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are women really better traders than men,?
It has nothing to do with gender in my opinion, women can also be terrible traders if they fail to acquire enough knowledge. There are some women who are very bad with controlling their emotions, and some men who are masters at it, I think it is mostly about personality which any of the gender could possess. From another view, women could become better traders, but most women are focused on other things. You will rarely find women who are interested in trading.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
1. I do see this to be totally opposite, specially if we do speak about money on which i dont really see for them to be that a good impact absorbers. I do rather see the different.! 2. Men are more adventurous and having that more better risks tolerance on which we know that this is really that important since we are dealing on a volatile market and does need up that tough handling specially about emotions and we do know that women doesnt really like losing money on which this will really be that a huge problem. In overall, then i dont really believe much that women are really that more good or better than men when it comes to trading. Im not degrading women to be that not capable but we do know that when it comes to risks then men does really have that higher tolerance than women. They are much more better on handling out stress than with moment. Men are less emotional than women and thats why i would say that these things being mentioned above are totally opposite. Somehow trading isnt really just that limited to men but i do really believe that male trades are better than women but actually there might be still some good women traders as well.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
There are probably some women who are good at trading skills who are entering the crypto space. And I'm sure that not most women are good at trading. But they all have the opportunity to learn crypto trading. That's why we can say that there are only a few who have the dedication to really study crypto trading in this industry. We also know that it is not easy to learn and understand.
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March 08, 2025, 07:02:02 PM |
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Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
As far as I know, most of the men are involved in trading, because women are busy with various types of work at home. The biggest thing is that most of the women are dependent on men, so if women want to do any work, they have to take permission from men. The biggest thing is that men control everything, so women do not have much opportunity in terms of money. Because to trade, of course, money is needed, which is collected by most of the men, in my country there is such a rule, so I am speaking on my behalf. And every time I have seen that men have succeeded in trading, there may be a small number of women
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1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,.
Women generally are known for that and if they are so good at trading using this technique we know them most for, they can be patient all along but can’t be willing to take more risk than a man would. And as the saying goes, no risk no gain. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
Men are naturally risk takers and trading has to do with taking risks. We don’t see more women trading and the few that are trading, even though they’re profitable, only few of them are ready to take that risk to become profitable. The trading market after leaning and understanding the market is now left with you being a risk taker, that’s how to tell how much you can be or take to become profitable at trading.
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March 08, 2025, 08:14:47 PM |
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
Although women's natural nature is to prioritize feelings over logic, women who decide to trade are those who are fully prepared mentally and in mind, there are several female traders who are asked what makes them very good at trading compared to other men, their answer is not prioritizing ego, well basically men are creatures who prioritize ego while women can be more patient and not prioritizing ego, this is a strong reason that makes them as female traders more profitable than male traders.
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Not sure women make better traders than men... Are women willing to take greater risks in trading? I think few women would dare to do so and still many men do this.
My opinion... Men are still better traders even many of them have become professionals as a profession. Is it because women can deal with market pressure that makes them calm? For me it doesn't because the women I know are always unwilling to take bigger risks.
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It doesn't makes sense with all of these gender topics about who's better and who's making more. I don't think that there is a need to prove who's the better trader here. Both genders males and females can be good at the trade that they are focused with. Well if this goes deep, I hope some exchange will reveal a data from them on who's profitable on their own platforms and what are the genders of their top traders, I think that's interesting if that's it is all about. I don't expect some exchanges to be willing to release it without any interest, but if they do, then it might be a benchmark to see who is most successful. I don't care who benefits the most or who loses the most, this discussion will have no resolution if it is not supported by facts and data. Gender differences only allow for differences in emotions that may be used as a benchmark by some people to make conclusions. I don't think it can be a definite reason to say women are more successful, but I agree that women are a little more in control of their emotions. Men tend to think harder than women, this is why men sometimes make more mistakes in making decisions.
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I honestly don't like to compliment gender based informations like this because it makes me want to overthink my decisions and initial plans over trading activities. Regardless of gender, individuals results vary because Everybody exists with different knowledgeable skills like understanding market trends and risks Management.
Women are naturally financially skilled individuals and according to studies and recent researches,Women Investors and traders have been able to surpass men,but that doesn't really lay the conclusion to this.I believe this a just a misconception of ideas and informations too.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
I thought you should be showing us proof of successful trades done by women, but you are only suggesting to us why you think women can be a good trader than men. It's even more scare to find majority of women into crypto trading because these genders are afraid of sitting down on a working table looking at chart and executing trades.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
All I keep reading is they argued lol! Please can you tell us who are they that were arguing that women are better traders? This is just crazy because I am still thinking who are they that were arguing that women can swallow pressure compared to men. Anyone can reach any length or limit depending on individual proactiveness which does not depend on the gender involved. Anybody can trade in the market and make money for themselves. It's not something that is dedicated to a particular gender which is why I think ansmyone can trade and make money from the market independent on the gender involved.
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March 08, 2025, 11:38:15 PM |
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From the track of time we all know that women are better of risk taker than the men and way better with financial assets aslo say an have a little bit of discipline in them and also they are better with market strategies and confidence and also around 2023 the trading rates state that women are more of better trader in the trading world and are better with the risk management.
Well to me there is no use why consider women the great trading we all know we should not be debating on this issues right os clearly written in the wall that men that all men have what we call the risks mentalities and it is common among men this mentalities are know to be boldness, the entrepreneurial type and all the caution well need to learn from the women sex are reckless and risk taking can lead to unwanted failures.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
Com'on on, you heard that, and you believed it? How is it possible for a woman be a better trader than a man when we all know that women are emotional creatures, and you and I also knows that in trading, all your trading skills and capabilities becomes useless if you attached emotions to it, besides it's just few women that trades, so they can't just say that women are better trader when the few one's exploring the market are still living under the shadows of men, though I might be wrong, but women are no where near as good as men when it comes to trading, because due to how emotional they are, it's one stumbling block that can't make them to be successful in trading, because you can't be emotional while trading, and you and I knows that emotions and women are like 5 & 6, so how are they going to be better than men on that regardless? In my own perspective, this is the most stupid argument ever.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
Com'on on, you heard that, and you believed it? How is it possible for a woman be a better trader than a man when we all know that women are emotional creatures, and you and I also knows that in trading, all your trading skills and capabilities becomes useless if you attached emotions to it, besides it's just few women that trades, so they can't just say that women are better trader when the few one's exploring the market are still living under the shadows of men, though I might be wrong, but women are no where near as good as men when it comes to trading, because due to how emotional they are, it's one stumbling block that can't make them to be successful in trading, because you can't be emotional while trading, and you and I knows that emotions and women are like 5 & 6, so how are they going to be better than men on that regardless? In my own perspective, this is the most stupid argument ever. This is what i have said above too or earlier that on which the thing that comes up into my mind directly is that women are emotional creatures on which they are far more sensitive than men on which we do know that most of them are really having the love for money.  which does simply means that you would really be able to say that they are far more reactive at the moment that they will really be losing up money and it is really that very hard to believe that they will really be having that good control. Yes, in some conditions or situations on which i could say that they are really that good thinkers and having that good sense on organizing things, but dealing up into those things on which it will really be talking about risks taking or simply that in connection with losing money then this is really that highly against their will and preference. We do know that trading is really that risky and if you arent that good on handling it out then you would definitely be skipping out this venture and look for something else. You would definitely be having this kind of thinking as a woman that you do rather spend these funds for other purposes rather than on spending it on trading and they will really be that wanting on even other things on which they do prefer. Traders doesnt really that vary or depend on what your gender is, as long you are capable then thats what matter the most.
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So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
All I keep reading is they argued lol! Please can you tell us who are they that were arguing that women are better traders? This is just crazy because I am still thinking who are they that were arguing that women can swallow pressure compared to men. Anyone can reach any length or limit depending on individual proactiveness which does not depend on the gender involved. Anybody can trade in the market and make money for themselves. It's not something that is dedicated to a particular gender which is why I think ansmyone can trade and make money from the market independent on the gender involved. You don't have to know to know who the "they" are sir, incase you have not come across the argument before thats fine and that's why I brought it here for other trader's to share their opinion
So I have come across this argument more often than necessarily recently so let me talk about it,. Women are considered to be better traders with the argument that 1. they are better pressure absorbers and so can be more calm in face of market rationalities unlike men who are very abrupt nd quick in both decision making and in reaction,. 2. they argued that women have the capacity to multitask and still make sure everything is in place which adds as a layer of advantage to them in the trading space and helps them to be more calm unlike men that are one thing at a time creature..lolz,. Well what are your thoughts? are women really better traders than men,?
Com'on on, you heard that, and you believed it? How is it possible for a woman be a better trader than a man when we all know that women are emotional creatures, and you and I also knows that in trading, all your trading skills and capabilities becomes useless if you attached emotions to it, besides it's just few women that trades, so they can't just say that women are better trader when the few one's exploring the market are still living under the shadows of men, though I might be wrong, but women are no where near as good as men when it comes to trading, because due to how emotional they are, it's one stumbling block that can't make them to be successful in trading, because you can't be emotional while trading, and you and I knows that emotions and women are like 5 & 6, so how are they going to be better than men on that regardless? In my own perspective, this is the most stupid argument ever. Lolz if I had believed it I wouldn't have posted it here,. I need to hear from other traders especially the more experienced ones what their journey have been like and what they think about this school of thought that women are better traders than men [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
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Women are better traders in terms of selling boobs and booty. They claimed to be professional traders, wear professional clothes, but they're just a "toy" by multi billionaires who fund them money to be sex object. That's why they're successful, they make money using their body instead of their skills. From the track of time we all know that women are better of risk taker than the men and way better with financial assets aslo say an have a little bit of discipline in them and also they are better with market strategies and confidence and also around 2023 the trading rates state that women are more of better trader in the trading world and are better with the risk management.
Based on my observation. Women mostly choose to invest their money in time deposit, mutual funds, debt securities, blue chip stock, or Bitcoin. Men choose to invest their money in time deposit, mutual funds, debt securities, stock (blue chip, mid caps, small caps), cryptocurrency (Bitcoin, mid caps, small caps, shitcoins), starting a business. I have never see women gamble all of they have in one thing, while I've seen few men did that.
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Whenever I see a gender based discussion, I ask myself, do people really have to bring gender into everything?
How do you define a "better" trader? You cant, its subjective or else come up with a objective parameter to determine the difference and publish studies to prove your claim. I still dont know any such parameter yet, other than some people's self-proclaimed ideas.
So till then better to assume that anyone can be or not be a trader.
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Women are better traders in terms of selling boobs and booty.
They claimed to be professional traders, wear professional clothes, but they're just a "toy" by multi billionaires who fund them money to be sex object. That's why they're successful, they make money using their body instead of their skills..
That is why there is onlyf@ns for them? To be honest, I do not have this thought for them in general. But it is sad that there are the few ones that sees this way of living and that is why there are people that has the same thought as you. In general and IMHO, there are good traders for all genders and there goes the classification for better and best in both men and women.
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slaman29
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March 09, 2025, 08:26:23 AM |
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Women are known to take less risks so its not a surprise at all. The discrimination is real and is even scientifically proven. Insurance for drivers cost less for women, because they take less risks. And in investment they even take less risky ones, its just the way they are.
Trading is known to be a high-risk activity, therefore they may not also engage on it. Taking big risk do also has its own advantages, I mean if we are already involved in trading, especially if we are a good trader like we still know when to stop. For those male traders that are not good at control, this is where female traders can won against them but I think there are also women that are like that that are not good at control and likes to take big risks. Even though we can say that women are better traders than men, I think this is not something that they will get discriminated by the men but rather, men are going to get proud of them. I wish I could agree we still know when to stop or rather we know but whether we do or not is a different thing. Very few people have the discipline. Of course there are different men and women exceptions but we're talking about proven scientific stats as I've mentioned. Its just the way we are made. Biology  Women are better traders, its just the way they are. No one is taking offence, not me anyway 
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That's stupid. It's basically a remnant if identity politics and DEI which were dismantled in American society recently.
In fact, only if you have experience will you be the better trader. And this goes for all other fields as well.
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