Trade war with Canada - inflation and chaos, Trump shooting US on the foot

[paxmao]

It is important for US voters to understand this. Canada does not want a commercial war and would like to keep working along the US to create jobs, opportunity and business. But Trump's agenda is forcing inflation, loss of jobs and uncertainty that comes with not having a solid and predictable foreign policy. The damage dealt is permanent as trust can be lost only once.

https://youtu.be/s5C-5mhs2mg

[Shova]

US tariffs on Canada is a way of removing preference subsidies to Canada and boosting US industries.
Canada is more dependent on US than US is on Canada. TIme would show the clear picture but what we know for sure is US is more self sufficient than Canada. There might be some price increases in short term but in long term, US would be more economically powerful.

[Hispo]

US tariffs on Canada is a way of removing preference subsidies to Canada and boosting US industries.
Canada is more dependent on US than US is on Canada. TIme would show the clear picture but what we know for sure is US is more self sufficient than Canada. There might be some price increases in short term but in long term, US would be more economically powerful.

So in your eyes it does not actually care whether the United States and Canada had had a very healthy and constructive relation as neighbor nations? the only things with matters is to make the United States to grow no matter what? Not matter their allies feel betrayed and left alone against tyrants and other treats?

This is not only a ongoing commercial and tariff war it is about keeping democracy and Republican values alive in the west and it would seem Trump is willing to throw into the trash those valued and principles for the sake of more power and further increase his personal fortune. He has already broken many day-one promises on immigration and inflation.

[paxmao]

US tariffs on Canada is a way of removing preference subsidies to Canada and boosting US industries.
Canada is more dependent on US than US is on Canada. TIme would show the clear picture but what we know for sure is US is more self sufficient than Canada. There might be some price increases in short term but in long term, US would be more economically powerful.

So in your eyes it does not actually care whether the United States and Canada had had a very healthy and constructive relation as neighbor nations? the only things with matters is to make the United States to grow no matter what? Not matter their allies feel betrayed and left alone against tyrants and other treats?

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By saying Canada is more reliant on US than US in Canada Shova is implicitly saying that the US has a degree of dependence in Canada. And that is actually the case.

The rational for the tariff war is "you will hurt me, but I will hurt you more". This is a loose loose, the worst outcome for all.

In 2024, Canada supplied 62% of American crude oil imports. Other energy exports from Canada include hydroelectric power, natural gas and other fossil fuels.

Make no mistake, there will be plenty of pain in the northern states. They would be unlikely to support Trump if the had known.

[BADecker]

Canada is about the size of California, population-wise. The US doesn't really need her. Maybe she has even become a drag on the American economy like California has. Clean things up - MAGA.

[paxmao]

Canada is about the size of California, population-wise. The US doesn't really need her. Maybe she has even become a drag on the American economy like California has. Clean things up - MAGA.

This is a list of exports from Canda to US. There is not reason to suddenly cut some of them. This includes providing electrical power to the norther states. I am sure they will much appreciate your MAGA slogan to knwo why this happens.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship][url]https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship[/url]

Just so you get a glimpse of what could happen to the american industry: the US consumes roughly 50 TWH (terawatthour) from Canada. To put it past your ignorance, this is the equivalent to all New York for one year or 85% of ALL the energy consumed by Minnesota in a year.

For example, replacement machinery for nuclear power plants, oil, fuel and petrol. I am quite sure the EU would appreciate a cheaper source of all that, so... time to strike a comprehensive deal with Canada for Europe, with thanks.

Mineral fuels, oils, distillation products — $131B
Vehicles other than railway, tramway — $50.76B
Machinery, nuclear reactors, boilers — $30.31B
Commodities not specified according to kind — $19.30B
Plastics — $14.18B
Wood and articles of wood, wood charcoal — $11.59B
Aluminum — $11.49B
Electrical, electronic equipment — $11.24B
Aircraft, spacecraft — $9.25B
Pearls, precious stones, metals, coins — $9.11B

Please keep saying MAGA, people need to know why are they without electricity.

[BADecker]

Canada is about the size of California, population-wise. The US doesn't really need her. Maybe she has even become a drag on the American economy like California has. Clean things up - MAGA.

This is a list of exports from Canda to US. There is not reason to suddenly cut some of them. This includes providing electrical power to the norther states. I am sure they will much appreciate your MAGA slogan to knwo why this happens.

[url]https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship]https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship][url]https://www.csis.org/analysis/mapping-us-canada-energy-relationship[/url]

Just so you get a glimpse of what could happen to the american industry: the US consumes roughly 50 TWH (terawatthour) from Canada. To put it past your ignorance, this is the equivalent to all New York for one year or 85% of ALL the energy consumed by Minnesota in a year.

For example, replacement machinery for nuclear power plants, oil, fuel and petrol. I am quite sure the EU would appreciate a cheaper source of all that, so... time to strike a comprehensive deal with Canada for Europe, with thanks.

Mineral fuels, oils, distillation products — $131B
Vehicles other than railway, tramway — $50.76B
Machinery, nuclear reactors, boilers — $30.31B
Commodities not specified according to kind — $19.30B
Plastics — $14.18B
Wood and articles of wood, wood charcoal — $11.59B
Aluminum — $11.49B
Electrical, electronic equipment — $11.24B
Aircraft, spacecraft — $9.25B
Pearls, precious stones, metals, coins — $9.11B

Please keep saying MAGA, people need to know why are they without electricity.

Trade is trade. Nobody needs that stuff from Canada... except maybe Canadians. The US can make or obtain all of it elsewhere. If Canadians don't like it, they can do what they have to do to adapt.

[paxmao]

Either you are ill-informed or simply wrong:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/automakers-warn-that-trump-tariffs-will-hike-some-vehicle-prices-by-much-25-2025-03-04/

Automakers warn that Trump tariffs will hike vehicle prices as much as 25%

Fortunately, some pretty influential people in the US do understand how dependent the US has become from Canada and Mexico:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/what-trump-tariffs-could-mean-americas-beloved-pickup-truck-2025-03-05/

Trump delays auto tariffs. Pickup trucks might explain why.

And this is Trump showing how strong he is... by folding next day.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zn47d5j1o

Carmakers win break from Trump's tariffs on Canada and Mexico

And who is goint to be the next one asking for an exception? I am guessing nearly all the blue collar industry of the north. Enjoy this video now...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5CzlBE-xDzo?feature=share

[BADecker]

Either you are ill-informed or simply wrong:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/automakers-warn-that-trump-tariffs-will-hike-some-vehicle-prices-by-much-25-2025-03-04/

Automakers warn that Trump tariffs will hike vehicle prices as much as 25%

Fortunately, some pretty influential people in the US do understand how dependent the US has become from Canada and Mexico:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/what-trump-tariffs-could-mean-americas-beloved-pickup-truck-2025-03-05/

Trump delays auto tariffs. Pickup trucks might explain why.

And this is Trump showing how strong he is... by folding next day.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62zn47d5j1o

Carmakers win break from Trump's tariffs on Canada and Mexico

And who is goint to be the next one asking for an exception? I am guessing nearly all the blue collar industry of the north. Enjoy this video now...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5CzlBE-xDzo?feature=share

The thing that you are missing exists because of your focus. People do what benefits them. Obviously Canada and other countries get benefits from doing business with the US. The point is the benefits that will be received from tariffs. Who will benefit and how. There are all kinds of thoughts about this.


Again, if a foreign country can make it and sell it to America, Americans have the ability to make it and ignore the other countries.

[bias]

Again, if a foreign country can make it and sell it to America, Americans have the ability to make it and ignore the other countries.

Two questions. 1- Then why don't you do it in the first place and stop importing from other countries? 2- And why do US businesses go to other countries and not to their homeland? Since they can make everything, make it in their homeland.

[paxmao]

It is so difficult to get a Canadian this mad...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3rIlAITjXk

quoting: "The US is a net exporter of drugs and weapons into Canada."

But Trump is not going to allow truth to get in the middle of his narrative. Who cares if it is true or not.

Again, if a foreign country can make it and sell it to America, Americans have the ability to make it and ignore the other countries.

Two questions. 1- Then why don't you do it in the first place and stop importing from other countries? 2- And why do US businesses go to other countries and not to their homeland? Since they can make everything, make it in their homeland.

Very good questions.

It is very simple, but one of the strong points of the current government is giving simple, yet very wrong answers, to complex and even to simple problems. For example "we have everything we need".

The reason you buy outside is because other countries produce cheaper, better or both. It is not that "you do not have it", it is that your costs are much much higher usually.

Now, as a country you may decide to close the border or put tariffs or put limits, etc... but that immediately requires the US citizens paying the difference.

Any tariff is effectively a tax on US citizens.

It is the basics of competitivity. The US is competitive (relatively) for example in sophisticated weapons US made, but it cannot produce simple products as cheap as China. You have US made cars, but German luxury cars are simply better and more liked.

Again, It is not that the US "cannot make it" or "does not have it", it is the price, quality and quantity that is just wrong.

There is also a long term effect in the US economy if the tariffs are there for long: there is no incentive to increase the productivity nor cut costs as there is no competence. With time, you will not be able to export and the costs in your country will be higher than anywhere else.

But do not bother too much with BA, he will just say something stupid call MAGA and the like.

[_Miracle]

Our (America's) neighbor/allies now see us as a threat.


B.C. Premier David Eby provides update on tariff response – March 6, 2025 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpHKqNKmdQ&ab_channel=cpac

Canada's next PM Mark Carney vows to win trade war with Trump
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36wkg47z1po

[bias]

Our (America's) neighbor/allies now see us as a threat.

That's not good for any parties involved but you can't (really) blame them for this, do you? They just pick up the glove that was thrown on them. So, "Challenge Accepted" and most likely, other "allies" will react the same way. Sooner or later...

[Hispo]

I honestly expected someone within the Trump team or some advisor of him to convince him out of getting the country into a full scale trade war with both of its more important allies like Mexico and Canada are, to be honest. It seems as if he actually believes he is filling up the trunks of the federal government with money from China or money from other adversaries, when in reality it is the average American citizen who is going to continue to pay the price of those tariffs.
I dont still understand what the objective of Trump is, to be honest, is he trying to actively weaken the United States in favor of adversaries like Iran, North Korea or even Russia? Because, when you promise to bring prices down and your strategy does exactly the same, then you are only making people to life a more miserable life and dividing society, pretty much in favor of the plans of the Kremlin against American democracy.

[paxmao]

I honestly expected someone within the Trump team or some advisor of him to convince him out of getting the country into a full scale trade war with both of its more important allies like Mexico and Canada are, to be honest. It seems as if he actually believes he is filling up the trunks of the federal government with money from China or money from other adversaries, when in reality it is the average American citizen who is going to continue to pay the price of those tariffs.
I dont still understand what the objective of Trump is, to be honest, is he trying to actively weaken the United States in favor of adversaries like Iran, North Korea or even Russia? Because, when you promise to bring prices down and your strategy does exactly the same, then you are only making people to life a more miserable life and dividing society, pretty much in favor of the plans of the Kremlin against American democracy.

Someone in Trumps team... interesting. Trump has made a team of people who do not question his designs and they only tell him how to make his plan be a reality quicker and how to take it even further. This is how it looks:

- I impose tariffs.
- I create an industrial base in a protected US.
- I keep inflation at bay by "drilling a lot", cutting government and making cheap energy.
- All the new profit goes to the billionaires.

So, the plan sounds great does it not?  We just need to ignore that the US cost of producing Oil is higher than most other places in the world.

[ManOftheWorld]

Trump is engaged in nonsense, there are so many things to do, and he is terrorizing Canada.

[Hispo]

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Someone in Trumps team... interesting. Trump has made a team of people who do not question his designs and they only tell him how to make his plan be a reality quicker and how to take it even further. This is how it looks:

- I impose tariffs.
- I create an industrial base in a protected US.
- I keep inflation at bay by "drilling a lot", cutting government and making cheap energy.
- All the new profit goes to the billionaires.

So, the plan sounds great does it not?  We just need to ignore that the US cost of producing Oil is higher than most other places in the world.

That is a mistake he committed during his first term, that's for sure, he surrounded himself with people who still owed loyalty to the constitution of the USA and not to MAGA and Trump as a president, in consequence, he got some management problems and had to face backlash from his own team during those years.
Now he has surrounded himself with yesmen and yes women, which would not dare to point out details like those of the cost of producing oil on American soil and other similar challenges.

If there is something to be sure about, this is going to be a chaotic administration by Trump and he is likely to undo much of the advance it has been done in the USA for a couple of years in the stock market and also undermining the international trust on the government of the USA.

[DanWalker]

I dont still understand what the objective of Trump is, to be honest, is he trying to actively weaken the United States in favor of adversaries like Iran, North Korea or even Russia? Because, when you promise to bring prices down and your strategy does exactly the same, then you are only making people to life a more miserable life and dividing society, pretty much in favor of the plans of the Kremlin against American democracy.

To be fair, what Trump is doing is somewhat risky, but it is still too early to tell whether what Trump is doing will weaken the United States.
There are two scenarios: the US economy would be stronger if those countries caved in and accepted Trump's demands to end the tariff war. Or conversely, if nations do not yield and surrender, the United States will surely decline rapidly.

But when we look at the amount of goods imported from Canada and Mexico into the United States, and vice versa. It's easy to see how much Canada and Mexico depend on the United States, so Trump has every reason to believe in a big win for the United States.

For the world economy, what Trump does will certainly cause damage in both the short and long term, but for the US economy, it is still too early to say that it will be harmful.

[bias]

But when we look at the amount of goods imported from Canada and Mexico into the United States, and vice versa. It's easy to see how much Canada and Mexico depend on the United States, so Trump has every reason to believe in a big win for the United States.

For the world economy, what Trump does will certainly cause damage in both the short and long term, but for the US economy, it is still too early to say that it will be harmful.

So, it will be devastating for all the other countries, and you know it from now, but for the US, you don't know; only the future will tell.
Since two countries have an agreement with a specific taxation system, thus are both depend on this deal and gain things. Imagine Mexico taxing any vehicle coming from the US with an entry fee, starting from let's say $150. Around 90 million cars and 4.2 million trucks pass those borders annually...
My point is that if we start talking about trade wars and how a country can hurt another country, this talk will be endless. And the worst part of all is that everything will be paid for by the people but not for the people.

[paxmao]

But when we look at the amount of goods imported from Canada and Mexico into the United States, and vice versa. It's easy to see how much Canada and Mexico depend on the United States, so Trump has every reason to believe in a big win for the United States.

For the world economy, what Trump does will certainly cause damage in both the short and long term, but for the US economy, it is still too early to say that it will be harmful.

So, it will be devastating for all the other countries, and you know it from now, but for the US, you don't know; only the future will tell.
Since two countries have an agreement with a specific taxation system, thus are both depend on this deal and gain things. Imagine Mexico taxing any vehicle coming from the US with an entry fee, starting from let's say $150. Around 90 million cars and 4.2 million trucks pass those borders annually...
My point is that if we start talking about trade wars and how a country can hurt another country, this talk will be endless. And the worst part of all is that everything will be paid for by the people but not for the people.

There is no win here. The US is waging a trade war and this is going to result in short term harm for everyone. The theory behind is that Trump says the US can double down until the other countries negotiate with plenty of disavantage.

There is only one tiny little problem: Each time you double down, your rating will go down as you are creating inflation and unemployment in the US. I think even the now tamed Republican Party may eventually fear loosing the mid-terms by a lot if this goes on.