Iran - Israel War

[Juse14]

It seems to me, and many are saying, that if the Iran-Israel War continues, a third world war could break out very soon. Many are making all sorts of assumptions, but the reality is that Israel attacked first and Iran has suffered the most damage so far.

No country in the world has yet taken steps to resolve this conflict. This may be due to international politics and the dominance of the Middle East. We may have to wait a few more days to understand the full situation.

If this war continues, the conflict will spread to other regions and could even trigger World War III. The war between Iran and Israel has entered its fourth day, but instead of subsiding, the conflict continues to heat up and may reach its peak which will claim more victims.

And surprising news came from Israel where Benjamin Netanyahu, who is the Prime Minister of Israel, reportedly went to Greece on the pretext of a working visit. an excuse that is not quite reasonable considering that his country is currently in a critical condition. And now quite a lot of Israelis are demanding that Netanyahu return to Israel immediately. The question is whether he really did a working visit or actually fled from the ongoing war.?

[franky1]

And surprising news came from Israel where Benjamin Netanyahu, who is the Prime Minister of Israel, reportedly went to Greece on the pretext of a working visit. an excuse that is not quite reasonable considering that his country is currently in a critical condition. And now quite a lot of Israelis are demanding that Netanyahu return to Israel immediately. The question is whether he really did a working visit or actually fled from the ongoing war.?

lets play devils advocate
lets imaging for a minute that iran is not interested in randomly striking anything in tel-aviv but only wanted to strike the locations where the leadership is..
whereby where ever the leadership is, there is a risk of collateral damage of innocent people next door or nearby..

so by moving out of the area, iran shouldnt have any targets to hit (if their only targets were leadership). so if iran are then still striking the area, then they are no longer targeting leadership of isreal and just randomly hitting innocent people for no reason

by anyone asking leadership to come hide amongst the innocent people is a foolish demand as it causes more risk of collateral damage..
.. what iran should realise is they are not going to hit isreals leader and instead do one of two things:
1. target other things of importance, such as military bases, parliamentary buildings, courts, and such
2. stop firing and save the munitions until leadership return and the area

[tvbcof]

Interestingly, Iranians are on the whole quite a bit more intelligent than Israelis, not to mention a lot more mentally tough.

  https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

This helps explain why Iran chose a much smarter strategy of creating and building in volume weapons which do not require high degrees of technical support on an ongoing basis as do aircraft, and instead developed missiles which outclassed the enemies' defensive systems and safely (and cheaply) stockpiled them.

[franky1]

Interestingly, Iranians are on the whole quite a bit more intelligent than Israelis, not to mention a lot more mentally tough.

  https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

This helps explain why Iran chose a much smarter strategy of creating and building in volume weapons which do not require high degrees of technical support on an ongoing basis as do aircraft, and instead developed missiles which outclassed the enemies' defensive systems and safely (and cheaply) stockpiled them.

so you think that it makes iran smart to use non-precise weapons, but with bigger blast power.. over isreals precision missiles that aim for intended target and limit collateral damage

analogy
well if you have modern man with a modern gun that shoots someone in the leg to stop them from progressing.. but it cost $500
vs
a cave man that picks up a few rocks and throws them at someone, where some hit kevlar vest and bounce off, no harm. and some hit the skull killing them.. and its free

does not mean the cave man is more intelligent because he stockpiles rocks

[BADecker]

Interestingly, Iranians are on the whole quite a bit more intelligent than Israelis, not to mention a lot more mentally tough.

  https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

This helps explain why Iran chose a much smarter strategy of creating and building in volume weapons which do not require high degrees of technical support on an ongoing basis as do aircraft, and instead developed missiles which outclassed the enemies' defensive systems and safely (and cheaply) stockpiled them.

so you think that it makes iran smart to use non-precise weapons, but with bigger blast power.. over isreals precision missiles that aim for intended target and limit collateral damage

analogy
well if you have modern man with a modern gun that shoots someone in the leg to stop them from progressing.. but it cost $500
vs
a cave man that picks up a few rocks and throws them at someone, where some hit kevlar vest and bounce off, no harm. and some hit the skull killing them.. and its free

does not mean the cave man is more intelligent because he stockpiles rocks

Thanks, franky1. The thing is that Iran hasn't really begun to fight. The US has moved its ships out of the Persian Gulf to protect them from Iran. Iran has loads of places deep underground where they have military armament that can't be reached by anyone other than some of the US missile bombardments. In addition, Israel is so small that Iranian 'stone-throwing' is going to hit something over there, because their stone-throwing isn't completely without aim.

If you really want to direct somebody into the way you think, you'll have to do a much better job.

The US isn't ready for a war. There is too much resistance from the American people. Once Iran realizes this, they (and their partners) just might start attacking America with military stuff. This would be stupid, but they have a lot of help in the NO KINGS movement, already.

[DaRude]

Interestingly, Iranians are on the whole quite a bit more intelligent than Israelis, not to mention a lot more mentally tough.

  https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

This helps explain why Iran chose a much smarter strategy of creating and building in volume weapons which do not require high degrees of technical support on an ongoing basis as do aircraft, and instead developed missiles which outclassed the enemies' defensive systems and safely (and cheaply) stockpiled them.

so you think that it makes iran smart to use non-precise weapons, but with bigger blast power.. over isreals precision missiles that aim for intended target and limit collateral damage

analogy
well if you have modern man with a modern gun that shoots someone in the leg to stop them from progressing.. but it cost $500
vs
a cave man that picks up a few rocks and throws them at someone, where some hit kevlar vest and bounce off, no harm. and some hit the skull killing them.. and its free

does not mean the cave man is more intelligent because he stockpiles rocks

As of 22 March 2025, 15.613 children, 8.304 women and 3.839 elderly Palestinians were killed

so you're saying that these were actually intended targets of Israel's precision missiles?   or is this what's considered "limited" collateral damage with precision missiles now? What's the ratio of Israel's precision weapons fired to collateral damage of just women, children and elderly (not even counting 22.265 of innocent men)? And how does it compare to other conflicts. Hint: don't look up answers to scary questions if you don't want to loose faith in humanity.

[khiholangkang]

Nowadays people are more afraid of running out of bullets than running out of food. Wars are happening everywhere while hunger is rampant.

Whether Israel started the war under the pretext of anticipation or Iran counterattacked in an effort to defend the country's sovereignty, both are wrong because they have caused many people to suffer. Both are not right, because in war, the winner becomes charcoal and the loser becomes dust, no one benefits, all there is is suffering.

I just hope the conflict ends soon, because if it reaches its peak and drags more countries to join the conflict, then this is the beginning of the destruction of the world and the gates of hell will open soon.

[franky1]

As of 22 March 2025, 15.613 children, 8.304 women and 3.839 elderly Palestinians were killed

so you're saying that these were actually intended targets of Israel's precision missiles?   or is this what's considered "limited" collateral damage with precision missiles now? What's the ratio of Israel's precision weapons fired to collateral damage of just women, children and elderly (not even counting 22.265 of innocent men)? And how does it compare to other conflicts. Hint: don't look up answers to scary questions if you don't want to loose faith in humanity.

seems you admit to only seeking picky answers that dont offend your opinions, rather than seeking the crucial details which may sway your views

so atleast realise that isreal used its expensive technologically advanced weapons on key targets in iran because those targets are worth the price to strike. EG taking out the nuclear regime is a price worth paying multiple millions for

however the hamas crap happening in gaza(philistine(palestine)) is where isreal take cheap shots at hamas, but more collateral damage risk is implied
isreal actually do send warnings prior to strikes on hamas. warning residents to evacuate the area designated as a target site of hamas occupation..
hamas are the ones that threaten residents not to leave. hamas want human shields in an attempt to hope isreal wont strike hamas. hamas want collateral damage so they can propagandise that isreal are intentionally striking innocents

its hamas that are the targets and isreal send warnings before the attack.
hamas claim that evacuating is a form of genocide.. when obviously evacuating is a form of seeking safety

isreal have offered peace deals, hamas decline.
isreal have sent supplies to last palestinians until atleast october.. hama stole and hoard it
isreal have sent more supplies and defending the supplies. when thousands of people come running up(deservedly so as they are hungry and fear waiting in line will result in not everyone being fed) the defense teams of the isreal supplies first give warnings ot approach peacefully, but then when people do continue running in their thousands. warning shots are then fired infront of the oncoming crowds. and then when that didnt work yes some were shot

my personal view of those innocents fired upon in recent aid distribution centres is that the supplies should just be dropped off and spread out as heaps of supplies on the ground and defense teams just step back and lets the crowds self govern taking what they can carry,

however because that has been tried and it ended up that some of the people in the crowds were hamas that wanted to kill the aid workers and defense teams
(much like peaceful protests in america end up having a few radical anarchists that just want to throw bricks and molotov cocktails at us authorities)
and where hamas then steal the food to hoard(but not for palestinians) the new response to crowds running at aid suppliers is to warn oncoming growds to act peacefully but be determined to warn that any escalation would be treated as a threat to the aid/defense teams.

if hamas were not cowards, hiding amongst residents and instead sending all hamas troops to some empty area battlefield like real soldiers. the collateral damage would be minimised

[tvbcof]

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so you think that it makes iran smart to use non-precise weapons, but with bigger blast power.. over isreals precision missiles that aim for intended target and limit collateral damage
...

Israel is reporting, going into the 7th night, that 24 citizens have been killed.  Seems like Iran is really treating the Israeli civilians with kid gloves, kind and merciful people that they are.  Pinpoint accuracy is 40+ year old tech at this point.  You think that someone can build a missile that does mach-11 and cannot achieve accuracy?  Doesn't stand to reason since accuracy enhances military effectiveness by a very large factor.

You do believe the Israeli's 24 dead number, right?  I mean it's not like they would lie about anything.

Looks like the East European block-on-forehead leather-arm-strapers are leveraging their human/organ trafficking networks and chabad houses to get the hell out of Dodge while the (disappointingly few) half-way decent Israelians are being left behind as burnt offerings.  I mean, who could have seen that coming...other than those of us who researched why the call it the 'Babylonian' talmud, kabbalah, protocols of the learned elders of zion, general history, etc.

[BADecker]

I have posted this video link before. The thing I neglected to mention in the past is that the video shows genetic and linguistic tracking of the people who are making trouble in the world.

These people are the descendants of the Amalekites who attacked Israel following the Exodus out of Egypt about 3,500 years ago. God ordered their destruction because of how they were raising their families... to be totally corrupt. Their corruption is seen today... lie, cheat and steal as much as you can get away with. The only rule is to not get caught.

This is what is ruling Ukraine, and has sneaked into Israel over the years. Many other nations have much more honest truthful people.

DR Lee Merritt and Dr Bryan Ardis - https://www.bitchute.com/video/KDeYswPUyRVc

What's worse is that they are behind the Western banking systems, and all the wars the banking systems produce. That's why Trump is having trouble making peace.

[DaRude]

As of 22 March 2025, 15.613 children, 8.304 women and 3.839 elderly Palestinians were killed

so you're saying that these were actually intended targets of Israel's precision missiles?   or is this what's considered "limited" collateral damage with precision missiles now? What's the ratio of Israel's precision weapons fired to collateral damage of just women, children and elderly (not even counting 22.265 of innocent men)? And how does it compare to other conflicts. Hint: don't look up answers to scary questions if you don't want to loose faith in humanity.

seems you admit to only seeking picky answers that dont offend your opinions, rather than seeking the crucial details which may sway your views

so atleast realise that isreal used its expensive technologically advanced weapons on key targets in iran because those targets are worth the price to strike. EG taking out the nuclear regime is a price worth paying multiple millions for

however the hamas crap happening in gaza(philistine(palestine)) is where isreal take cheap shots at hamas, but more collateral damage risk is implied
isreal actually do send warnings prior to strikes on hamas. warning residents to evacuate the area designated as a target site of hamas occupation..
hamas are the ones that threaten residents not to leave. hamas want human shields in an attempt to hope isreal wont strike hamas. hamas want collateral damage so they can propagandise that isreal are intentionally striking innocents

its hamas that are the targets and isreal send warnings before the attack.
hamas claim that evacuating is a form of genocide.. when obviously evacuating is a form of seeking safety

isreal have offered peace deals, hamas decline.
isreal have sent supplies to last palestinians until atleast october.. hama stole and hoard it
isreal have sent more supplies and defending the supplies. when thousands of people come running up(deservedly so as they are hungry and fear waiting in line will result in not everyone being fed) the defense teams of the isreal supplies first give warnings ot approach peacefully, but then when people do continue running in their thousands. warning shots are then fired infront of the oncoming crowds. and then when that didnt work yes some were shot

my personal view of those innocents fired upon in recent aid distribution centres is that the supplies should just be dropped off and spread out as heaps of supplies on the ground and defense teams just step back and lets the crowds self govern taking what they can carry,

however because that has been tried and it ended up that some of the people in the crowds were hamas that wanted to kill the aid workers and defense teams
(much like peaceful protests in america end up having a few radical anarchists that just want to throw bricks and molotov cocktails at us authorities)
and where hamas then steal the food to hoard(but not for palestinians) the new response to crowds running at aid suppliers is to warn oncoming growds to act peacefully but be determined to warn that any escalation would be treated as a threat to the aid/defense teams.

if hamas were not cowards, hiding amongst residents and instead sending all hamas troops to some empty area battlefield like real soldiers. the collateral damage would be minimised

I'm giving you a benefit of a doubt that you're not just pushing propaganda. Let me explain why everything that you said doesn't really matter and is just an attempt at rationalizing Israel's actions. It's a silly attempt at a "no loose" argument, giving Israel a carte blanche justification to massacre as many innocent people as they wish. Surely you'll see how that is not acceptable in a civilized world.

I found a good way to test is to see if someone could make the same argument trying to justify Israel killing obnoxious amount of civilians, lets say a million innocent lives in a hypothetical.

Would it matter if Israel used expensive technologically if the end result is one million collateral damage?
Would it matter if Israel sent warnings prior to attacks leading to a million civilian deaths?
Would it matter what Hamas does if it's Israel actions that lead to a million innocent deaths?
Would it matter if Israel offered peace deals before it caused million deaths?
Would it matter if Israel fed everyone single one of them, bought them TVs, gave them massages etc etc etc before killing a million non combatants?

One must see how non of these would be considered viable justifications, and sponsoring those actions would make one complicit. Bottom line is collective punishment is illegal under international humanitarian law, any serious argument must not only reason why Israel actions are valid but also provide a threshold at what point Israel action would cross a line and should be considered collective punishment? Saying Israel can cause any amount of innocent deaths as long as Israel does something before that, is simply not acceptable.

[Fiatless]

@franky1, you know that there were better ways to distribute aid in Gaza with fewer casualties. Creating more distribution centres will depopulate these areas and make the distribution easier.  It would also help the Israeli military to protect itself against attack since it can have a clearer view in monitoring the areas. 

But because the IDF and its local armed militia want to kill innocent people, they centralized the aid distribution. Their intention is to increase the chances of chaos and anarchy so that they will use the opportunity to kill innocent people. Several neutral NGOs are willing to join this aid coordination and distribution, but Israel stopped them from working because it wants to spill more innocent blood.

[franky1]

@franky1, you know that there were better ways to distribute aid in Gaza with fewer casualties. Creating more distribution centres will depopulate these areas and make the distribution easier.  It would also help the Israeli military to protect itself against attack since it can have a clearer view in monitoring the areas.  

you are partially right there are many other methods of distribution.. but this is hindered by the hamas crap

But because the IDF and its local armed militia want to kill innocent people, they centralized the aid distribution. Their intention is to increase the chances of chaos and anarchy so that they will use the opportunity to kill innocent people. Several neutral NGOs are willing to join this aid coordination and distribution, but Israel stopped them from working because it wants to spill more innocent blood.

wow you really are sniffing the iran funded propaganda leaflet glue.. have you ever dug deeper for the context and details of each incident involving the distribution sites of food/aid

the intention is not to kill innocent people unprovoked.. the intention is that because isreali defense get attacked by hamas the deeper into gaza(philistinia(palestine)) they go, they instead are forced to set up aid distributions closer to the border entry.

isreal send in more then enough food, currently the amount they sent in during spring was enough to cover 10 months if fairly distributed.

but because hamas keep trying to take multiple months of supplies in a one day attack, limits what isreal can do long term, safely. especially in regards to allowing civilian aid workers(UN volunteers) in the area. yep hamas kill aid workers so allowing civilian aid workers(UN) has been declined/withdrawn until the hamas threat is neutralised

and before you sniff the propaganda glue any more..
the propaganda is probably telling you that isreali's are the ones looting the food. reality is hamas are the looters and hoarders and aid worker killers
if isreal were to want to starve the civilians, they simply would just not turn up. not bother entering the area.
the isrealis are the aid suppliers so no need to loot their own stock.
if isreal wanted to kill aid workers they could just do that outside the border

isreal send in enough supplies for months and hope for peaceful queues of daily/weekly rations distribution. not 'rushes' of crowds, nor hamas trying to take multiple months of supplies in one day
hamas's aims are to steal months of supplies, give the good stuff to troops as payment for loyalty and sell the remaining leftovers at 3-15x market rate, for profit

hamas cause panic. they tell civilians to rush the distribution sites by telling civilians there is not enough food, to get people to panic and rush the sites and grab what they can. this is called cannon fodder. hamas using and abusing the civilians as human shields, by creating chaos to cause isreali defense to push back, do warning shots and then escalate to injury and death when the civilians get goaded into pushing forward by hamas hiding amungst the civilians, where the civilians dont listen to the isreali warnings and dont calm down and back off

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.

[DaRude]

@franky1, you know that there were better ways to distribute aid in Gaza with fewer casualties. Creating more distribution centres will depopulate these areas and make the distribution easier.  It would also help the Israeli military to protect itself against attack since it can have a clearer view in monitoring the areas.  

you are partially right there are many other methods of distribution.. but this is hindered by the hamas crap

But because the IDF and its local armed militia want to kill innocent people, they centralized the aid distribution. Their intention is to increase the chances of chaos and anarchy so that they will use the opportunity to kill innocent people. Several neutral NGOs are willing to join this aid coordination and distribution, but Israel stopped them from working because it wants to spill more innocent blood.

wow you really are sniffing the iran funded propaganda leaflet glue.. have you ever dug deeper for the context and details of each incident involving the distribution sites of food/aid

the intention is not to kill innocent people unprovoked.. the intention is that because isreali defense get attacked by hamas the deeper into gaza(philistinia(palestine)) they go, they instead are forced to set up aid distributions closer to the border entry.

isreal send in more then enough food, currently the amount they sent in during spring was enough to cover 10 months if fairly distributed.

but because hamas keep trying to take multiple months of supplies in a one day attack, limits what isreal can do long term, safely. especially in regards to allowing civilian aid workers(UN volunteers) in the area. yep hamas kill aid workers so allowing civilian aid workers(UN) has been declined/withdrawn until the hamas threat is neutralised

and before you sniff the propaganda glue any more..
the propaganda is probably telling you that isreali's are the ones looting the food. reality is hamas are the looters and hoarders and aid worker killers
if isreal were to want to starve the civilians, they simply would just not turn up. not bother entering the area.
the isrealis are the aid suppliers so no need to loot their own stock.
if isreal wanted to kill aid workers they could just do that outside the border

isreal send in enough supplies for months and hope for peaceful queues of daily/weekly rations distribution. not 'rushes' of crowds, nor hamas trying to take multiple months of supplies in one day
hamas's aims are to steal months of supplies, give the good stuff to troops as payment for loyalty and sell the remaining leftovers at 3-15x market rate, for profit

hamas cause panic. they tell civilians to rush the distribution sites by telling civilians there is not enough food, to get people to panic and rush the sites and grab what they can. this is called cannon fodder. hamas using and abusing the civilians as human shields, by creating chaos to cause isreali defense to push back, do warning shots and then escalate to injury and death when the civilians get goaded into pushing forward by hamas hiding amungst the civilians, where the civilians dont listen to the isreali warnings and dont calm down and back off

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.

Over 50.000 civilians killed, Hamas bears responsibility
All Gaza hospitals bombed by Israel, Hamas's fault
Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas
UNICEF also reported a 50% increase in children aged six months to 5 years admitted for treatment of malnutrition from April to May in Gaza, and half a million people going hungry., Hamas eats food
"Children will begin to die of thirst ... Just 40% of drinking water production facilities remain functional," UNICEF spokesperson James Elder told reporters in Geneva., Hamas drinks water
"It is unacceptable that humanitarian aid is not allowed into the Gaza Strip," Pierre Krahenbuhl, director general of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), told reporters in Geneva. "That's just fundamentally against anything that international humanitarian law provides."..."Frankly, if this is the future of warfare, we should all be terrified, and we should all be aware that this questions the very foundations of our humanity.", Hamas infiltrated Red Cross?
There is an arrest warrant for Netanyahu by the International Criminal Court for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity related to the conflict in Gaza, but I'm sure Hamas is somehow responsible for this too?

I wonder at what point these excuses become laughable, and if anyone still believes that Israel should not be held accountable for any of these actions? It's like saying until Hamas gather in one isolated spot to be destroyed Israel has some right to wipe out all of Gaza, because you know Hamas will be hiding among the population.

[Fiatless]

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.

Franky, I have so much respect for you. But you are trying to defend evil, which is clear to all. These killings in aid distribution centres have been going on for weeks. If Israel were sincere, it would have devised and implemented other means to distribute these palliatives. Their refusal to change the pattern has continuously resulted in these deaths and injuries. If a strategy is not working why can't you change it? It is clear that they just want to kill innocent people.

[franky1]

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.

Franky, I have so much respect for you. But you are trying to defend evil, which is clear to all. These killings in aid distribution centres have been going on for weeks. If Israel were sincere, it would have devised and implemented other means to distribute these palliatives. Their refusal to change the pattern has continuously resulted in these deaths and injuries. If a strategy is not working why can't you change it? It is clear that they just want to kill innocent people.

seems you are only reading half the story. the half that excludes much context, but oh well.. continue being you

they have changed strategies but hamas simply change with it and cultivate chaos and cause the innocent civilians to become human shields for hamas

i do find it funny how most of the people defending the hamas actions in gaza always used words where they try to suggest only palestinians are hurt, that no hamas troops or rebel gangs were even in the area, even to go as far as avoiding even saying the word hamas as much as possible

i just done a forum search of fiatless name and search term "hamas" and in the last 100 days the only time fiatless used the term hamas is when its not him using the word but a quote of someone else in his post

why are you afraid to say the word hamas and talk about their actions? what are you scared of

[DaRude]

the civilians are morally justified to panic and rush when they are starving. but its hamas that abuse this.

Franky, I have so much respect for you. But you are trying to defend evil, which is clear to all. These killings in aid distribution centres have been going on for weeks. If Israel were sincere, it would have devised and implemented other means to distribute these palliatives. Their refusal to change the pattern has continuously resulted in these deaths and injuries. If a strategy is not working why can't you change it? It is clear that they just want to kill innocent people.

seems you are only reading half the story. the half that excludes much context, but oh well.. continue being you

they have changed strategies but hamas simply change with it and cultivate chaos and cause the innocent civilians to become human shields for hamas

i do find it funny how most of the people defending the hamas actions in gaza always used words where they try to suggest only palestinians are hurt, that no hamas troops or rebel gangs were even in the area, even to go as far as avoiding even saying the word hamas as much as possible

i just done a forum search of fiatless name and search term "hamas" and in the last 100 days the only time fiatless used the term hamas is when its not him using the word but a quote of someone else in his post

why are you afraid to say the word hamas and talk about their actions? what are you scared of

I find it funny how if we bring all your arguments to their logical conclusion, they all lead to how the world should sit idly and allow Israel massacre as many civilians as they wish in Gaza and blame Hamas for it because...reasons. It will bring a dark day for humanity and a terrible precedent if the world allows that.

[franky1]

Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

i know you will probably want to crocodile tear and violin play "but what about the malnurished babies" to which i would reply there has been enough baby formula sent into gaza to feed the babies for months. however hamas propaganda told the stories that sending baby formula is a act of genocide as its not fit for adult consumption.. (hamas admitting they think it was not intended for the babies when they steal it and realise it was not adult food for their troops and loyal supporters)

other subtle things to note
in a war torn area, especially since oct 7th 2023. hamas have been foolishly trying to get innocent palestinians to procreate enmasse.
saying that people whom are pregnant will be safe if they stay in hamas guarded area's (aka pregnant women and families with infants become human shields)

hamas then use this as further reason to overtake food shipments before they reach charity distribution sites. to feed their troops and loyal human shields
because hamas say isrealis are not leting hamas take the food so isreal is starving the families which hamas 'look after'

isreal had in 2023-24 dealt with hamas directly, by shooting only those showing violence towards the aid workers. but over the years things escalated, new tactics were employed and things have got worse, hamas using innocent palestinians starvation as a tool to turn people into aggressors

as for the thousands of the rushing crowd ascending on the trucks, remember its thousands of people rushing dozen defending troops. and only 51 were killed not thousands. so dont start using words like massacre or genocide. the aid defending troops gave warnings verbally, then done warning shots (infront, not at) the crowd and when the crowd didnt back down only those showing greatest threat in the escalations got shot

im not applauding the actions of any side, im just exposing greater detail of the context that some purposefully ignore

[DaRude]

Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

i know you will probably want to crocodile tear and violin play "but what about the malnurished babies" to which i would reply there has been enough baby formula sent into gaza to feed the babies for months. however hamas propaganda told the stories that sending baby formula is a act of genocide as its not fit for adult consumption.. (hamas admitting they think it was not intended for the babies when they steal it and realise it was not adult food for their troops and loyal supporters)

other subtle things to note
in a war torn area, especially since oct 7th 2023. hamas have been foolishly trying to get innocent palestinians to procreate enmasse.
saying that people whom are pregnant will be safe if they stay in hamas guarded area's (aka pregnant women and families with infants become human shields)

hamas then use this as further reason to overtake food shipments before they reach charity distribution sites. to feed their troops and loyal human shields
because hamas say isrealis are not leting hamas take the food so isreal is starving the families which hamas 'look after'

isreal had in 2023-24 dealt with hamas directly, by shooting only those showing violence towards the aid workers. but over the years things escalated, new tactics were employed and things have got worse, hamas using innocent palestinians starvation as a tool to turn people into aggressors

as for the thousands of the rushing crowd ascending on the trucks, remember its thousands of people rushing dozen defending troops. and only 51 were killed not thousands. so dont start using words like massacre or genocide. the aid defending troops gave warnings verbally, then done warning shots (infront, not at) the crowd and when the crowd didnt back down only those showing greatest threat in the escalations got shot

im not applauding the actions of any side, im just exposing greater detail of the context that some purposefully ignore

1-Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say...More than 200 people were reportedly injured but we all believe random forum member over BBC
2-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
3-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
4-ahh i see Israel forces were just defending the trucks and the civilians driving them. Well, at least technically that's a justification, but then questions of proportionality, protecting civilians from harm, and minimization of civilian casualties under Geneva convention come into play, but i guess IDF don't really care about that document, right?

Almost all the casualties in Gaza in recent days have been linked to the delivery of aid rather than Israeli strikes on Hamas targets.

Surely must be just a coincidence, right   ? Or wait has Hamas gotten into BBC too  ?

We should all ignore what UNICEF, ICRC, ICC, and mass media reports, and just believe what you/Israel says, essentially just close our eyes at let Israel kill as many civilians in Gaza as they wish because you know...Hamas

[BADecker]

Hamas always makes me hungry for...  Middle East humus.

Of course, humus in the soil is what makes the plants grow so well.