Airdropped legendary vs self-made legendary...

[KingsDen]

This post raised my curiosity, which is the reason for this thread.

Keep in mind that vas majority of legendary members became legendary before merit was introduced. And back then you only needed activity.
Nowadays its much harder to rank up due to merit requirements, and with good reason tbh

When I was a newbie, I was told that the majority of legendary members got their ranks before the merit system. I have become a legendary member and likewise many other persons, yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.
Any data to compare both?

[Smartvirus]

This post raised my curiosity, which is the reason for this thread.

Keep in mind that vas majority of legendary members became legendary before merit was introduced. And back then you only needed activity.
Nowadays its much harder to rank up due to merit requirements, and with good reason tbh

yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.
Any data to compare both?

In what context if I may ask my good friend?

Is it in the context of what impact they’ve had on the forum or in the context of number as per head count.

Which ever it is however, I really don’t see it to matter much as, it wouldn’t in anyway affect the forum either negatively or positively and there is always going to be a tendency of self made legendaries to out number airdropped legendaries given the continued nature of the self made.

[Hazink]

In terms of the active legendary members, I can blindly argue that those who ranked up after the merit system was introduced are far more than those who were made legendary before the merit system and were airdropped the merit based on their activities. I say I argue blindly because there is no solid data to back up the claims.

But if you check most of the active legendary members profiles from BPIP, you will notice that some of them earned almost all their merit down to that rank, some were airdropped merit to full members, which they continued from there, while some who registered in 2018 after the merit system had been introduced earned it through.

From this data "merit analysis", "self-made" high-ranked users based on earned merit Most of our legendary members fall under that list.

[Churchillvv]

The quoted guy might be making some point to an extent, sometimes I see legendary members of the forum sound so dump... this could prompt to saying some legendary guys are not deserving.

However it's clear that self made legendaries are most active right now, hence most of the airdrop made legendaries are far gone or are rarely seen anywhere right now. We have more active legendaries from 2018 after the merit system and lesser legendaries before the merit system.

The old guys are going to extinction, self made legendaries are more from my perspective.

[crwth]

People who have been members for a long time, deserve the legendary status and people who have worked hard are different because they have to do a lot of work and deserve it as well. There shouldn’t be any comparison at all because that’s not just going to be helpful; there should be specific methods and parameters to compare to to make it more real and quantifiable.

[philipma1957]

This post raised my curiosity, which is the reason for this thread.

Keep in mind that vas majority of legendary members became legendary before merit was introduced. And back then you only needed activity.
Nowadays its much harder to rank up due to merit requirements, and with good reason tbh

When I was a newbie, I was told that the majority of legendary members got their ranks before the merit system. I have become a legendary member and likewise many other persons, yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.
Any data to compare both?

you can’t compare them with any measurement system that works.

2009 to 2013 no one knew btc would be of value.

so the importance of it was not knowable.  now once Nov 2013 made price over 1000 usd the value of good posts became real.

second stage was gpu mining no one knew eths value in 2016 in fact it was mocked.

but if you followed my non-merited gpu threads for eth you would have made solid cash. I got zero merits for teaching people how to mine eth for at least 200 posts on what to do.

and no one knew the value of them for a while.

and ck and kano got zero merits for doing great work on mining software.

[Apocollapse]

I don't care with airdropped legendary nor self made legendary, the most important point they shouldn't shitposting.

There are many airdropped legendary who shitpost because they not feel the struggle to earn merit, although earning merit in lower rank is easier than when you become legendary.

Someone could achieve self made legendary by getting merit in local board, but they only get few in global board, the reason is quality.

[Samlucky O]

When I was a newbie, I was told that the majority of legendary members got their ranks before the merit system. I have become a legendary member and likewise many other persons, yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.
Any data to compare both?

Actually there is no evidence to prove that airdroped legendary is more than the self made legendary but I would argue blindly that self made legendary and hero are more than the airdroped legendaries. Reason I said this is that airdroped system ended long time ago something around 2018 and most people then where just bearly sr and hero members that was airdroped, and before their activities could reach 1000 it will take a long time. So they ranked up to legendary by themselves after the system stopped while some stopped along the line when they couldn't earn merit any longer on there own because they find it difficult with new merit system. So I would say that only few benefited from it but majority of the legendary where self made. The new merit system made it nearly impossible to continue because most of them where shitposter who where fortunate to have been ranked up by the system. So I can tell you that self made full member to legendary are more than the airdroped members.

[apogio]

yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.
Any data to compare both?

Unless LoyceV has some data, it seems impossible to tell.
But I doubt LoyceV would have such data because most "old-school" legendary members must have become legendary before LoyceV joined the forum and started taking statistics.

[nutildah]

According to DdmrDdmr's Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard, so far 338 accounts have ranked up to Legendary since the time of the merit system implementation, as of March 28th -- check the "Ranked-up" tab.

According to stats in the "Ranking-up Pipeline" tab, there are a total of 2050 Legendary accounts, so 2050 - 338 = 1712 Legenaries pre-merit system.

I'm guessing most of these Legendaries are currently inactive.

Also kind of interesting is that there are 3,683,404 total accounts on the forum according to the forum statistics page. So that means Legendary accounts make up just 0.056% of all accounts.

[BlackBoss_]

When I was a newbie, I was told that the majority of legendary members got their ranks before the merit system. I have become a legendary member and likewise many other persons, yet someone still believes that airdropped legendary members are still more than self-made legendary members.

With the forum existence since 2009, it has gone through many years and eras in it history. Many things changed since 2009 in the world and the forum administrative policies changed over years too.

I don't consider those legendary members as airdropped legendary members and those members only received airdropped merits, not an airdropped Legendary rank.

Old era or new era since merit system kick-off in 2018, there are good and bad members, good posters and shitposters but you are easily recognize good posters through their posts and post history.

Shitposters can have very good and impressive merit history but their posts are shitposts, if you check.

A legendary member from old era is not automatically better than new era legendary member aka. self-made legendary member, and a self-made new era legendary member is not automatically better than old era legendary member. Posts and contributions to community make that member value here, not forum era.

[LoyceV]

I don't care with airdropped legendary nor self made legendary, the most important point they shouldn't shitposting.

Once in a while a Legendary account with exactly 1000 Merits wakes up, and most of the time they'll be shitposting. It's either a hacked account, or an account farmer from back when that was still possible.

Unless LoyceV has some data, it seems impossible to tell.

I have Merit data (from 13 days ago), which shows only 395 users have earned enough Merit to become Legendary on their own. I never stored profile data, but BPIP shows 663 Legendary accounts out of the 1000 users with most Activity. That list ends with 1970 Activity, so the full list would be much longer.

I'm pretty sure this is still true:

I was told that the majority of legendary members got their ranks before the merit system.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Since you asked of data to compare both, @Nutildah has already given you the statistics through the link provided but on a normal sense, you can't compare a mass airdropped legendary rank up and those who struggled to reach legendary ranks through the combination of merits and activity.

Since the merit system was introduced, ranking up to legendary has never really been easy for those who have gathered enough activity and it's a kind of becoming boring to them. My suggestion is that Theymos should set up a panel of judges that will checkmate the eligibility of those who have gotten enough activity but lacked merits to reach legendary ranks. If they are worthy enough to be airdropped the remaining merits, then the panel can decide and send reports to Theymos for an automatic rank up, with this, many users will get the privilege of a legendary rank without having to wait for years to earn enough merits.

Note: This idea should be strictly for legendary ranks alone.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I'm guessing most of these Legendaries are currently inactive.

I have the same opinion. Here the important thing is not the rank achieved by an account if that account is inactive because it was unable to earn merits once the system was introduced. With the exception of 1xBit no campaign hires Legendaries pre-merit system who have not been able to earn merits afterwards. Thus, the vast majority are inactive.

[apogio]

I have Merit data (from 13 days ago), which shows only 395 users have earned enough Merit to become Legendary on their own. I never stored profile data, but BPIP shows 663 Legendary accounts out of the 1000 users with most Activity. That list ends with 1970 Activity, so the full list would be much longer.

Do you mean there are only 395 users with 1000+ merits? I don't understand what you mean 395 have earned enough merits to become legendary. According to BPIP, as you also mentioned, there are much more legendary members with 1000+ merits. 

[FinneysTrueVision]

Do you mean there are only 395 users with 1000+ merits? I don't understand what you mean 395 have earned enough merits to become legendary. According to BPIP, as you also mentioned, there are much more legendary members with 1000+ merits.  

He’s talking about user’s with 1000+ earned merit, i.e. merit that was acquired after the initial airdrop, when the system was introduced. BPIP’s information says there are 396 such users currently.

https://bpip.org/Report?r=earnedmerit

[lovesmayfamilis]

There are, were, and will be heroes at any time. Those who came to the forum in the early days, sincerely interested in Bitcoin or engaged in mining, had one goal: to gain knowledge. Yes, perhaps reading their posts today, they were not skilled writers; their questions were sometimes two lines, but we cannot say in general that they were talentless. At that time, there was a different interest.

The time when some monetary infusions into users, bounties, or company signatures began on the forum showed that dozens, hundreds of those who decided that the forum was not about Bitcoin but about earnings appeared on the forum. And then, of course, "smart guys" appeared, using the forum for their own, well-known, selfish purposes.

But today's high ranks, especially if you pay attention to some local sections, are raised not from a great love for Bitcoin and interest in it, but exclusively from the understanding that you can earn money here. Merits are transferred in a contractual manner, thereby creating the illusion that these heroes who rise in rank are much smarter than those who came to the forum in the first days.

Where there is financial interest, there will always be more of those who want to grab a bigger piece.

[apogio]

He’s talking about user’s with 1000+ earned merit, i.e. merit that was acquired after the initial airdrop, when the system was introduced. BPIP’s information says there are 396 such users currently.

https://bpip.org/Report?r=earnedmerit

Yeah I totally forgot about the airdrop. I guess I was considering that all the Legendaries have accumulated 1000+ merits organically, but that's not the case. In fact, the title says it, but I (somehow) ignored it.

But today's high ranks, especially if you pay attention to some local sections, are raised not from a great love for Bitcoin and interest in it, but exclusively from the understanding that you can earn money here. Merits are transferred in a contractual manner, thereby creating the illusion that these heroes who rise in rank are much smarter than those who came to the forum in the first days.

"Merits are transferred in a contractual manner" -> I am not playing the "romantic" here, but can you elaborate? I am also not denying your claim, I know how things work around here, but I still believe that good members will shine among the others.

[lovesmayfamilis]

But today's high ranks, especially if you pay attention to some local sections, are raised not from a great love for Bitcoin and interest in it, but exclusively from the understanding that you can earn money here. Merits are transferred in a contractual manner, thereby creating the illusion that these heroes who rise in rank are much smarter than those who came to the forum in the first days.

"Merits are transferred in a contractual manner" -> I am not playing the "romantic" here, but can you elaborate? I am also not denying your claim, I know how things work around here, but I still believe that good members will shine among the others.

This is exactly what I wanted to say. There are many talented people on the forum, but there are also those who, due to the number of alternatives, write nonsense or repeat the same thing from topic to topic, simply rearranging the words. I will not list all those from whom I see an exchange of merits; it looks very template. People rate posts that others find not only empty, but also difficult to read. From here we see high ranks, publishing nonsense, but despite this, are evaluated by the same as they are.

For example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=663136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=667920
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=662950
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=815243

I think it's pretty hard not to notice the unique posting style, which is very similar to those who rate the same posts.

[apogio]

This is exactly what I wanted to say. There are many talented people on the forum, but there are also those who, due to the number of alternatives, write nonsense or repeat the same thing from topic to topic, simply rearranging the words. I will not list all those from whom I see an exchange of merits; it looks very template. People rate posts that others find not only empty, but also difficult to read. From here we see high ranks, publishing nonsense, but despite this, are evaluated by the same as they are.

For example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=663136
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=667920
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=662950
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=815243

I think it's pretty hard not to notice the unique posting style, which is very similar to those who rate the same posts.

Yes, it is. Do you think / assume / have evidence that there is also payment-based merit sending? Like users paying others for earning merits.
I don't understand why these users exchange merits though. If I could (for instance) buy 10,000 merits and be a shitposter, would anyone look at me as a serious user? Would I be able to be a campaign member? I am sure not.