I like to get married without having children.

[Kavelj22]

I don't like having children. It's easy and doesn't require much philosophizing and interpretation. For this reason, most of my relationships with women have failed to develop into a formal relationship. For me, marriage is all about finding a true life partner to share our ups and downs, and that's enough. Just as I don't like to be tied down to someone who is too attached to her family, I also don't like having children who might one day tire me out or whose rights I might have neglected. Don't call me a "pessimist," because I know circumstances change, and what's best for me today isn't guaranteed tomorrow, no matter how many guarantees there are. These are personal beliefs and preferences, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are women who share my perspective, and most, if not all, consider marriage as a means of procreation.

Are there women who share this perspective? Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh). Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

[SmartGold01]

Sorry to say about this post you made.. though I don't often post in this section but I was lucky to have your topic pop-up on the bot and I have to follow it up.

Usually, what I senses here is that you aren't ready to accept responsibility. As woman or Man, the ability for them to accept all responsibilities is to settle down by getting married. Yes, I know that not everyone that must get married but at times there are reasons why they don't get married and this could be lack of finance, accomodations and so many circumstances within a man. But for a woman, it is that easier for them to get married because most at times the Men takes up the responsibilities, while there are some home which their responsibility are being shared equally.

Procreation isn't that Major reason of getting married but at least having someone whom you could confide on, share thoughts and feelings and ideas, but guess what?
What is the benefit of getting married without procreation then who takes over you or after you when you might have joined your ancestors? We see many people adopting a child or babies due to their inability to bear children,.or let say what if your parents didn't give birth to you what could have been of your existence today?

[Kavelj22]

Procreation isn't that Major reason of getting married but at least having someone whom you could confide on, share thoughts and feelings and ideas, but guess what?
What is the benefit of getting married without procreation then who takes over you or after you when you might have joined your ancestors? We see many people adopting a child or babies due to their inability to bear children,.or let say what if your parents didn't give birth to you what could have been of your existence today?

I'm not saying that humans should stop having children or that having children is wrong. Quite the opposite. My refusal to have children is a personal preference, and I'm not saying that those who aren't like me are wrong.

Marriage may be the only socially available means of living with a partner in one home. Keep in mind that I live in an Arab country whose culture doesn't permit extramarital relationships. Therefore, marriage is a means of living with a partner without social stigma.

Furthermore, marriage is not just a means of procreation. First, procreation can occur even without marriage, and second, the concept of marriage cannot be reduced to a mere channel for reproduction and the preservation of the lineage.

There is a philosophy called "antinatalism," which has many followers who believe that humans should stop procreating because the increasing human population threatens the stability of the entire planet. I'm familiar with it, but I don't share the same view. I don't oppose the idea of ​​procreation in general, but I simply believe that planet Earth, in its current state, is uninhabitable due to the numerous crises caused by humans.

[passwordnow]

Are there women who share this perspective?

I've heard couples that are also shared the same decision of not having children. And it's a normal kind of relationship nowadays and all it takes is proper talks to your future partner.

Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh).

Start it out with your friends, friends friends and friends of your relatives. If you cannot find that through online dating then start with the approach of traditionally meeting them through common friends.

Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Yeah, both of you are still the ones to decide. Don't listen to others if they're telling you like you should have kids and it's lonely growing old without having any.

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

Then start breaking the cycle in your family through you by being vocal and sharing your decision to them. They will understand you no matter what they think of it.

[franky1]

I don't like having children. It's easy and doesn't require much philosophizing and interpretation. For this reason, most of my relationships with women have failed to develop into a formal relationship.
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 These are personal beliefs and preferences, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are women who share my perspective, and most, if not all, consider marriage as a means of procreation.

Are there women who share this perspective? Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh). Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

not sure of your age, but there is a biological lesson to be learned
if you are dating or looking for women of legal age that are in their late teens-30yr old .. they are at the start of romantic life and fertile so thinking about family and kids.

however think smart
many women 30+ are entering the phase where they are starting to become less interested in family because they have 'passed their prime' fertile age.. so find a cougar, or a woman 30-40+
the pool of women in their 30's+ are less likely to be trying to start a family(if it hadnt happened already, then less likely will happen) and so they just want the romance/companionship/loyalty side of marriage

[btc78]

Are there women who share this perspective? Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh). Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

i was quite surprised until you said you came from a conservative country in that case you might not meet your match from your own country

i was surprised because i have observed that women nowadays are more career driven and so a lot women decide to not have children of their own we know that pregnancy affects the woman the most since she’s the one who has to carry it and it’s 9 months of her life paused and many more months and years to take care of the child so it’s no longer desirable to have kids now than before especially with our economy lol

[BADecker]

Women have machinery built into them to 'make' children. She will never be happy in the long run with the idea of not having children. She can't help it. The best you can do is find a widow who has adult children already, and then simply put up with them when they visit. Otherwise, forget the marriage thing.

[Zanab247]

I like your reason op, but assume your father or mother have this kind of reasons not to give birth to child or children, I don't think you would have be here today, because they know the important of having children to a woman you loved with your whole heart. If your parent trained you well to become a good child in the society, you will surely know how to associate with good people that will make you to end up in marrying a good girl that will give birth to good children that will not trouble you for the rest of your life.

There are still good ladies out there, but if you are not good, it will be hard for you to find the good ladies than to continue meeting the bad ones that will be breaking your heart, and that is the plain truth man.

[Kelward]

Your desire to get married and not have any kids might be considered a taboo in the olden days, they might think that you are somehow not normal to make such a decision. Just like in the past nobody can come out to say that they were gay, it was a taboo, it still is in some cultures. But in this age people are more open about their desires and I've heard people like you who don't wants to have kids and we have to respect everybody's decisions. As a man you have to find a woman that wants the same thing but I don't think that it'll be easy to find because most women will like to have one or more children at some point in their lives. I wish you luck in your search for your perfect match, I want to believe that a woman is somewhere also looking for a man like you.

[Pi$$]

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

Deciding to get married is a personal decision and no one should compel you to do so against your wish, however, there's what the society sees to be the norm that when you go contrary to it makes you look like someone that's strange and somehow, in the latter part of your life, you might face the repalcursion there off.

Having children goes beyond being a father, it's the only process through which our continuous existence on the earth is guaranteed. Imagine that your parents made same decision of not having children and every other person makes same decision? What becomes of humanity? For several obvious reasons, even if not getting married might make it look  like the best decision, in the long run, it might not always end too well.

[o48o]

I don't like having children. It's easy and doesn't require much philosophizing and interpretation. For this reason, most of my relationships with women have failed to develop into a formal relationship. For me, marriage is all about finding a true life partner to share our ups and downs, and that's enough. Just as I don't like to be tied down to someone who is too attached to her family, I also don't like having children who might one day tire me out or whose rights I might have neglected. Don't call me a "pessimist," because I know circumstances change, and what's best for me today isn't guaranteed tomorrow, no matter how many guarantees there are. These are personal beliefs and preferences, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are women who share my perspective, and most, if not all, consider marriage as a means of procreation.

Are there women who share this perspective? Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh). Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

Maybe put that on your dating profile (if you have one). In that way you filter anyone who prefers having kids. You might get less matches, or even more matches that are immediately more suitable. Just skip the part where you say that there are no women who share your perspective, because that's just talking down.

Just be honest about your values and needs. In that way you skip so many unwanted matches. But honestly, take this with grain of salt as any advice from here, as i think this is probably worst place to get dating advices.

[Floxynice]

The sole aim of marriage is for companionship and not for having children. Anyone who loves children can decide to have children whether married or not. I do not see the reason why people make having children the sole purpose of marriage. What will happen to the marriage if the couple begins to struggle to have kids and those children they so wish to have aren't forthcoming? Will they dissolve the marriage or resort to cheating? The marriage should continue with or without children.

It is better to admit how you feel about having children than to bring children into the world and neglect them. But before a decision like this is taken, both partners must agree to it. It is wrong to impose your desires on someone who feels something totally different.

[xvacator]

That is your right to say you don't want to have children for so many reasons. We can not say you are wrong because you have your own thoughts which we don't know. You should search for a woman who doesn't want to have children and explain why you don't want to have children. Maybe most women can not accept but I believe some women can accept your reason so although that is difficult, you can search for the right woman.

We don't know where you can start to find that but you should search by yourself and follow your path. Someday you will found the right person who want to live and married with you and accept your reason.

[DeathAngel]

It’s your life & you can make your own choices. Unfortunately for you though you can’t make choices for other people so it might be hard to find a woman who is dead set against having children. Most women have a natural maternal longing to have kids. It’s probably even harder in an Arabic country as depending where you are, that’s what a woman’s job is. If you were in a Western country there are lots of career driven women who don’t want children. It’s possible to find what you want but won’t be easy.

[Helena Yu]

many women 30+ are entering the phase where they are starting to become less interested in family because they have 'passed their prime' fertile age.. so find a cougar, or a woman 30-40+

I agree, age matters.

I would say at least 40 years old, I see many women in their late 30s are willing to downgrade their standard, they do this in order to get married as soon as possible because they want to have baby.

18-25 years old women criteria: must be 6 feet, handsome, six pack, six digits income, have a business, have a house, have a car, etc.
26-30 years old women criteria: must be 6 feet, six digits income, have a business, have a house, have a car etc.
31-35 years old women criteria: six digits income, have a house, have a car.
36-40 years old women criteria: have provider mindset and don't cheat.

But the thing is, women are mostly want to get married if the men have higher salary than them even they're 40-60 years old. So, even these women are ugly, they still demand something instead of working together as a partner.

[BADecker]

The problem with making your choice against children is, it is based on simple thinking, and on rebellion against nature.

Natural subconscious is built to have and raise children. Companionship ideals are for children companionship as well as husband or wife companionship. Setting yourself up so that you do not have children, will result in your physical system discouragement in later life. It will drag you to an unhappy later life, and maybe an earlier death.

This is especially true for a woman because she has machinery throughout herself to make children within herself. Any man who stops his woman from having children is doing her a big disfavor.

[Muba20]

The whole matter will depend on the thinking of a person. Marriage is not only for giving birth to children. A man usually gets married and his wife will help him in various things on his long journey. And giving birth to children is not a matter of compulsion. But there are definitely some logical reasons why people give birth. The main reason for giving birth to children is the certainty of the matter. If you do not give birth to children, then the attitude that works in you at the moment will not be there when you grow up. You may feel alone at some point. The number of people around you will decrease. And if you had children, you could depend on them. People do not live forever. It may also be that a person may lose his wife in old age, then he may become even more lonely. If he has an inheritance, then they will definitely try to give him some time. In developed countries, children are not seen to take care of their parents as much as they do.

There are some countries where the population is small and the average life expectancy is high, so a person lives for a long time. There they do all the work for their own survival. Especially in Japan, there are some people who die at home when they get old but no one around them knows. Their children are not very responsible towards their parents. There seems to be no benefit in having such children. Above all, I want to say that if you are the owner of a lot of wealth, you will have to leave this world one day, throwing everything away. Then some other person will enjoy these assets. If you get married and have children, then they will enjoy those assets at some point. If you have no interest in living after marriage, then don't take them. After a generation or two, you will change a lot in terms of psychology.

[Kavelj22]

For those who find my argument strange, I do not invite people to adopt my ideas, and it is not my role to present my beliefs as truths for others to follow. I am also not responsible for the continuation or extinction of the human race. All I do is embrace the anti-natalist philosophy and see no need to bring more suffering people onto Earth. You can consider this a personal preference so that it does not conflict with your choice to have children.

There are people who have done nothing but give birth and consider it a great achievement. They are the first to object to such views because such projects would expose their falsehood. In addition to this the people who exploit procreation to achieve their own hypocrite goals. This group is mostly women who refuse to work and produce (a dependent mentality), so they defend childbearing because it is a means of blackmail men to pay for their needs under the umbrella of taking care of his children. And let's not forget those who have children as part of a retirement plan, on the basis that when they grow up, they will find an obedient servant who will endure their disgust.

Does anyone among you see any connection between these reasons and human nature and the continuity of the human race? I live in a very conservative society, and procreation is a sacred matter that is not even allowed to be discussed. Therefore, anti-natalist people like me do not appear in public and do not discuss their thoughts freely for fear of social stigma or the impact on my reputation and the reputation of my family, as I would be considered either insane or an atheist, which are all considered moral issues, not personal convictions or preferences.

[Salahmu]

That's a self decision, if somebody has a reason why they don't like to have a children is also best known to them but however is funny to see how individual lives of desires is because alot of people can even do anything to have children in their home but some are even wishing and praying not to have them, but it will be difficult to find a woman very compatible to agree with the desire of not having a children and sometimes even if they agree it might still change their mind in the future because as they said change is the only constant thing in live and definitely there might be change that could affect the agreement.

[robelneo]

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

I don't see any issue with your beliefs. In fact, many couples in various countries have chosen not to have children, and they have their reasons. One main reason is the financial capability of both partners, due to the high cost of living, and another reason is that they enjoy their freedom and don't want to be tied down to children.

There are also women who share this belief, so there's no reason to be afraid of having these preferences. I'm sure you will find one in your country, you have to be open about what you believe