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April 03, 2014, 08:16:57 AM
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We have to settle in space, it's not just me wanting to, our population is getting so big Earth just doesn't have the resources or space to support us, at least in space there's infinite vast amounts of area to build stuff in, here you practically have to be a millionaire in order to comfortably live in a major city.

As for not having the technology to do it, that's just because the funding for space exploration now is shit and there's no interest by governments to fund it because they're too busy shooting at each other.
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April 03, 2014, 08:20:39 AM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars

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April 03, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
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We have to settle in space, it's not just me wanting to, our population is getting so big Earth just doesn't have the resources or space to support us, at least in space there's infinite vast amounts of area to build stuff in, here you practically have to be a millionaire in order to comfortably live in a major city.

As for not having the technology to do it, that's just because the funding for space exploration now is shit and there's no interest by governments to fund it because they're too busy shooting at each other.
This is true. If all governments decided to put all their military budgets on space-exploration together we could be colonizing new worlds within our lifetime. Not only just a few people taking part in an experiment, but real colonization.
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April 03, 2014, 09:46:09 AM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars
First of all we'll have to create an atmosphere we could live in? Tongue
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April 03, 2014, 09:49:10 AM
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"It will be Going back to stone age. ..."

Go back far enough and you find giant perfectly crafted stones cut and manipulated with technology in advance of our own current state of affairs.

I'd like to see modern engineers place the baalbek stone in the temple of jupiter. How do you get a block that big up a mountain?
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April 03, 2014, 10:48:28 AM
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We have to settle in space, it's not just me wanting to, our population is getting so big Earth just doesn't have the resources or space to support us

Well... the population growth is declining in all regions of the world, with the exception of Africa and Muslim majority regions of Asia. Population has peaked in China, the most populous nation. So by 2050 or so, the world population will start to decline. The challenge is to preserve the earth until then. Looking at the current pollution levels, the world might become very much uninhabitable by then.  Angry
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April 03, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars
First of all we'll have to create an atmosphere we could live in? Tongue

Just need enough plants and algae to produce oxygen.

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April 03, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars
First of all we'll have to create an atmosphere we could live in? Tongue

Just need enough plants and algae to produce oxygen.
That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.
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April 03, 2014, 12:07:21 PM
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You think this random grownups would have any survival skills ?

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April 03, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
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You think this random grownups would have any survival skills ?
The grown ups will teach the children survival stuff, so yes, the grown ups will.
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April 03, 2014, 12:52:32 PM
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Two tribes who do not practice egalitarianism will realize the other has great new advancements in technology and different things to offer; they participate in trade and improve mutually.  They do this as they have a fundamental understanding of human rights, including civil and property, as they were able to understand why the egalitarian route was detrimental longterm for their survival.  Any tribe which does practice egalitarianism may attempt to conquer the tribes which do not, under the assumption that they, tribe A, deserves the fruits of the labor of non-egalitarian tribes B and C; tribe A does this because it is running seriously low on resources, after having consumed most of them and demoralized their working class, and if they don't conquer anyone, they will soon perish.  If unsuccessful, tribe A will disappear, and so have a huge life-or-death incentive to go to war.  If successful, tribe A's strongest will assume control over tribes B and C and, if he didn't already, will come up with a name for himself along the lines of "king" or "president". 
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Tribes B and C have better technology thanks to mutual trade. Tribe A attack is unsuccessful. Tribe A perishes and another tribes D,E,F,... will see advantages of voluntary cooperation and steer away from egalitarianism.
What happens then? They adopt Bitcoin eventually?
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April 03, 2014, 02:18:39 PM
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egalitarianism = socialism ?

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April 05, 2014, 01:27:58 PM
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egalitarianism = socialism ?

They are not the same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

But in the abovementioned case I (and perhaps OP?) meant economic egalitarianism of outcome. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_outcome)
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April 05, 2014, 01:44:01 PM
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That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

I don't think that atmospheric Oxygen can be maintained in Mars, due to the low gravity. So we might need a continuous supply, to balance the gradual loss of Oxygen to the outer space.
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April 05, 2014, 01:53:30 PM
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That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

I don't think that atmospheric Oxygen can be maintained in Mars, due to the low gravity. So we might need a continuous supply, to balance the gradual loss of Oxygen to the outer space.

If the asteroid is big enough it can add to the gravity but can make mars unlivable for a million years. Living on mars would be on enclosed domes or underground.

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April 05, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars
First of all we'll have to create an atmosphere we could live in? Tongue

Just need enough plants and algae to produce oxygen.
That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

Elysium Cool
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April 05, 2014, 02:02:52 PM
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It will be Going back to stone age. I think something like is being planned for mars
First of all we'll have to create an atmosphere we could live in? Tongue

Just need enough plants and algae to produce oxygen.
That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

Elysium Cool

More bigger than Elysium. Actually a big mother ship that has many Elysium like cities inside.

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April 05, 2014, 02:06:01 PM
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That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

I don't think that atmospheric Oxygen can be maintained in Mars, due to the low gravity. So we might need a continuous supply, to balance the gradual loss of Oxygen to the outer space.
It is possible, however, the low gravity and the lack of a magnetic shield would make the atmosphere disappear out to space much quicker than on the earth. However, it will still take a few million years for it to become to thin for humans to live there.
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April 05, 2014, 02:21:07 PM
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That wouldn't be enough. First of all we'd need an atmosphere of some kind. One way would be guiding asteroids into Martian volcanos.

I don't think that atmospheric Oxygen can be maintained in Mars, due to the low gravity. So we might need a continuous supply, to balance the gradual loss of Oxygen to the outer space.
It is possible, however, the low gravity and the lack of a magnetic shield would make the atmosphere disappear out to space much quicker than on the earth. However, it will still take a few million years for it to become to thin for humans to live there.

This is not a problem if we live underground.

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April 05, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
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This is not a problem if we live underground.

What? Oxygen will not escape to outer-space if we live underground?
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