].

[Lucius]

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I think that probably more than one half of population won't be necessary in companies for work but the next question is, what happens to this people? I remember there was a talk about that in Norway or somewhere in Scandinavian country. There will be pension for everyone and that's how people will live but I'm afraid life will not be that simply. There will probably be riches, educated and robots (poors are just excessive in this case).

Maybe some rich countries will be able to afford to pay people to do nothing, but I don't think that will be feasible on a global scale. This is where those who advocate the depopulation of the planet come into play, so the question remains how they will do it - maybe a new pandemic with a virus that will have a mortality rate of around 50%?

By the way, a few weeks ago, Putin has officially confirmed that he gives order Russian scientists to do everything to prolong life expectancy [Source ¹].

It's incredible what a hypocrite a man can be - because he sends hundreds of thousands people to die in a war of conquest - and at the same time wants to prolong life expectancy in his own country. They say their average life expectancy has dropped to the level of 2017 - I wonder what the reason is - if they don't know, they should ask AI (of course this Chinese one, because Western sources never tell the truth).

[bitgolden]

AI itself looks and feels like something to worry about, to most people at least. I am not worried about it, but I can understand why people could be worried about it.

The whole "AI will take over the world" part makes no sense to me, but they could take over many jobs and that could cause a lot of bosses to end up firing people and replacing them with robots and AI or even maybe Robots with AI, so that would be a lot more troublesome and we should be considering this as a bigger deal but it is still not going to end up being end of humanity type of deal, maybe we would get poorer, and maybe we will not populate the world as much, but eventually it will balance itself out and we are going to get used to it with time as well.

[WatChe]

AI itself looks and feels like something to worry about, to most people at least. I am not worried about it, but I can understand why people could be worried about it.

The whole "AI will take over the world" part makes no sense to me, but they could take over many jobs and that could cause a lot of bosses to end up firing people and replacing them with robots and AI or even maybe Robots with AI, so that would be a lot more troublesome and we should be considering this as a bigger deal but it is still not going to end up being end of humanity type of deal, maybe we would get poorer, and maybe we will not populate the world as much, but eventually it will balance itself out and we are going to get used to it with time as well.

Same was said during time of industrial revolution that machines will take over human jobs and human will become jobless. Companies no doubt are firing there human workforce due to AI these days but we have seen companies firing there human manpower due to economic recession back in 2008.

In past 5 to 10 years we have seen different employment opportunities that never existed before like anyone with bike or car can earn through online taxi service, anyone who has property can earn by renting out his property by using platform like AirBnB, anyone with mobile or laptop can earn through freelance platform like upwork.

Even if AI take most of jobs which humans are doing these days, we will see more frontiers opening up for humans to earn since that's how nature balance out everything.

[Sticky Bomb]

What are your thoughts? Is it an economic threat? Do you also believe that it's collecting any data we submit to it?

Of course it's obvious they're collecting such data, even more than Open AI. I think this comparison is between open AI and deepseek. Firstly deepseek is open source and far cheaper than Open AI and I'm not surprised since China has been known for cheap labor and costs compared to US, and yes Deepseek collected data, just like OpenAI and it's projected to compete furiously and even lower OpenAI stakes in the language models clients base.

Although I don't use it yet, most of my friends praise it a lot and mentioned that it's more detailed and effective than Open AI.

[UNTO Chain]

I don't know much about DeepSeek, but I do know that it's an open-source AI model developed by OpenAI. It is similar to ChatGPT and GPT-4 in terms of its capabilities, but it lacks certain features like the ability to generate images or code. As for whether it poses a threat to the US economy, I would say no. The main reason behind this is that DeepSeek doesn't have access to as many resources as large companies like Google or Microsoft, which means they cannot compete on the same level when it comes to developing new technologies at scale. Additionally, since DeepSeek is open source, anyone can use it without paying anything - meaning there will always be someone who could create better versions faster than those big corporations ever could! Finally, if you look into what happened during 2018/19 where Facebook was accused of selling user information (and subsequently fined), then surely we should all start worrying more about our privacy rather than just focusing solely upon technology giants' profits!