Trump is meeting with the new head of al-Qaeda terrorists! LOL

[pooya87]

At this point it is just a matter of finding new ways for US regime to announce its support of al-Qaeda terrorists
I remember about 2 decades ago when the US senator John McCain met with various heads of takfiri terrorist group including ISIS (ie. al-Baghdadi) nobody wanted to believe it in the West, even after the pictures came out.

Today Trump is directly meeting and shaking the hands of the new head of al-Qaeda in Syria, al-Jolani who is the follower of Bin-Laden. It looks like nobody wants to believe this either LOL

It becomes even funnier when you learn that US itself has a million dollar reward on al-Jolani's head!
And UN also has him in its list of international terrorists!!
The Wild West... literally.

P.S. Who was behind 9-11 terrorist attack again?

[franky1]

i thought you were against isreal whereby you fully supported the rebels groups of arabian-muslim background
after all you support hamas and houthi rebel groups

cant you make your mind up?

to clarify, this meeting shows that the west are not afraid of the arab rebels terror groups of past or present
trump is trying to also prevent syria from starting attacks on isreal before they start

after all trump has already got the houthi rebels to back off

..
is this now your change of mind moment, now the houthi's are no longer funded by iran and houthi attacks stopped. you are realising you have to change your support to something new

so who do you support now. which rebel group do you agree with?

..

also syria's new president wasnt a leader of al-queda, he actually pulled away from being affiliated with al-queda by forming a group that wanted to reform and change the nature of certain people and to rid syria of its old totalitarian president

[Fiatless]

If any group or individual who counters the US and its allies due to their overbearing interference in the activities of sovereign nations, they are called terrorists. But if you support them to carryout their agenda in any part of the world, the US will call them freedom fighters. All Ahmed al-Sharaa a well-known terrorist with a $10m bounty on his head did to become a freedom fighter was to change his thobe and keffiyeh to suits and pledge his support for the US and its partners.

[franky1]

All Ahmed al-Sharaa (a well-known terrorist with a $10m bounty on his head) did to become a freedom fighter was to change his thobe and keffiyeh to suits and pledge his support for the US and its partners.

he actually got rid of a totalitarian president, and told all the rebel groups to disband, stop fighting.. but yea now he wears a suit and as you only noticed the suit, says more about all you noticed

anyway. syria doesnt have all sanctions removed due to this deal, only the ones that prevented the native peaceful citizens from prospering/developing..
other sanctions still are in effect that will be used to ensure the new president doesnt go down a dark path of history

[tvbcof]

i thought you were against isreal whereby you fully supported the rebels groups of arabian-muslim background
after all you support hamas and houthi rebel groups

cant you make your mind up?

to clarify, this meeting shows that the west are not afraid of the arab rebels terror groups of past or present
trump is trying to also prevent syria from starting attacks on isreal before they start

after all trump has already got the houthi rebels to back off

..
is this now your change of mind moment, now the houthi's are no longer funded by iran and houthi attacks stopped. you are realising you have to change your support to something new

so who do you support now. which rebel group do you agree with?

Everyone (who matters) on both sides knows that most of the 'rebel groups of arabian-muslim background', the head-choppers, Hamas, etc, are inventions of the Israelis with plenty of help from the Zionists they've installed in the Western governments.  Particularly the American government.  Pics like the above just make people who are in the know chuckle.

Terrorism and subterfuge has been a 'Jewish' thing for just about forever as it is a key element of their religion.  The Zionist think they are so clever because they have fooled a bunch of mouth-breathing mainstream media consumers.  The reality is that it's really not that much of a super-power and, while it can be useful to have an army of MAGA and quasi-Christinan golem's supporting certain projects, the higher tier players are not being chumped.  They may be bought off, but they are not fooled.

[franky1]

Everyone (who matters) on both sides knows that most of the 'rebel groups of arabian-muslim background', the head-choppers, Hamas, etc, are inventions of the Israelis with plenty of help from the Zionists they've installed in the Western governments.  Particularly the American government.  Pics like the above just make people who are in the know chuckle.

Terrorism and subterfuge has been a 'Jewish' thing for just about forever as it is a key element of their religion.  The Zionist think they are so clever because they have fooled a bunch of mouth-breathing mainstream media consumers.  The reality is that it's really not that much of a super-power and, while it can be useful to have an army of MAGA and quasi-Christinan golem's supporting certain projects, the higher tier players are not being chumped.  They may be bought off, but they are not fooled.

you have absolutely everything incorrect on both sides

hamas came about from iran funding and plotting, not isreal

throughout history,even before TV and "mainstream media" jews(isreali) an muslim(arabs(palestinian and others))) have been at odds with each other, even before the ottoman empire days and long before the crusades
its a multi millenium old saga before propaganda and 'media' was even a thing
try to learn some actual history for context of modern stuff, then you can weed through the modern media drama to know whats real and whats just propaganda

the area called isreal has always had changes but isreal was a thing before Palestine millennia's ago. yes there was some catholic and christian movement in the middle and then back to jew vs muslim.. but when a small narrow minded group of idiots get paid to genocide jews on occasion over time, whom then pretend that when jews fight back its the jews genocide arabs, even though isreali's are not actually trying to kill all arabs. just defending their land from the small rebel groups of idiots paid to fire at them
you might see the bigger picture

also
dont confuse houthi. hamas and al-queda with the greater arab population that actually want peace.
dont confuse the fighters that are arab that go against al-queda and a totalitarian president

[mikeywith]

throughout history,even before TV and "mainstream media" jews(isreali) an muslim(arabs(palestinian and others))) have been at odds with each other, even before the ottoman empire days and long before the crusades
its a multi millenium old saga before propaganda and 'media' was even a thing

That's simply not true. Historically, Arab Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together in relative harmony for centuries -- especially during the Ottoman Empire. When Jews were expelled from Spain during the Inquisition in 1492, they sought refuge in the Ottoman Empire, where they were welcomed and allowed to rebuild their communities. This is a well-documented fact.

I can walk you through Jewish history from the tribes in Medina around 570 CE, all the way through to the 1970s, when everything began to change with the rise of Zionism -- a political movement that was largely supported and shaped by European powers, particularly Britain. Ironically, the very idea of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine arose in part because European nations didn't want Jewish people settling within their own borders. Historically speaking, no one treated Jews worse than Christian Europe.

If you actually read Jewish historians like Shelomo Dov Goitein, Norman Stillman, and Mark R. Cohen, you'd learn that Jews lived more peacefully and prosperously in Islamic lands than in Christian ones. These scholars, through extensive research, have shown that antisemitism in the Islamic world was almost non-existent, contrary to how things were in Europe.

But judging by what you've written, it doesn't seem like you've engaged with serious historical scholarship. Instead, you're just repeating simplified narratives and misinformation, likely influenced by modern media echo chambers. For anyone who actually reads and studies real history, nearly everything you said in this thread is inaccurate.

[BADecker]

All that Trump is doing is inserting himself on both sides to gradually move things towards peace.

The thing that Trump may not realize that he is doing, is that he is furthering the US/Western banking system, which is ultimately the cause of all the wars.


Donald Trump Wants to Transform Gaza into a “U.S. Territory”? Goodbye to “Greater Israel”?


https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-does-donald-trump-want-to-transform-gaza-into-a-u-s-territory/5879488
n early February, barely two weeks after his inauguration, President Trump intimated that Gaza would become a US territory, with a view to developing a luxury real estate project with mansions, luxury apartments, hotels and casinos.

How many years would it take to remove the ruble and rebuild?

Under Trump's advisory, Palestinians would be relocated and excluded from their homeland.

"I would like Egypt to take people,…You're talking about probably a million and a half people, and we just clean out that whole thing and say: 'You know, it's over.'" [Trump told the king of Jordan] ….

"I would love for you to take on more, 'cause I am looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now, and it's a mess. It's a real mess."

Will this Multi-billion Dollar Real Estate Project be Carried Out? 

It's doubtful. There is an unspoken objective, which is barely mentioned by the mainstream media.

As outlined by Felicity Arbuthnot with foresight 11 years ago in a December, 30 2013 article:

"Israel is set to become a major exporter of gas and some oil, "If All Goes to Plan"". 

Arbuthnot was referring to the ownership of Gaza's maritime natural gas reserves, which belong to the State of Palestine. 

At the time of writing, the Netanyahu government is planning to appropriate these maritime gas reserves. What this signifies is that Israel is intent upon annexing Gaza as well as destroying an entire country.

The maritime gas reserves belong to Palestine. Israel's war against Gaza commenced prior to October 7, 2023 with the outright theft of Palestine's maritime natural gas reserves. which are part of The Levant's vast maritime corridor of of natural gas reserves in the Easter Mediterranean.
...

[franky1]

throughout history,even before TV and "mainstream media" jews(isreali) an muslim(arabs(palestinian and others))) have been at odds with each other, even before the ottoman empire days and long before the crusades
its a multi millenium old saga before propaganda and 'media' was even a thing

That's simply not true. Historically, Arab Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived together in relative harmony for centuries -- especially during the Ottoman Empire. When Jews were expelled from Spain during the Inquisition in 1492, they sought refuge in the Ottoman Empire, where they were welcomed and allowed to rebuild their communities. This is a well-documented fact.

i didnt write a novel sized wall of text explaining all the stuff but i do see how you took one time and rebutted with a totally different time
EG i simply mention pre ottoman.. and you instead wrote about in(during) the ottoman times

yes changes happened multiple times over multiple millennia. and yes there were hundreds of years of peace times inbetween different periods too.
but there were many infighting of muslims whom didnt recognise other religions and thus fought and tried to convert jews and christians to islam*

so muslims and jews were not always inlove with each over for all of the millenia that the changes to isreal/palestine area kept changing majority occupation
yes i dont deny how christians are also involved hence mentioning the crusades too. but seeing how muslims fought non muslims and tried to converts jews to islam is your foolish attempt at pretending 'relative harmony'..

*(hint: learn what happened to those that refused to convert, they were not offered harmony/refuge)

however point is that isreal existed before palestine
so these days with rebel groups(not all arabs/muslims) such as hamas now fighting all of isreal wanting to get rid of all jews who identify as isreali
(their motto 'death to america, death to isreal')

shows that although the peaceful arabs citizens of many middle eastern states just want peace.. the REBEL GROUPS of things like hamas are not the victims of genocide. but trying to start a genocide of isreali's
its HAMAS that want genocide, even though hamas dont have claim on the historic land

also to note and emphasis again:
it seems some cant distinguish the radical/rebel/terrorist subset groups apart from the greater population/demographics of people 

[pooya87]

Another way of analyzing this situation is by looking at the desperation of the US regime itself. Otherwise under normal circumstances they would never allow their highest ranking official (ie. the president) to be seen in the same city as a globally recognized terrorist like al-Jolani let alone shake hands with him. Specially when he is a member of terrorist organization that Americans are familiar with (ie. al-Qaeda) since CIA used it to attack American people on 9/11.

That desperation is growing every day as the US government's budget deficit and the national debt grows as they also keep losing the economic war they started against China. This is why Trump is in West Asia to "earn" some money! We saw that in his meeting with the Arab dictators clearly.

Shaking hands with one of the heads of al-Qaeda is exactly out of that desperation. He basically told his proxy to hand over Syrian resources to US. What's interesting is that Syria doesn't have that much more to give and US regime has already been pillaging their gas and oil resources!! Which shows the level of that desperation...

But al-Jolani himself is a dead man walking (or rather dead terrorist walking) at this point, just like his buddy and mentor Bin-Ladan. Lest we forget they were praising the other head of al-Qaeda terrorists Bin-Ladan, similarly back when they were using him.
Fate of all thee US backed terrorists like Bin-Ladan, al-Baghdadi, al-Jolani, etc. are all the same. Al-Jolani is being used by the US regime as an asset to pillage Syrian resources while destroying the country and splitting it into multiple different separatist/terrorist controlled regions, hoping that with the destabilization of Syria the US regime can provide Israeli terrorists with some degree of protection. After his usefulness runs out, he will be eliminated like the previous ones...

[BADecker]

Another way of analyzing this situation is by looking at the desperation of the US regime itself. Otherwise under normal circumstances they would never allow their highest ranking official (ie. the president) to be seen in the same city as a globally recognized terrorist like al-Jolani let alone shake hands with him. Specially when he is a member of terrorist organization that Americans are familiar with (ie. al-Qaeda) since CIA used it to attack American people on 9/11.

That desperation is growing every day as the US government's budget deficit and the national debt grows as they also keep losing the economic war they started against China. This is why Trump is in West Asia to "earn" some money! We saw that in his meeting with the Arab dictators clearly.

Shaking hands with one of the heads of al-Qaeda is exactly out of that desperation. He basically told his proxy to hand over Syrian resources to US. What's interesting is that Syria doesn't have that much more to give and US regime has already been pillaging their gas and oil resources!! Which shows the level of that desperation...

But al-Jolani himself is a dead man walking (or rather dead terrorist walking) at this point, just like his buddy and mentor Bin-Ladan. Lest we forget they were praising the other head of al-Qaeda terrorists Bin-Ladan, similarly back when they were using him.
Fate of all thee US backed terrorists like Bin-Ladan, al-Baghdadi, al-Jolani, etc. are all the same. Al-Jolani is being used by the US regime as an asset to pillage Syrian resources while destroying the country and splitting it into multiple different separatist/terrorist controlled regions, hoping that with the destabilization of Syria the US regime can provide Israeli terrorists with some degree of protection. After his usefulness runs out, he will be eliminated like the previous ones...

Don't forget Saddam Hussein, one of the biggest US trained terrorists, and what happened to him.

[franky1]

gotta laugh at some people

when certain extremist rebel groups/tribes are wishing death to whole countries, wishing to be funded by other countries whom want to be nuclear bomb capable, wishing(but failing) to have their favoured rebel terrorist factions/tribes of extremists be recognised as a nation, and more specifically pretend to be(but fail in the words of the idiots of this forum, to be) peaceful innocent people living in harmony with others they reside with

the certain people in this forum with extremist ideologies fail to see these rebel terrorist groups they support(houthi/hamas), whom use their own people and anyone they can capture nearby as hostages for human shield reasons.. and whilst hiding under the human shields they create chaos and collateral damage for the innocents nearby and neighbouring area's, trying to play victim to their own deathly drama they started

..
yet when a guy that was not a leader of al-queda, creates his own militia(hts) and then governing structure in another arab region, even goes against the al-queda regime.. and then gets to disband rebel groups of lots of different tribal/factions of islam, leading to generate peace. they(forum idiots) want to call him the extremist radicalist terrorist


..
so in summary
one group(hts) trying to generate peace for a decade by taking over a authoritarian government, rebuilding regions with new malls, housing developments, schools VS other groups(hamas/houthis) bombing, using innocents as human shields for a decade

lets just take a minute, take a breathe, release you mind from your own ideologies..(dont press the reply button just to spout your allegiances).. just try to use the logic part of the brain. which group sound like terrorists, extremists, radicalists to you
(hamas/houthis)... or HTS

[montaga]

Trump, the failed inheritor will meet with anyone as long as money is on the table.

[mikeywith]

however point is that isreal existed before palestine

This is false. You're confusing the ancient people of Israel with the modern State of Israel, which was established in 1948. The land currently referred to as Israel and Palestine has been continuously inhabited by Semitic people -- both Jews and Arabs for millennia. But a political state called “Israel” did not exist in modern form before 1948.

If you're referring to Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews, then yes --they are Semitic, and many have ancestral roots in the region. But a significant portion of Israel's population today descends from immigrants from Europe, Russia, North Africa, and Ethiopia, many of whose ancestors never lived in the land

but seeing how muslims fought non muslims and tried to converts jews to islam is your foolish attempt at pretending 'relative harmony'..

This claim is also false. There is no historical basis for the idea that Muslims systematically forced Jews to convert. In fact, Jewish historians themselves have thoroughly debunked this narrative. You can read:

A Mediterranean Society by S.D. Goitein

Under Crescent and Cross by Mark R. Cohen

The Jews of Arab Lands by Norman Stillman

These are respected Jewish scholars—not Muslim apologists-- and they all confirm that forced conversions were almost nonexistent and never were a state policy. In fact, Jewish communities often flourished under Muslim rule, especially in contrast to the far more brutal treatment they received in medieval Christian Europe.

Muslim historians largely agree on these points, but I’ve specifically referenced Jewish sources because it would be especially ironic for you to ignore the testimony of the very people you claim were victims.

Franky, I don’t know how old you are, but it seems like most of what you “know” about the history of this region comes from memes, Reddit threads, and nationalist mythology. Once you actually start reading real history, written by serious scholars, you’ll be shocked by how much of it contradicts what you've been told.

For the record, I won't be replying to your next post unless you reference relevant historians -- I generally think it's a waste of resources to discuss points that people pull out of their arse.

[o48o]

-cut-
It becomes even funnier when you learn that US itself has a million dollar reward on al-Jolani's head!
And UN also has him in its list of international terrorists!!
The Wild West... literally.

P.S. Who was behind 9-11 terrorist attack again?

Well, this just fits his values. He also invited Taliban to white house during last term.

We are lucky that Obama killed Bin Laden, as trump would be having bromance with him too right now.

When i was kid i was reading these comics, and was weirded out how grotesque dystopia they painted for the future. And what's happening in US now is indistinguishable of any plot of Judge Dredd.

I am looking forward to the day when his acts come back to bite magas, as at some point they have realize, that they can be classified as terrorists for once wearing red cap. Because that's the future they are paving road for.

[pooya87]

Don't forget Saddam Hussein, one of the biggest US trained terrorists, and what happened to him.

The fate of all the "tools" Washington uses have always been similar: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5533930.0

But I wouldn't call Saddam a terrorist. He was a dictator and with the Ba'ath party they committed various atrocities against people in Iraq and neighboring countries. Many of such acts were committed at the behest of the US regime.

Franky, I don’t know how old you are, but it seems like most of what you “know” about the history of this region comes from memes, Reddit threads, and nationalist mythology. Once you actually start reading real history, written by serious scholars, you’ll be shocked by how much of it contradicts what you've been told.

For the record, I won't be replying to your next post unless you reference relevant historians -- I generally think it's a waste of resources to discuss points that people pull out of their arse.

I don't think Franky's problem is the sources he follows. I don't want to post a psychological profile here but he is exhibiting symptoms of a character type that I've encountered many times in IRL. These people love to disagree and create weirdest discussions with no facts whatsoever. They phytologically "get off" on watching others try so hard to prove they are wrong with facts! The topic is not important either, you can see that in his post history regarding Bitcoin and his trust rating reflecting the nonsense he has spread about Bitcoin over the years.

IRL I found that the best course of action is to agree with them! For example if they said 2+2==5 then I respond "you are correct" and watch them phytologically fall apart. They will no longer bother you again if you do this to them.

But of course on a forum that others read their nonsense (specially when it is about Bitcoin) you can't just let that stay and mislead newbies without being debunked. Debunking it with facts is exhausting as well (try proving 2+2 =/= 5) specially since they will jump to another nonsense usually irrelevant to the first nonsense (eg. go from 2+2 to earth is flat) which you will have to debunk as well.

So try to debunk briefly and quickly then move on by ignoring their future nonsense. Otherwise you will be feeding a troll and derailing any discussion you were having with others while they continue enjoying watching you exhaust yourself trying to prove every nonsense they keep throwing at you...

[franky1]

Franky, I don’t know how old you are, but it seems like most of what you “know” about the history of this region comes from memes, Reddit threads, and nationalist mythology. Once you actually start reading real history, written by serious scholars, you’ll be shocked by how much of it contradicts what you've been told.

For the record, I won't be replying to your next post unless you reference relevant historians -- I generally think it's a waste of resources to discuss points that people pull out of their arse.

I don't think Franky's problem is the sources he follows. I don't want to post a psychological profile here but he is exhibiting symptoms of a character type that I've encountered many times in IRL. These people love to disagree and create weirdest discussions with no facts whatsoever. They phytologically "get off" on watching others try so hard to prove they are wrong with facts! The topic is not important either, you can see that in his post history regarding Bitcoin and his trust rating reflecting the nonsense he has spread about Bitcoin over the years.

pooya is the one that cant back up what he says,
just look at the title of this topic. pooya cant even see that HTS is different to al-queda.. enough said

as for the trump meeting with syrians new president..
syrians now president didnt join al-queda and become its leader in early 2000's (nor ever)
he was actually radicalized by the Palestinian Second Intifada in the early 2000s
he then went and set up different factions with their own mission unrelated to the US al-queda fight (he wanted to free syria not attack US)
he was not involved with the people that caused new yorks 9-11 (al-queda was a different faction to what he was doing)
was put in prison 2006-2011 so was not leading al-queda nor a partner of bin ladden
he never lead al-queda
he actually went against al queda by distancing his faction away from al-queda
al-queda and isil called him two faced and duplicitous by not going in their direction by distancing himself from them

in other debates
pooya used a picture of a rawlbolt (wall screw) as (weirdly)some proof of some shrapnel
he used a phone screen cap of a poor quality video of a attack near a isreal airport(hit bushes near highway beside airport) to say it was a precision hit of airport
he used an example of a 'detention camp' to pretend innocent free civilians were hit and targeted in a civilian area

yet i came back with proof
i gave geo location co ordinates to show the "detention camp" was actually a hostage prison on a military base showing the base got hit and the prisoners were collateral damage because the rebels were using the prison as a hiding spot hoping to not get hit due to hostages onsite

i showed how the attack near the isreal airport was not actually on the airport but bushes nearby affecting the highway not the landing strip
i even shown him that his silly wall tile and rawlbolt screw were nothing to do with missile shrapnel or proof of anything
as for bitcoin
the only debate anyone has ever had against me where theres been any big accusation of me doing mis-information. is how from 2016+ i have been calling out segwit as being cludgy code for these reasons:
a. miscounting bytes, ignoring bytes when counting length of data
b. it while allowing 4x data doesnt equate to 4x tx count
c. it allows junk data to be added unverified

now lets just see
2025:
a. vbytes speak for themselves
b. bitcoin average tx in 2016early 2017=2000tx, lean tx capability was 4200tx.. today its not averaging 8000tx-16800tx.. but only ~3-4000tx
c. ordinals.. showed everyone that junk happens unverified on the blockchain due to the way segwit cludgy code works
pooya and his radical ideological chums try to avoid the words houthi, hamas when talking about whom is really the aggressive parties that start attacks when the general populations of nations are trying to perform ceasefires and peace agreements

they cant even muster the words abreham accords as it goes against their 'destroy america, destroy isreal' preference
..
mikeywith also suffers from this, avoids talking about the times that rebel groups/tribes cause chaos and only wants to refer to peacetimes of the greater population
totally avoiding the attacks the rebel groups themselves do

heck mickeywith cant even say HTS to show how the syrian new president for years has been going against al-queda and disbanded many rebel groups and already started rebuilding area's he gained political power over on his way to taking the presidency of syria

[mikeywith]

Honestly, I was not even trying to convince him. People like Franky are a lost cause, it's clear he has no intention of actually reading or engaging with facts. I literally provided evidence from the very people he claims to speak for, saying, "We did not suffer from the nonsense you pulled of your ass" Yet, he still tries to force his version of reality onto them.

Still, I sometimes feel compelled to correct people who clearly don’t know what they're talking about -- not for their sake, but for anyone else reading who might be genuinely curious and open to the truth. It's important that both sides of the story are visible in the same space. Imagine letting people like Franky run around spreading misinformation unchecked.

[tvbcof]

...They may be bought off, but they are not fooled.

you have absolutely everything incorrect on both sides

hamas came about from iran funding and plotting, not isreal

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6LxcFFOSdSf1

Again, this stuff is well known.

[BADecker]

~

Imagine letting people like Franky run around spreading misinformation unchecked.

The mainstream media has been doing it for decades.