Do you know your rights as a gambler?

[rachael9385]

Gambling terms and conditions contain a lot of information, but few casinos actually adhere to these terms. Although casino terms and conditions state that no one under the age of 18 can participate in gambling, in reality, few casinos strictly follow the age restrictions. If these terms and conditions are to be strictly followed, then KYC verification will definitely be required, which will be an embarrassing situation for participants from some countries. The KYC system will certainly create an embarrassing situation for participants in countries where gambling is taxed and participation is required. Moreover, the KYC system will also create an embarrassing situation for users in countries where gambling and casinos are illegal.

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

[Accardo]

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

How do you mean that KYC can be skipped? The government layed down strict laws for Casinos to know their customers to avoid money laundering. Young under 18 players in my understanding only boycott the process through the aid of online services that sell documents or maybe convincing a grown relative to help them with documents. Other than that, are they other ways you think an unqualified player can get to gamble with no KYC requirements?

[Sandra_hakeem]

Operators must allow players to withdraw funds from their deposit balance, even if they are allocated to a bonus including when a bonus is pending or active in the account. Operators are free to require players to meet wagering requirements for bonus winnings so long as they can withdraw winnings made with their own funds, no matter how much or how little they have played.

TLDR or simplified version
A casino can say in the ToS you have to sacrifice your firstborn child before you can ask for a withdrawal, but that doesn't make it legal.  

They keep imposing these policies and rules all in their favour? Even the casinos that you wager in wants to dupe you with every single opportunity they get?That's crazy. The good thing is that they know exactly how this can implicate their casino and what the adjudication would result in, but they still do it anyway.

This should only serve as discouragement to all the people that will hastily get their accounts registered and KYC-ed on a casino (even though they just visited them for the first time), without reading the terms of service. I believe the license providers are watching out for any of their client that reshapes the original laws.

[AmoreJaz]

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

How do you mean that KYC can be skipped? The government layed down strict laws for Casinos to know their customers to avoid money laundering. Young under 18 players in my understanding only boycott the process through the aid of online services that sell documents or maybe convincing a grown relative to help them with documents. Other than that, are they other ways you think an unqualified player can get to gamble with no KYC requirements?

I believe, he's talking about the work around that kids can do to skip the KYC process. Because they can somehow borrow someone else's ID or ask someone to undergo the KYC process to create an account. But the main player is an underage individual. In today's generation, there are many ways how to do this. However, if caught by the site, it is your own manner how to fix such situation. If they ask for a video call, that may pose difficulty to an underage user, as part of verification process.

[Sanitough]

I believe, he's talking about the work around that kids can do to skip the KYC process. Because they can somehow borrow someone else's ID or ask someone to undergo the KYC process to create an account. But the main player is an underage individual. In today's generation, there are many ways how to do this. However, if caught by the site, it is your own manner how to fix such situation. If they ask for a video call, that may pose difficulty to an underage user, as part of verification process.

In this scenario, the casino loses control after KYC verification since the user has already submitted and passed the requirements. If it's later discovered that an underage player slipped through, the responsibility falls squarely on the person who undergo a KYC process. This creates significant risk, as the verified account could be used for illegal activities like money laundering. Worst of all? The legitimate account holder might unknowingly have crimes committed in their name by the minor.

[Cityhunter34]

All I know is that gambling is only for matured individuals, anyone who is minor in age shouldn’t dare to enter gambling. Beyond that, gambling is open for everyone.

Yeas of course it is and it's basically the reason for the restriction of 18+ . It just turns out that based on values and logic someone of that age in this present generation should be able to make good decisions and be able to distinguish bad habits from good ones too and hence act rational. However sadly it doesn't seem to apply generally and that's why I think addiction is still a thing.
The most retarding thing Is actually taking gambling like a source of income or an infinite money glitch.

Actually the rules of gambling said 18 years above. Because they believe that someone that is above 18 could be able to withstand any pressure that might comes out along the line, but still they are going against the rules due to not being the require age before they start playing gambling, which is actually the causes of too much addiction in gambling today. Because they always have this feeling that gambling is a get rich quick, without realizing the risk involved.

[Mia Chloe]

Actually the rules of gambling said 18 years above. Because they believe that someone that is above 18 could be able to withstand any pressure that might comes out along the line, but still they are going against the rules due to not being the require age before they start playing gambling, which is actually the causes of too much addiction in gambling today. Because they always have this feeling that gambling is a get rich quick, without realizing the risk involved.

The 18+ restriction in gambling isn't directly placed because of pressure because believe it or not people make crazy and wrong decisions both in cases of pressure and cases without pressure. 18+ is more like a restriction based on how an adult should think. Making the right decision is something younger people are not really good at sometimes especially when it involves money.
Sadly these days you see teens who can't even fend for themselves making alternative ways to gamble even when the 18+ restriction stops them from doing so.

[Findingnemo]

Reality is different. If we have to fight a legal battle against the casino, it will be expensive and may take years to get a judgment. And I believe those metioned applies to UK registered casino but we don't see more casino get a license from that region because of gambling friendly Island nations.

So I try to be aware of what is mentioned and try not to make any mistake and even if there is no mandatory verification I will try to get verfied before a huge deposit so I won't regret it.

[jaberwock]

Many gamblers are uninterested in whether they even have a right or not, and except it is being trampled upon in a manner that affects them seriously, they can easily move on and just tag the casino as one fraudulent casino that other users should be aware of. maybe it is because we dont find many gambling cases in court or that some countries have rules against certain kinds of gambling. That might be part of the reason why gamblers dont take their rights seriously. The cost of going through a court case with a platform that has an upper hand and the ability to twist things to their favor is one reason why it becomes seriously hard to take up a case against a casino for a bridge or negligence on the right of the gamblers.

I think it mostly depends on the amount involved and not the fact that a person might not be able to prove a casino wrong in the court because if you have actually been cheated and you have evidence for it, you can prove the casino wrong in the court if you have a good lawyer or someone who would represent your case. However, as I said, a person would only think of doing something like that if they knew that the amount involved in the case was big enough for them to fight for. You won't go through all that hassle only for a few thousand dollars, especially if you know the case is going to cost you even more.

Those who make small deposits, gamble with it, and if luckily they manage to win something like maybe a couple of thousand dollars and the casino doesn't allow them to withdraw the funds, they would probably not think of suing the casino and instead, they will report them and maybe create posts and threads against them wherever they can only to damage their reputation as they won't have any other choice.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

TLDR or simplified version
A casino can say in the ToS you have to sacrifice your firstborn child before you can ask for a withdrawal, but that doesn't make it legal.  

Thoughts?

This is a very interesting and important discussion here, one I believe will help alot of gamblers understand their rights better even as a gambler, but hey, there is a problem..

And the problem is that the EU/UK gambling laws does not apply to other parts of the world, or does it?
What happens if my country (for example) doesn't have gambling laws? Does this automatically mean that casinos are free to do as they like their customers from my region or country?

Another important thing I want to also point out is the fact that poor people can for sure know their right, but unfortunately, it take having money to fight for your right when you notice your right is being stolen from you..
This is why I think this gambling laws only favors the rich, because my people will always say - Na person wey don first eat belleful dey carry matter go court- what this mean is that, it is when you have more than enough money to sort out your personal life issues before you think of spending money in a court case, and what this mean is that, a poor man may have his right taken from him and there nothing he can do about it..

[Wiwo]

Gambling terms and conditions contain a lot of information, but few casinos actually adhere to these terms. Although casino terms and conditions state that no one under the age of 18 can participate in gambling, in reality, few casinos strictly follow the age restrictions. If these terms and conditions are to be strictly followed, then KYC verification will definitely be required, which will be an embarrassing situation for participants from some countries. The KYC system will certainly create an embarrassing situation for participants in countries where gambling is taxed and participation is required. Moreover, the KYC system will also create an embarrassing situation for users in countries where gambling and casinos are illegal.

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

That is just the fact any casino that promotes underage gambling is already violating the laws, and for sure should be closed down by the government., this is because is a violation of the regulatory requirements policy which is to avoid underage gambling and trying to deceive players or the policymakers that there is complaints casino.

Underage gambling is strictly prohibited and should not be encouraged by anybody since at a point both regulated and unregulated casinos tend to serve one community which is the players.

[Fortify]

I am seriously getting tired of the same things being said over and over by some people, and some are really but really annoying

The most annoying one of all is the thing about the ToS, too many gullible people think that if a casino writes something in their ToS then that's it it's the law of the universe, well, surprise, it's not like that. In the EU/UK we have these: Unfair contract terms diretcive which basically says that it doesn't matter than in your Terms and Conditions you write that you don't offer any kind of compensation or refunds for the price of a product, that's not fair and any EU judge will rule against that company   

Thoughts?

What your statements also fail to miss is the intricate web of global laws that dictate what terms are actually enforceable. If you deposit money to a gambling company that is headquartered in certain jurisdictions, it doesn't really matter where you are based if they are operating within the laws of another land. This means that you must convince the courts in the country that the company is located, because your government is highly unlikely to put enough pressure to recover your money in this scenario. It's all very well saying that certain terms are unenforceable, and they may not be, but that can also work against you as well. Many casinos actually block the countries with the toughest gambling restrictions like the EU, UK and some of Europe - because they don't want to contend with such problems.

[Dunamisx]

I am seriously getting tired of the same things being said over and over by some people, and some are really but really annoying

The most annoying one of all is the thing about the ToS, too many gullible people think that if a casino writes something in their ToS then that's it it's the law of the universe, well, surprise, it's not like that. In the EU/UK we have these: Unfair contract terms diretcive which basically says that it doesn't matter than in your Terms and Conditions you write that you don't offer any kind of compensation or refunds for the price of a product, that's not fair and any EU judge will rule against that company   

So sticking to gambling did you know that:

- A licensed operator should not allow you to gamble or allow you to deposit before they ask for identity verification and at that stage they should provide the customer with a full list of the verification they might ask you and once you agree to that they will not have the right to seek additional information?

Before permitting a customer to deposit funds, licensees should inform customers what types of identity documents or other information the licensee may need the customer to provide, the circumstances in which such information might be required, and the form and manner in which such information should be provided.

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/licensees-and-businesses/lccp/condition/17-1-1-customer-identity-verification
- A licensed casino can't ask for further verification before a withdrawal if that verification wasn't mentioned at the stage at which the user has deposited or cleared verification;

Our rules say that a gambling business can't ask you to prove your age and identity as a condition of withdrawing your money if they could have asked you at an earlier point.

- Casinos must display the balance and the bonus differently at any stage in your account balance:

The deposit balance and bonus balance must always be displayed separately in a clear and prominent manner.

But here comes the bomb:

Operators must allow players to withdraw funds from their deposit balance, even if they are allocated to a bonus including when a bonus is pending or active in the account. Operators are free to require players to meet wagering requirements for bonus winnings so long as they can withdraw winnings made with their own funds, no matter how much or how little they have played.

TLDR or simplified version
A casino can say in the ToS you have to sacrifice your firstborn child before you can ask for a withdrawal, but that doesn't make it legal. 

Thoughts?

I am getting to know more things about crypto gambling platforms form this amazing thread, i must appreciate OP for creating this because many gamblers does not know the law, their rights, what they can claim and what they should also try to avoid, its not all about gambling alone, but we must know what is at stake as we gamble.

We don't have to gamble without knowing our own right, what their rules in the casino is and how we can also play safe and avoid making unnecessary complain on what w should have avoided.

[rachael9385]

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

How do you mean that KYC can be skipped? The government layed down strict laws for Casinos to know their customers to avoid money laundering. Young under 18 players in my understanding only boycott the process through the aid of online services that sell documents or maybe convincing a grown relative to help them with documents. Other than that, are they other ways you think an unqualified player can get to gamble with no KYC requirements?

If you read thoroughly I talked about reputability, I know that it's a law from the government that must be upheld this is the reason why I said that I don't recommend any gambler to use such casinos. You can check the list of casinos that skips KYC processes on Google, these casinos even look like a scam to me cause most of them mentioned are not popularly known. Reputable casinos would always ask you to complete your KYC process for security reasons, scam casinos would need a proper verification from you, and there are lots of them out there.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Gambling terms and conditions contain a lot of information, but few casinos actually adhere to these terms. Although casino terms and conditions state that no one under the age of 18 can participate in gambling, in reality, few casinos strictly follow the age restrictions. If these terms and conditions are to be strictly followed, then KYC verification will definitely be required, which will be an embarrassing situation for participants from some countries. The KYC system will certainly create an embarrassing situation for participants in countries where gambling is taxed and participation is required. Moreover, the KYC system will also create an embarrassing situation for users in countries where gambling and casinos are illegal.

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

That is just the fact any casino that promotes underage gambling is already violating the laws, and for sure should be closed down by the government., this is because is a violation of the regulatory requirements policy which is to avoid underage gambling and trying to deceive players or the policymakers that there is complaints casino.

Underage gambling is strictly prohibited and should not be encouraged by anybody since at a point both regulated and unregulated casinos tend to serve one community which is the players.

I've not actually come across any casino that is known to be promoting or have engaged in promoting underaged gambling, but what I do think that most casinos will be guilty of is if the government or regulators will begin to punish casinos that are not taking the right or required majors to ensure that underaged persons do not have access to the casino.

And this is one area where kyc verification before a gambler is allowed to deposit money and play on the casino would have helped tremendously, but casinos of nowadays are so greedy that they no longer care who's behind the screen or what age he or she is, they have no interest or intension of knowing who you are as long as you are gambling and losing money, but the moment you win, they attack you with KYC verification, and at this stage, some underage people hire their older relatives to perform the kyc verification for them so they could be able to withdraw their pending funds..
This is something that needs to be addressed as well.

[Wiwo]

And this is one area where kyc verification before a gambler is allowed to deposit money and play on the casino would have helped tremendously, but casinos of nowadays are so greedy that they no longer care who's behind the screen or what age he or she is, they have no interest or intension of knowing who you are as long as you are gambling and losing money, but the moment you win, they attack you with KYC verification, and at this stage, some underage people hire their older relatives to perform the kyc verification for them so they could be able to withdraw their pending funds..
This is something that needs to be addressed as well.

Well, I haven't seen any too, since even the most scummy casino known, 1xbits did not promote underage gambling, that is why they have age columns and also self exclusions laws on gambling sites, having age restrictions and self contributions feature is how to know reputable casinos by the ways and manners their handles issues that have to do with their communities.

So the issue of underage gambling is almost unavailable since various laws bind them at every point in time!

[Antotena]

A casino that doesn't follow age restrictions policy isn't reputable and that's my opinion because if they are they would not promote underage gambling. Kids below 18 are now having access to online casinos, the KYC process is now something that can be skipped. I don't recommend such casino to any gambler, there's a high chance of getting scammed by them. KYC is important and should always be used for proper authentication and access at all times.

Only few casino cares about kyc and other things that identify people. You want to know if casino care so much about you and your information, wait till you win an amazing money that shakes there balance, that's when you will see different kind of reviews all the way from who you are, the days you registered and the kind of ID card you use for registration, this things only matter when money involves, they can even ask you to redo the verification if they so wish.

I don't know if as a gambler one has right to sue casino because no matter how you think a casino behaves towards you, know for sure that they have that policy on their terms and conditions which you must have accept and by doing so, you have sold out some of the simple right you have left because you can't claim to do something you have accepted you don't care about and that's because you never bother to read about them during registration.

[TelolettOm]

And even the problem is that maybe some gamblers don't read it. Common habits are:
- register
- fill in data
- validate with data for KYC if needed
- Just scroll and skip and then press OK when there is information about TOS and so on without reading it

then start playing.
and they will just discuss something that they have problems with in the future.

[qwertyup23]

This is true and I think that because most casinos are very well aware that gamblers are very ignorant of their rights that's why they can act in any manner they which, take any sort of decision and then get away with it.

But I have to ask, which law court can a gambler take an online crypto casino not in their country to?

Interesting question- but I do think this wholly depends on the online gambling platform on where it is established.

In the Philippines as a rule, a foreign corporation needs to secure a license to do business in the Philippines in order to have legal standing in the event that one of their contracts are being enforced in court.

Now we must first ask if these online gambling companies are corporations. If not, the next step is if they are regulated by the country to which they are established. If yes, then you can enforce any court action against that gambling company. On the other hand, if the online gambling is NOT a corporation and NOT regulated by your country, then you can probably inform the proper government agency that regulates gambling to PROHIBIT their regularization in the event they want to establish in that country.

[Eternad]

TLDR or simplified version
A casino can say in the ToS you have to sacrifice your firstborn child before you can ask for a withdrawal, but that doesn't make it legal. 

Thoughts?

You’re totally right about all your input here.

The only problem is the trouble dealing against the casino when it comes to legal battle because many player live on a country far away on the country that has jurisdiction on the online casino.

License operator is so slow to handle case that’s why it’s almost impossible to solve your case once the casino starts to ignore you. Even Arbitration services honor the ToS of the casino that’s why it became a common fix to just follow the casino ToS instead of implementing pur rights to avoid hassle.