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February 02, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
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Slow blocks generation is a problem.

Please enlighten us with your explanation why this is.
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February 02, 2015, 03:30:13 PM
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February 02, 2015, 05:19:01 PM
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There's a lot of discussion regarding DIGI.  I just want to make some observations/statements:

DIGI is working.  If gazo is a profitability script based MP, and they are pulling less than 10% of the blocks(8.76% currently), than it could be argued that CM would be in the same boat.  And it could further be argued that gazo and CM would be fighting for that 8.76%.  We wanted a response to MPs, and we have it.

Profit for dedicated miners is up.  There is no arguing that.  When 40% of the blocks are going back to the miners, and not CM's wallet, that's a win in my book.

Block times are off, that is true.  When I woke up this morning we were at a 00:03:44 block time for 24 hours, which was a true 24 hours since the change.  There have been some longer blocks, but mostly because we've hit some pretty high difficulties.  The difficulty isn't overreacting, it's reacting.  When blocks are found in less than 30 seconds from difficulty 1000 up to 2000, it's going to go up.  The good thing is that it drops back down like it's supposed to though.  We come back to a more reasonable follow-up block, rather than dropping too low.  Now, if that block isn't solved in time, you're going to go lower.  It's just the nature of a single block retarget.

A second point on time is that DIGI is best suited for block times closer to, but not less than, 1 minute.  I'm not saying that we're running a broken version of DIGI, but rather I think that Kilo's original suggestion of halving the block time is something worth looking at in the future.  Note... not the immediate future, but at some point down the long road ahead.

I just want to know if people are happy with the change, or if we're experiencing buyer's remorse.  I'd love to hear an official response from the devs as well.

-Fuse

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February 02, 2015, 05:23:17 PM
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I'm still very happy with DIGI. Current situation is better than the past few months.
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February 02, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
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Considering how many projects have crashed and burned after such a migration, and looking at some charts, I don't recognize any immediate need for concern. Monitor and continue to make fine-tuned incremental adjustments as the life of the project evolves.

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February 02, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
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I'm still very happy with DIGI. Current situation is better than the past few months.

Good to hear.  Hopefully it puts a lot less pressure on your wallet, mate.  Lord knows you've been buying a ton of support for the chain for a long time now.

I'm just really happy that pools that haven't seen 1% of the blocks in the last 5 months are now seeing almost 10%.  That's a good feeling for me, even as the biggest pool now.

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February 02, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
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I'm just really happy that pools that haven't seen 1% of the blocks in the last 5 months are now seeing almost 10%.  That's a good feeling for me, even as the biggest pool now.

-Fuse

Matter of time for price to go up, I think. Almost no autoselling anymore  Smiley
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February 02, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
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I'm still very happy with DIGI. Current situation is better than the past few months.

Good to hear.  Hopefully it puts a lot less pressure on your wallet, mate.  Lord knows you've been buying a ton of support for the chain for a long time now.

I'm just really happy that pools that haven't seen 1% of the blocks in the last 5 months are now seeing almost 10%.  That's a good feeling for me, even as the biggest pool now.

-Fuse

I'm really happy! We knew DIGI wasn't the perfect solution but it does what is needed kicking multipools from the chain and giving it back to the dedicated miners.
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February 02, 2015, 06:15:00 PM
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February 02, 2015, 06:44:34 PM
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I'm still very happy with DIGI. Current situation is better than the past few months.

Good to hear.  Hopefully it puts a lot less pressure on your wallet, mate.  Lord knows you've been buying a ton of support for the chain for a long time now.

I'm just really happy that pools that haven't seen 1% of the blocks in the last 5 months are now seeing almost 10%.  That's a good feeling for me, even as the biggest pool now.

-Fuse

I'm really happy! We knew DIGI wasn't the perfect solution but it does what is needed kicking multipools from the chain and giving it back to the dedicated miners.

Clevermining have kicked themselves off the chain. The real Digi test will be when they step in again.
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February 02, 2015, 06:54:45 PM
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There's a lot of discussion regarding DIGI.  I just want to make some observations/statements:

DIGI is working.  If gazo is a profitability script based MP, and they are pulling less than 10% of the blocks(8.76% currently), than it could be argued that CM would be in the same boat.  And it could further be argued that gazo and CM would be fighting for that 8.76%.  We wanted a response to MPs, and we have it.
It seems like that for sure! Although I'm really curious what happens when CM joins again.

Profit for dedicated miners is up.  There is no arguing that.  When 40% of the blocks are going back to the miners, and not CM's wallet, that's a win in my book.
Very happy to read this! Grin

Block times are off, that is true.  When I woke up this morning we were at a 00:03:44 block time for 24 hours, which was a true 24 hours since the change.  There have been some longer blocks, but mostly because we've hit some pretty high difficulties.  The difficulty isn't overreacting, it's reacting.  When blocks are found in less than 30 seconds from difficulty 1000 up to 2000, it's going to go up.  The good thing is that it drops back down like it's supposed to though.  We come back to a more reasonable follow-up block, rather than dropping too low.  Now, if that block isn't solved in time, you're going to go lower.  It's just the nature of a single block retarget.
We had some lucky blocks and miners joining the 1.3.1 network after they found CM had left. I think these large hashrate joins caused some diff spikes, but can't be sure.


A second point on time is that DIGI is best suited for block times closer to, but not less than, 1 minute.  I'm not saying that we're running a broken version of DIGI, but rather I think that Kilo's original suggestion of halving the block time is something worth looking at in the future.  Note... not the immediate future, but at some point down the long road ahead.
Totally agree here. We should only do this if somehow the slower blockrate becomes a real problem. (too many transactions or confirm times, etc.)
Until then, let's wait and see how a higher hashrate will stabilize the blockrate back to 1 per 2.5 minutes.

I just want to know if people are happy with the change, or if we're experiencing buyer's remorse.  I'd love to hear an official response from the devs as well.

-Fuse
GJ is still observing Fuse, but from my non-dev perspective it looks good. I think GJ will give it a few days before making a statement.

It will take more time to get to a good conclusion, but I already did some quick analysis.

I have a "time series database" connected to the Guldencoin Explorer backend and I'm gathering block time and count metrics with it.
The graphs I rendered let us see some interesting stuff, I made a screenshot and edited it with comments and marks.

Full resolution: https://i.imgur.com/zBkFefi.png


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February 02, 2015, 07:14:29 PM
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/GJ, It's good to see the change through your data analysis.  I was wondering what that graph you posted in IRC was, but I figured I'd wait for you to post the data behind it.  I'm glad you did.

Overall, your analysis shows some very positive results.  Yes, we are in a longer block time now, but I agree with you that we will probably see this even out a bit with more consistent miners/hashrate.

I also agree that we may need a little more time to get more info, but for now, I'm happy that the team is positive about the change.

Cheers!

-Fuse

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February 02, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
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thanks for the chart, GJ. Real easy to dissect, from which I can say that I also agree once again: NLG with DIGI is looking good!

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February 02, 2015, 07:58:40 PM
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Wow, after seeing that graphs I am very happy with this change so far! Let's wait and see what the hell Terk is going to do.

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February 02, 2015, 08:41:13 PM
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It's looking so much better! Well done on hijacking the blockchain back from the MPs.

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February 02, 2015, 09:23:45 PM
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4 new online stores for Guldencoin  Cool (click on images to see)







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February 02, 2015, 09:30:22 PM
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3 new online stores for Guldencoin  Cool (click on images to see)






These stores are great!!   Grin
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February 02, 2015, 09:57:05 PM
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Great stores!

This one my kids (and me) like too much! http://www.bestuurbaarspeelgoed.nl/


https://www.guldenweb.com - Het laatste nieuws over Gulden
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February 02, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
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What a day! First 24 hour of Digishield, a new exchange (Comkort) and 4 webshops accepting Guldencoin.

I love Guldencoin!!!

https://www.guldenweb.com - Het laatste nieuws over Gulden
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February 02, 2015, 10:36:35 PM
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nice webshops!
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