I left that feedback knowing it would probably lead to...

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I am happy to see a good ending for babo. It only happened because he realized the situation and decided to play by Vod's rule. I was reading the recent replies on that topic and wanted to pick the statement that I think will be very interesting to discuss and discover [seems like many of you have not discovered it yet] how Vod use his DT power and trust feedback.

There is nothing wrong with an occasional show of consequence to maintain the rules, and I left that feedback knowing it would probably lead to the feedback removal and an apology not to do it again.    That indeed was the result and I don't think anyone will try that again (soon).

The bold part explains it all, this is our topic to discuss. We are allowing Vod to misuse feedback system by using his DT power to achieve certain goals he set for himself.

A few recent incidents we can consider to see the messup Vod is causing the community.
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Vod left the feedback to Babo to get his feedback removal and to receive an apology.
2⬇️
Vod left a neutral [the first one that I noticed after a few months, read a brief] calling me I will exit scam because I had my opinions in the topic where he was attacking two Ukrainians and my opinions were not supporting his attacks. I am not a man to play by Vod's rules [I stood up for those two because I believed I had to, thanks Etranger that at-least he acknowledged] so neutral turned to red and many unpleasant incidents had happened in between.
3⬇️
Vod removed the feedback from Etranger because it was resolve via PM [We can expect there was a situation like, "I apologies", "Sorry" and things like that from Etranger so that Vod feel he is THE POWERFUL]. On the other hand, the feedback on DrBeer's [the other Ukrainian] profile is still there.

My two questions [open for all because everyone who are in this community for long time and dedicating their time are the same stakeholders of this community as Vod]:
[1] Can Vod continue threatening others to kneel down and force to obey his rules by misusing the feedback system as his power?
[2] Should the forum members continue DT voting for Vod and allow him to keep the ticket to continue his bullying with negative / neutral feedback?

When I say Vod is an extortionist, it's not always related to money. It also related to "I [Vod] remove your feedback if you do what I want". To justify his [Vod] extortions he obviously use lies which makes Vod a liar too.

Not self moderated but please stay on topic. This is not a topic about going for gender discussion, discussion about free speech, religion, requesting/discussing the success stories from the past clients of a clinic and any of these off-topics.
Thank you.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I realized this can be a forum related discussion too so I moved it from the Reputation board to meta. Theymos clearly suggested that retaliation should be avoided.

All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.

[LoyceV]

I can quite literally just quote myself and it still applies:

@BitcoinGirl.Club: this is not the place to expand your feud with Vod. You have 2 topics for that in Reputation already.

Meta
Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum.

Not self moderated but please stay on topic.

Not self-moderated because you posted this on Meta, where you can't self-moderate topics.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I can quite literally just quote myself and it still applies:

@BitcoinGirl.Club: this is not the place to expand your feud with Vod. You have 2 topics for that in Reputation already.

Meta
Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum.

Not self moderated but please stay on topic.

Not self-moderated because you posted this on Meta, where you can't self-moderate topics.

Bot you really need to stop picking up a line or two from topics where your lines are not even close to the topic idea. Don't you think I know about the forum as much as you do?

Not self-moderated because you posted this on Meta, where you can't self-moderate topics.

You don't even read posts, followed post and other things but come with suggestions/opinions to fix others, which sometimes lead a topic to another direction. Have you read where the original topic was posted? Of course not.

I can quite literally just quote myself and it still applies:

@BitcoinGirl.Club: this is not the place to expand your feud with Vod. You have 2 topics for that in Reputation already.

Vod is the perfect example to use to prevent this type of feedback leaving practice and aware others so that they can use their DT voting correctly. This make it a "Discussion about the Bitcoin Forum"

[OgNasty]

I find both this behavior by a DT member and the person defending this behavior to be absolutely shocking. Sarcasm of course. Obviously the Default Trust network has been in shambles for a while. A direct result of being managed by a person who makes empty threats to abusers and hangs people he tasked with keeping it legitimate out to dry.

[examplens]

My two questions [open for all because everyone who are in this community for long time and dedicating their time are the same stakeholders of this community as Vod]:
[1] Can Vod continue threatening others to kneel down and force to obey his rules by misusing the feedback system as his power?
[2] Should the forum members continue DT voting for Vod and allow him to keep the ticket to continue his bullying with negative / neutral feedback?

When I say Vod is an extortionist, it's not always related to money. It also related to "I [Vod] remove your feedback if you do what I want". To justify his [Vod] extortions he obviously use lies which makes Vod a liar too.

Since Vod is on my trust list, I will write how I see your case here. Somehow, I was also involved in the @babo case you mentioned, so I followed what was happening. If we were to look dispassionately at Vod's actions in that case, wouldn't it be possible to conclude that he behaved exactly the way a DT member should have? He ^Vod recognized his mistake, admitted it, and corrected it. That qualifies him more for the DT selection than the other way around. I didn't fully follow the case of Etranger, but if he drew negative feedback there, that only confirms my conclusion.

The two of you have some kind of conflict, therefore, it excludes both of you from an objective discussion on a topic like the one you started. Probably, Etranger and babo should give the conclusion, whether they feel extorted.

This is just my view of things, it does not necessarily mean that I am right.

[babo]

Since Vod is on my trust list, I will write how I see your case here. Somehow, I was also involved in the @babo case you mentioned, so I followed what was happening. If we were to look dispassionately at Vod's actions in that case, wouldn't it be possible to conclude that he behaved exactly the way a DT member should have? He ^Vod recognized his mistake, admitted it, and corrected it. That qualifies him more for the DT selection than the other way around. I didn't fully follow the case of Etranger, but if he drew negative feedback there, that only confirms my conclusion.

The two of you have some kind of conflict, therefore, it excludes both of you from an objective discussion on a topic like the one you started. Probably, Etranger and babo should give the conclusion, whether they feel extorted.

This is just my view of things, it does not necessarily mean that I am right.

I just want to say one thing about this, I haven't commented anymore if you noticed
I want to say something very strong, I hope you understand what I mean

recognizing the personal mistakes is a sign of maturity, of humility and only real men do it

so, i mean, vod and you too, dear examplens, you have earned my esteem and my respect 

[nutildah]

Obviously the Default Trust network has been in shambles for a while.

As a counter opinion to this, I think the exact opposite. For the last 3 years or so it has been working largely as intended. Gone are the days when DT can easily get away with slapping negative trust on others for the simple reason of not agreeing with their opinion. There are very few "DT bullies" now compared to the old days. This is a result of an effective implementation of checks, balances & incentives that encourage proper use of the trust system.

[Vod]

Obviously the Default Trust network has been in shambles for a while.

As a counter opinion to this, I think the exact opposite. For the last 3 years or so it has been working largely as intended. Gone are the days when DT can easily get away with slapping negative trust on others for the simple reason of not agreeing with their opinion. There are very few "DT bullies" now compared to the old days. This is a result of an effective implementation of checks, balances & incentives that encourage proper use of the trust system.

Part of the reason is the break up between the boss and the bookie.     The rest of his quote:

A direct result of being managed by a person who makes empty threats to abusers and hangs people he tasked with keeping it legitimate out to dry.

Did Theymos actually ask you to keep default trust legitimate (whatever that means) while paying you and making you a merit source?

Edit:  OP - why would you expect babo to apologize to me - I was never injured.   Sober up.  

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

He ^Vod recognized his mistake, admitted it, and corrected it.

Well said, so I would like to ask you the same question that I asked the Bot long time ago and Bot really never had a response about it [I guess he never will be able to answer it until the conflict with his own interest removes].

[...]
I'm more surprised someone's willing to destroy 9 years of reputation this way.

Are you endorsing the red feedback left by Vod when you are thinking about my reputation?

I go back more and go back to the very first incident that created all these, that first neutral feedback where Vod wrote that I will exit scam.

Worried about this user - they may be planning an exit. They are attacking me for warning others of a large scam, while they have warned others of many smaller scams. Read other's feedback and trade with caution.

Do you endorse this [neutral feedback calling me exit scam] feedback and the other feedback including the red one left by Vod?
You may find an excuse that you did not follow the conflict between us. I wrote many times all over the reputation board, you may find it. However you can see an exclusive summary here [You will get answer of one of the questions you had for me long time ago too].

You wanted to hear Etranger's conclusion [I expect he will give here but in case he does not] you can read some of these following posts by Etranger which he wrote by addessing me.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5538473.msg65329931#msg65329931
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5538473.msg65330082#msg65330082
And then I asked him not to post anymore about it which is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5538473.msg65330150#msg65330150

@babo, really? I don't see it's your fault though.

Edit:  OP - why would you expect babo to apologize to me - I was never injured.   Sober up.  

I didn't expect, you expected it as per your own opinion. What do you call it? Bozo?

[Shishir99]

Not self-moderated because you posted this on Meta, where you can't self-moderate topics.

 

I feel like you are kind of upset with BitcoinGirl.Club and don't want to read his posts anymore. Once you make up your mind like "I don't like this guy anymore", you won't find any positivity from them. You ignored the entire topic and pointed out something that satisfied your mind, which was made up a couple of weeks ago. I did not want to write anything because I had enough entertainment seeing their fights already. But I laughed seeing your comment. Probably you would be right if this were initially posted in Meta. But I don't see any Moved locked thread on Meta 

[LoyceV]

I feel like you are kind of upset with BitcoinGirl.Club and don't want to read his posts anymore.

He's very close to my ignore list indeed, and tried to bait me several times while I told him he can't expect a response in a self-moderated reputation thread. Since then, he's brought that up in multiple other threads. There's not much to discuss with BitcoinGirl.Club after this:

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

Once you make up your mind like "I don't like this guy anymore", you won't find any positivity from them.

I don't have to "find positivity" from anyone.

You ignored the entire topic

I responded with exactly what this topic deserved:

I can quite literally just quote myself and it still applies:

@BitcoinGirl.Club: this is not the place to expand your feud with Vod. You have 2 topics for that in Reputation already.

Everyone else ignored this topic too while it was in Meta.

I laughed seeing your comment. Probably you would be right if this were initially posted in Meta. But I don't see any Moved locked thread on Meta 

I'm glad your ignorance made you laugh Have you ever moved a topic? "Post a redirection topic." is optional. Which is why I have a Good report in my history for moving this to Reputation.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Which is why I have a Good report in my history for moving this to Reputation.

I don't think there are anything for you to add [feeling you achieved a trophy], when a report made by users like LoyceV obviously the mod do not go and investigate the topic but approve the suggestions. I am sure if mod was reading my response and reason [the topic may look like about Vod and my conflicts but it has the essence to discuss in general apply of trust and feedback] then they would had a second thought.

You were not aware that the initial board of this topic was Reputation and then I moved it to Meta? I was expecting at least an acknowledgement from you if not apology.

Not self-moderated because you posted this on Meta, where you can't self-moderate topics.

Does this make yourself laugh? I suggest you to stop commenting on things where you can not show that you have fair contribution to that discussion. It looks bad on you Loyce, it looks like you are not the LoyceV that everyone respect. You lost that respect when you ignored my straight question about your recommendation. In fact you are not able to give a fair answer for that because it indeed is conflicting your interest.

[Xiestar]

This drama will never be extended if only the 2 party involved will reconcile and talk seriously without the butting in. Yet both you just seeking for support to prove the other party is wrong that’s why this will never end.

Those extra side comments that stir the issue to make it a big deal make the forum drama worst. And guess what, Because of the +1 post on signature campaign.

Only @Vod is legitimately posting on this board without the hypocrisy of signature campaign. Smh!

[LoyceV]

when a report made by users like LoyceV obviously the mod do not go and investigate the topic but approve the suggestions.

You seem to have lost your touch with reality. Any other fake news you want to spread?

You have reported 10466 posts with 99% accuracy (9975 good, 110 bad, 381 unhandled).

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

when a report made by users like LoyceV obviously the mod do not go and investigate the topic but approve the suggestions.

You seem to have lost your touch with reality. Any other fake news you want to spread?

You have reported 10466 posts with 99% accuracy (9975 good, 110 bad, 381 unhandled).

I keep telling that you have conflict of interest otherwise why in the earth you still do not go into discussion about the main topic rather you want to bring out your report history, teaching me which board to post, telling others I am close to your ignore list [as like you are thinking it is going to hurt my ego]. You are giving my words more legitimacy by avoiding the main discussion. You are incapable of discussing the main topic hence you are diverting topics in other directions, not once, not twice but many times.

I ask you again

[...]
I'm more surprised someone's willing to destroy 9 years of reputation this way.

Are you endorsing the red feedback left by Vod when you are thinking about my reputation?

If you have answer for it then continue otherwise I will request you not to give anymore input to my topic especially the topics about Vod, topics about feedback and DT system [your views are compromised in these matters]. You are making yourself look bad by doing it.

For the record, there are nothing that can be a News that I am trying to spread [except Vod's stupidity]. In fact, by bringing the report history, you are again giving legitimacy to my words, when LoyceV reports then mod really don't look into deep, they think by default there are value in the report. If they were checking the details then they would have a second thought.

Now, I hope you will at-least respect the request I asked from you, at-least behave a little like the LoyceV we used to know.

Looks like you advertise yourself as the "Thick-Skinned Gang Leader" [I doubt you truly is] if so I think I can start advertising me as "The voice of the community".

[OgNasty]

Only [fucking morons are] legitimately posting on this board without the hypocrisy of signature campaign. Smh!

There, I fixed that for you.  If you're posting on this site day after day and weeding through the nonsense by spammers and not being paid for it...  Why are you here?  There's almost no real economic activity that happens here anymore.  No new services even bother posting threads here anymore because of the environment that has allowed trolls to take over the forum and spread lies about anyone that doesn't kneel to their extortion attempts.  This thread is a perfect example.  How is the most trusted DT member in here standing up for a confirmed extortionist?  He has to, or else the mentally ill will target him, and he doesn't have the testicle fortitude to do anything about it but be a bitch and support the harassment of others in hopes it spares him.  This is the state of this website nowadays.  Cowards pretending to be the moral police while cowering to mentally ill idiots who attempt to extort others and can't even wipe their own ass.

[Vod]

Only [fucking morons are] legitimately posting on this board without the hypocrisy of signature campaign. Smh!

How is the most trusted DT member in here standing up for a confirmed extortionist?  

For those confused, OgNasty claims I'm been convicted of extortion but won't provide evidence, the same way he suggested there was a PM that Theymos had, but would not provide evidence.    These continued lies are being addressed, but clearly OgNasty is still playing his game he admits can cost him everything.

Now, I hope you will at-least respect the request I asked from you, at-least behave a little like the LoyceV we used to know.

LoyceV is better than ever.   Start a moderated thread if you want to censor.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I'm been convicted of extortion

You are an extortionist and a liar is clearly visible by everyone [none of it are private that happen between you and me]. The only matter of fact that no one is brave enough to even talk about it because they realized by now that you will give them red tag and they don't want it. You are lucky that you are surrounded by some cowards. If you were to be a real man then you would feel ashamed of this achievement.

LoyceV is better than ever.   Start a moderated thread if you want to censor.

This is a LoyceV who loves excuses to avoid on topic discussion because the on topic discussion will conflicts with his own interest. In a self moderated thread he will excuse [in a reply of the self moderated thread itself LOL] it is self-moderated thread but when the similar topic which is not self moderated then he will direct it towards different direction. This LoyceV does not even read posts but comes with suggestions and advice [pretends like others have less understanding about the forum than him]. This LoyceV does not even admit that he was wrong and seek an apology [when proven]. So if are you talking about the old LoyceV, he is no more, RIP.

[Shishir99]

I'm glad your ignorance made you laugh Have you ever moved a topic? "Post a redirection topic." is optional. Which is why I have a Good report in my history for moving this to Reputation.

Learned something new from here. I don't remember if I ever moved any topic between boards, even if I did, I don't remember if posting a redirection topic is optional. But I trust you. Did you say you reported this thread to be moved to this board, and it was marked as a good report? I know you are one of the forum members with a lot of forum knowledge, which is why I respect you as well. But I feel like you are not the same LoyceV I used to know. You had thick skin, and you used to like replying to people with logic, and seeing a case from both directions.