Is Saint-loup cheating LiveCasino.io signature campaign? What do you think?

[Lida93]

Best punishment would have been to suspend a week's pay , just to let him and all other campaign members know what the consequences are for this..and probably some comments on the spreadsheet to alert everyone that you have an eagles eye on them.

Yea that could be a good punishment too but I think removing the user from the campaign ASAP as the CM has just did could still be considered as best decision taken to serve as deterrence to not just others in livecasino.io but to other signature campaign participants about integrity.

No matter how astute anyone could try to get on with cheating or acting smart in the wrong manner it could only take long before you'll be caught up in the very act and the consequence will be regretful and full of "had I known".

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Regarding banning post editing in the campaign rules.
That seems just silly. Every organic poster edits their posts sooner or later. Mistakes happen and new information becomes available. I am often writing on mobile and typos sometimes happen. If I see them later on on PC I always edit those posts or even rewrite some sentences if I feel I could have said it better.

In some forum [I can not remember where I had that experience] they allow editing for x number of minutes and after that you can not edit the post. Well, I don't think theymos cares about it at all.

Can we have our extortionist to give Saint-loup a red tag?

Bot AKA LoyceV, what do you think?
If someone believe a user like me can exit scam then they should tag me [obviously when the feedback sender will have to be personal issue with the feedback receiver and the sender has to be in power with DT inclusion] then this type of abuse should be justified with a red tag by Vod. In fact this was a type of scam [when you have personal issue then by any means you can justify it] you can say which the user laterally stealing the payment from the campaign.

[ryzaadit]

I think many people post like that and it's a rather common practice when you are in a campaign requiring high quality posts.

The answer is no.

I think the things you're sharing, you can either come back later at the time you have time to post/write or you can use "Draft" you stored your word and post and come back later to continue your post write.

Many people who want to created a thread/post with quality thread/post are mostly using "Draft" cause we feels the post/thread not enough and we still looking information as resource referring for our post with inputed the link as reference off course.


By the way, If you do these is because the threshold signature campaign 25 post/weeks are hard for you. The decision is on you too, you can leave the campaign and joined a campaign with paid-per-post without threshold post to be paid. You have a free time to post anytime you want, and you still getting paid what you post without any pressure at all from the minimum post to be qualified you getting paid.

[Porfirii]

Although what Saint-loup did was not expressly forbidden, I think that we all understand that what he did wasn't totally fair. On weekends most of us have more time to write, but we have to settle for having a limited number of posts counted on those days, and that is in the rules.

I don't wish harm on anyone and I'm sorry for what happened to you Saint-loup. Now that things are clear and this thread has already served its purpose of informing the case, I hope you can get over it soon.

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Regarding banning post editing in the campaign rules.
That seems just silly. Every organic poster edits their posts sooner or later. Mistakes happen and new information becomes available. I am often writing on mobile and typos sometimes happen. If I see them later on on PC I always edit those posts or even rewrite some sentences if I feel I could have said it better.

Thanks for the clarification, Trofo.

Many of us edit our posts after rereading them. Writing "Edit:" is a good practice in the forum, but in case of typos or when you change or delete a sentence, it usually doesn't fit well. So I agree that banning editing wouldn't make much sense.

[Alone055]

By the way, If you do these is because the threshold signature campaign 25 post/weeks are hard for you. The decision is on you too, you can leave the campaign and joined a campaign with paid-per-post without threshold post to be paid. You have a free time to post anytime you want, and you still getting paid what you post without any pressure at all from the minimum post to be qualified you getting paid.

The campaign in question doesn't have and never had a minimum post threshold:

3. There is no minimum number of posts that need to be written. We will pay up to 25 posts per week.

Also cleared by @Trofo here:

We don't even have minimum post requirements in our campaign. 5 good posts per week would be fine by us but that means just 20$ payment instead of 100$.

[dkbit98]

This was such a silly way to get kicked out of good campaign and make yourself look suspicious.  
If you don't have time to post on some days than just bookmark the topics you want for later.
It happens to me sometimes that I edit my posts, make small corrections or add additional text, but never like this.
I first thought his account ownership changed hands because of password reset done last year, but he continue posting in his local board in similar style.

[cryptofrka]

Can we have our extortionist to give Saint-loup a red tag?

We're the damaged party in this case and we don't believe this is a case that warrants a red tag so I hope we don't see it from somebody else.
The punishment is appropriate and a neutral tag is there for those that will want to know more about this case.

As far as we're concerned, the case is closed. Would have preferred a 'sorry boys, was a bit of a dick' than silly excuses though. We did our due diligence and there's no doubt about what the reasons for those edits were.

[The Cryptovator]

Though I can't call it direct cheating, it was definitely a manipulation. He isn't respecting the manager's rules and not delivering for what he has paid. I don't know why he has been doing this when he is free to make posts anytime. Manipulating posts is really shady behaviour.

This type of activity could lead to managers not allowing edited posts to count which IMO I think would be great. Is he cheating? Technically no, but other managers may not feel the same way. Depends on the rules for the most part.

As a manager you can add this rule if you like, but I believe a post can be edited if necessary. But not like Saint-loup's manipulation. Due to various reasons, we might need to edit posts sometimes; it doesn't mean everyone is manipulating it.

This is something that we don't have exactly covered by the rules but burst posting sort of covers it. It is done in a way that is very difficult for us to catch since we are obviously going through posts on deadline and I would bet he isn't doing it in the threads which we frequent often, like paid pools and competitions. This also explains why he doesn't write in these threads a lot which was always a bit curious to me since they provide best place for sports discussion whitout spam and he is part of all of them.

That's why it's very important to visit users' post history and posting behaviour occasionally during the campaign before the final post count. So it will make sure quality of the posts and campaign as well; it will deliver the best results for companies.

When I had been managing campaigns, I occasionally visited participants' posts history. Because it's the manager's responsibility to deliver better quality to companies.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Can we have our extortionist to give Saint-loup a red tag?

We're the damaged party in this case and we don't believe this is a case that warrants a red tag so I hope we don't see it from somebody else.
The punishment is appropriate and a neutral tag is there for those that will want to know more about this case.

As far as we're concerned, the case is closed. Would have preferred a 'sorry boys, was a bit of a dick' than silly excuses though. We did our due diligence and there's no doubt about what the reasons for those edits were.

It was a sarcasm if you failed to understand and you including none are the extortionist I called out. Obviously nice return from the Bot.

[robelneo]

But to be honest, I think many people post like that and it's a rather common practice when you are in a campaign requiring high quality posts.

How can you say that, bro, when you are the only one caught doing it? If you know others who posted like that, then mention them here, and it's not common, based on my experience.
 
If this is tolerated, then we will have many discussions with short messages, which will then be edited on the weekend, It's ok to edit your post, but do it as soon as you find an error in your post.
Even if this is not included in the rules, it's common sense that we should not manipulate our posts.

Anyway, it's a learning experience for us. I hope that in the future you can find other campaigns, and I'm sure you will be better.

[Rikafip]

How can you say that, bro, when you are the only one caught doing it? If you know others who posted like that, then mention them here, and it's not common, based on my experience.

I don't know whether there are many that are doing this, but he is not the first member caught doing it. The only difference is that it was usually done by lower rank members who were merit farming that way, and this is the first time I see established Legendary member doing it.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

but it's the very first time someone even makes a comment about that while I'm here since 8 years. So I'm surprised he opened a thread for that whithout even bother to talk to me before.

I don't know how often you have been on and off the forum, but I believe I have witnessed a couple of cases where members did the same thing as you did, threads about them were made in reputation board, and they were removed from the campaigns. If I am not mistaken, they even received negative tags so, don't think that you were being witch hunted.

I didn't know it was prohibited by any rule including campaign's rules, and if I know my campaign managers didn't accept that, of course I wouldn't do it. How I could hide it?

If you look at what you did critically without involving emotions, it wasn't the right thing. A brand is paying you to advertise them.

But to be honest, I think many people post like that and it's a rather common practice when you are in a campaign requiring high quality posts.

It still doesn't make it right.