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March 01, 2025, 11:15:31 AM
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I don’t care who started it, we just need peace ASAP. Zelensky can not continue this war without the US funding it. JD Vance & Trump were ride yesterday but Zelensky needs to make a peace deal, even if it is not all on his terms. He is sending young men to did every day, he needs to concede territory & sign a peace deal because this war will never be won by Ukraine. The EU can not & will not do enough to help him.
Zelensky doesn't wanna to give up 50% of the countries minerals or whatever which IMO is crazy. The USA has spent 300 billion dollars protecting or helping protect the Ukraine also sending weapons and vehicles, why shouldn't they seek some sort of reimbursement? Maybe they could broker some sort of deal that the USA gets some mineral rights until fully reimbursed for this help or something along those lines. I think it's completely insane to expect unlimited funds forever.

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March 01, 2025, 11:30:57 AM
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I don’t care who started it, we just need peace ASAP. Zelensky can not continue this war without the US funding it. JD Vance & Trump were ride yesterday but Zelensky needs to make a peace deal, even if it is not all on his terms. He is sending young men to did every day, he needs to concede territory & sign a peace deal because this war will never be won by Ukraine. The EU can not & will not do enough to help him.
Zelensky doesn't wanna to give up 50% of the countries minerals or whatever which IMO is crazy. The USA has spent 300 billion dollars protecting or helping protect the Ukraine also sending weapons and vehicles, why shouldn't they seek some sort of reimbursement? Maybe they could broker some sort of deal that the USA gets some mineral rights until fully reimbursed for this help or something along those lines. I think it's completely insane to expect unlimited funds forever.

zelenski has no negatives about the trade deal. infact it works in his benefit:
a. putin doesnt get the land
b. trump sends the same troops to protect the land on behalf of zelenski (as pacekeepers(with guns) instead of warriors(with guns))
c. america do all the prospecting, drilling mining at cost and then get their payout. and eventually zelenski get a nice income without paying anything upfront from tax payers
d. ukraine rebuilds with nice shiny skyscapers and modern stuff

but what zelenski was trying to say in the oval office was he wanted a secure guarantee contract that the protection will be there should putin push his luck. however trump didnt want it worded that way and took offence that zelenski made it sound like zelenski only wanted the troops on ground as a guarantee of protection if the war continued.

zelenski should have just bit his lip and just nodded in agreement with trump and smiled and thanked trump infront of media.. and then dispute/debate and negotiate terms of wording and needs, off camera.. and the world could have seen a trade and peace deal signed this week

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March 01, 2025, 02:22:42 PM
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Until the Oval Office realizes that the so-called land of Ukraine is really Zelensky-land, nobody can make any deals with Ukraine. The people in Ukraine who are fighting for Ukraine, don't realize that they are fighting for Zelensky. Similar w Trump and anybody else.

If a deal is made between Trump and Z, as soon as Z loses his country - by assassination or simply cancelling the martial law - the deal is nullified, and the whole thing has to start over with the next joker who takes office there.

Trump and Vance probably realize this, and so they realize that making deals with Z is useless or worse.

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March 01, 2025, 05:47:17 PM
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Until the Oval Office realizes that the so-called land of Ukraine is really Zelensky-land, nobody can make any deals with Ukraine. The people in Ukraine who are fighting for Ukraine, don't realize that they are fighting for Zelensky. Similar w Trump and anybody else.

If a deal is made between Trump and Z, as soon as Z loses his country - by assassination or simply cancelling the martial law - the deal is nullified, and the whole thing has to start over with the next joker who takes office there.

Trump and Vance probably realize this, and so they realize that making deals with Z is useless or worse.

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I heard of some high level of corruption going on in the Ukrainian army and some high ranking military officials have been sacked. But I still suspect that Zelensky is not clean from corrupt practices. But from my own assessment, he has done well in the war, giving Russia a good fight. Putin once believed that the war would end in three days. But Russia for the shock of their lives.

Nobody is fighting for Zelensky because Ukraine is not his property. Most people who are fighting have the belief that they are protecting their lands from an invasion. They are dying because it is a service to the motherland.

Trump and Vance never expected that the Ukrainian president would stand his ground in demanding security guarantees before signing any mineral for-support deal.

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March 01, 2025, 07:01:18 PM
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It is the beginning of the Block "wars"
USA, Nafta, Asian Free Trade Association and now Brics are forming. Only one has a military force.
1st comes the economical warfare, tariffs are their weapons, the extortion called ceasefire agreement.
 Who believes that a 16% of border is an encroachment will dance happily at a now 27% encroachment.
 
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2021/01/14/the-role-of-economic-warfare-in-understanding-contemporary-geopolitics/https://newbookrecommendation.com/summary-of-imperialism-the-highest-stage-of-capitalism-by-vladimir-lenin/

Nato spending pattern, the closer to Russia more happily the country raises its spending.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250213-in-nato-the-closer-to-russia-the-more-spent-on-defence


Trump and Vance never expected that the Ukrainian president would stand his ground in demanding security guarantees before signing any mineral for-support deal.

security guarantees: similar to the one giving in 1993?

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The English newspaper The Economist summarized this situation the best:


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In Ukraine, if the economist is listening well people:
Money talks:

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If the goal of Mr Trump and Mr Vance was to undermine the Ukrainian president’s support among ordinary citizens, it seems to have backfired, at least for now. Mr Zelensky’s emotional stand might have been unwise, but it has touched many in a nation hurting from war. Even those historically opposed to the president took to social media overnight to praise him for standing up for the country. Some Ukrainians have even started a collection for a nuclear bomb. Ukraine is not in any position to produce such a weapon even if it wanted to: it is a decade away from the facilities needed for enrichment. But that did not stop the pot reaching 22.75m hryvnia ($550,000) in the space of a few hours.

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March 01, 2025, 07:52:41 PM
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Zelensky doesn't wanna to give up 50% of the countries minerals or whatever which IMO is crazy. The USA has spent 300 billion dollars protecting or helping protect the Ukraine also sending weapons and vehicles, why shouldn't they seek some sort of reimbursement? Maybe they could broker some sort of deal that the USA gets some mineral rights until fully reimbursed for this help or something along those lines. I think it's completely insane to expect unlimited funds forever.
From where you guys are taking these 300 or 350 billion? Just because something come out of Trump's mouth, it doesn't automatically becomes fact. Ukraine didn't saw such money. Even combined aid from US and Europe doesn't reach such numbers. It's $118 billion:
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
And Zelensky don't want to give up his country minerals? How? C'mon, he was the one who proposed this deal. And obviously he wants security for his country if NATO doors is closed for Ukraine. But no, show him as someone who doesn't wants peace.

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The bitter part is that the common american will have to pay the price for such power play.
Already some countries are off limit for US Citizens.

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Zelensky doesn't wanna to give up 50% of the countries minerals or whatever which IMO is crazy. The USA has spent 300 billion dollars protecting or helping protect the Ukraine also sending weapons and vehicles, why shouldn't they seek some sort of reimbursement? Maybe they could broker some sort of deal that the USA gets some mineral rights until fully reimbursed for this help or something along those lines. I think it's completely insane to expect unlimited funds forever.
From where you guys are taking these 300 or 350 billion? Just because something come out of Trump's mouth, it doesn't automatically becomes fact. Ukraine didn't saw such money. Even combined aid from US and Europe doesn't reach such numbers. It's $118 billion:
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
And Zelensky don't want to give up his country minerals? How? C'mon, he was the one who proposed this deal. And obviously he wants security for his country if NATO doors is closed for Ukraine. But no, show him as someone who doesn't wants peace.

Just saying, but...

Russia has 10 to 100 times the minerals of Ukraine. The thing that Ukraine has is corruption where they do deals and allow inappropriate things and break contracts behind the backs of other people. This makes getting things done in Ukraine easier at times... if you can blackmail them into following their agreements. Putin and Russia don't act this corrupt way.

What you see when you hear of talk against Putin and Russia, is the media who is working with Ukraine, doing the same things that Ukraine is doing.

Expect to see the US sanctions against Russia lifted, because Russia is a far better and honest - to say nothing about godly - nation than Ukraine could ever even think of being.

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I don’t care who started it, we just need peace ASAP. Zelensky can not continue this war without the US funding it. JD Vance & Trump were ride yesterday but Zelensky needs to make a peace deal, even if it is not all on his terms. He is sending young men to did every day, he needs to concede territory & sign a peace deal because this war will never be won by Ukraine. The EU can not & will not do enough to help him.
Zelensky doesn't wanna to give up 50% of the countries minerals or whatever which IMO is crazy. The USA has spent 300 billion dollars protecting or helping protect the Ukraine also sending weapons and vehicles, why shouldn't they seek some sort of reimbursement? Maybe they could broker some sort of deal that the USA gets some mineral rights until fully reimbursed for this help or something along those lines. I think it's completely insane to expect unlimited funds forever.

zelenski has no negatives about the trade deal. infact it works in his benefit:
a. putin doesnt get the land
b. trump sends the same troops to protect the land on behalf of zelenski (as pacekeepers(with guns) instead of warriors(with guns))
c. america do all the prospecting, drilling mining at cost and then get their payout. and eventually zelenski get a nice income without paying anything upfront from tax payers
d. ukraine rebuilds with nice shiny skyscapers and modern stuff

but what zelenski was trying to say in the oval office was he wanted a secure guarantee contract that the protection will be there should putin push his luck. however trump didnt want it worded that way and took offence that zelenski made it sound like zelenski only wanted the troops on ground as a guarantee of protection if the war continued.

zelenski should have just bit his lip and just nodded in agreement with trump and smiled and thanked trump infront of media.. and then dispute/debate and negotiate terms of wording and needs, off camera.. and the world could have seen a trade and peace deal signed this week

You are clueless about the deal and the "guarantees". The first thing we need to have clear is that Ukraine is fighting to have a safe future. Not that much to recover ground, not because Putin is evil and not because they have any hidden agenda.

Peace is easy to achieve, you just make a number of concession and that's it. But then you get invaded next summer with any excuse again and again because Putin does not see Ukraine as an equal in any deal.

 The only guarantee Trump gave was:

- Putin would not attack again because he respects me.
- Since the US would have business in Ukraine, Putin would not attack.

As you may imagine, nobody in his mind would accept that as "guarantees" after being invaded over and over (despite US business being already in Ukraine when Putin invaded last time) and even if you accept "respect" as guarantee, it would only work while Trump is alive and president - again a crappy idea.

Your peculiar idea about "warriors" with guns is a product of your imagination. It has specifically being said the opposite in terms of US boots on the ground.

You are clueless about what happened in the Oval office. First of all, you should watch the FULL video of all the talk.

Trump was reciting the Ruzzia narrative in front of Zelensky, who has been fighting a real aggression, with real dead and has engaged in diplomacy for many years to try save Ukraine. There is no way you are going to nod and be a yes-sayer to that, it would be simple treason to your contry.

Zelensky perfectly understands diplomacy and niceties, but I would not accept either being patronised by two gangsters in the Oval office or anywere else.

Trump does not recognise Zelensky as a party, he considers he is a beggar and despises him, apart from being angry at him being close to Biden. But the fact is that Trump will appear as the weakest shit on earth if he simply gave Ukraine to Ruzzia (he may not be able to).

All this is largely irrelevant, the problems is that there is something that Trump is not addressing: guaranteeing on the ground the security of Ukraine. The "minerals deal" is just narrative - there is little certainty of what minerals are there and if they are even commercially viable.

i dont see zelenski as a dictator as he was trying to join EU which would be a removal of sovereign control and becoming a puppet to the EU
yes by ukraine wanting to join the EU and thus nato, it triggered russia to respond. but zelenski didnt take the first shot.. nor did zelenski invade russia.
russia became the physical aggressor after getting aggravated by ukraines progress towards EU

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False narrative. In 2014 Ruzzia invaded and annexed Crimea and since then has been sending troops and military means to de Dombas.

Zelensky did not do anything to provoke the war, after the Ruzzian invasion of Crimea and the permanent conflict in East Ukraine, Zelensky started seeking for alternatives to defend Ukraine. DEFEND is the keyword here. Obviously, when you have a country 20 times your size and a bid iddle army that has invaded you, you are not stay there sitting wihtout allies.

Now Trump takes a transactional approach to the problem, put a value in USD to international relations, reputation,... well, all is already comming back to bite:

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-may-have-talked-america-into-recession-before-a-trade-tariff-was-even-imposed-13321315

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Trump may have talked America into recession before a trade tariff was even imposed

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2025-03-04/us-recession-odds-are-becoming-unsettlingly-high

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Expect to see the US sanctions against Russia lifted, because Russia is a far better and honest - to say nothing about godly - nation than Ukraine could ever even think of being.


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