Why Israel decided to strike Iran

[paxmao]

Most of you (I guess) were aware of the ongoing negotiations of the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short. Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.

I am going to be stating some facts, not saying this is right, wrong or whatever, but I will start by reckoning that I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.

- Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel (and I mean two or three times a week in public TV and in pro-regime "demostrations" all the time - not judging, just saying = and having nuclear weapons would mean they would actually be able to carry out their "dream". It could even be potentially done in a "deniable" manner, just giving a nuke to one of the "militias" that Iran sponsors in the area.

Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.

Why do I think (and many others) that Iran's claims of only civilian use of nuclear energy are bullshit:

Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile. You need a blast-vaccum device. Iran has tested this tecnology (without the fissile material) and there is only one reason to do so: build a nuke that can be used in a balistic missile.

Why would Iran need to fit it is a Missile? Because other that using the "Ukranian Delivery", AKA send it on a truck, they would struggle to get it to israel in a reliable and deterrent causing method.

So it is clear Iran's regime has the will to embark a few nukes in a few missiles and from there to launch it seems to be a short distance.

All this has to be understood in the context of the Iranian regime - some mixture of a Theocracy (not know for the use of logic) and purely a dictatorship that is not particularly stable. So, who out there is in for having an unstable regime armed with nukes?

So, why not wait for negotiations? Why did Israel not trust the peace process?

It is simple, Israel is afraid of T.A.C.O. . Israel is obviously not willing to put his existance in the hands of the negotiation "skills" of Trump. Nor should the US people IMHO.

[franky1]

So, why not wait for negotiations? Why did Israel not trust the peace process?

It is simple, Israel is afraid of T.A.C.O. . Israel is obviously not willing to put his existance in the hands of the negotiation "skills" of Trump. Nor should the US people IMHO.

isreal was fully willing to see results of a possible peace deal set for negotiations for sunday 15th june
but it was iran that didnt want to wait nor attend sundays meeting

iran declared days earlier it wont be attending, and announced it wanted to build nukes

9th june: iran announced a counter offer peace deal that includes allowing nuclear research and refining
11th june iran announced testing ballistic missiles
11th june iran announced "Every so often it is said that if negotiations fail, it will lead to a conflict."
11th june: iran announced "I declare that in case a conflict is imposed upon us, we will strike our designated target"
11th june: iran cancels the scheduled peacedeal meetup
12th june: iran announced it built and will activate a third nuclear enrichment facility,

..
lets lay it out as if you were a 5yo child

imagine you invited someone from your kindergarden to a birthday party, to make friends and to share some (egg free)cake. the party was going to be at the weekend
but then imagine the kid from kindergarden told you mid week(before the party) they dont want to come to any party you are associated with unless he can have something that contains eggs

your friends are allergic to eggs, so the unfriendly kid tells you categorically he wants to raise some chickens but purely for their eggs.. not to make peaceful cake but to egg you friends house until they die from the reactions or they move out of their home. and they want to fight you and your friends every day until they turn 20yo and move away from your home or are already dead

the warning is given.. so now its time to kill his chickens before they lay eggs

[pooya87]

Your understanding of Iran and what the US regime calls negotiations is completely wrong.

the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short.

Wrong.
Iran as a member of NPT and IAEA has a nuclear program like all other members and is under inspection like other members.
Iran unlike other members is under 20 to 30 times more inspections with lots more inspectors assigned to the country.
All IAEA reports so far indicate a peaceful nuclear program according to the international laws and treaties without finding any shred of evidence regarding weapons program.

Trump wants Iran to stop having a nuclear program. Something that ain't gonna happen in a million years since not only it is against international law it is against Iran's sovereignty.
That's not even the main thing the US regime wants. They want to disarm Iran so that they can invade Iran like they invaded Iraq. The WMD lie is similar too. That ain't gonna happen either

Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.

Wrong.
Weapon grade enrichment is >90% whereas Iran has been enriching Uranium at 60%.
Additionally as a member of NPT Iran is allowed to enrich Uranium even at >90% because enrichment has nothing to do with proliferation.

I am going to be stating some facts,

Wrong.
You are repeating propaganda.

I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.

And you are fine living in a world where Zionist child killers who are found guilty of genocide by international court to have nukes even after murdering 200,000 people?
How about the rednecks who have one of the largest arsenal of WMDs and have a history of using them like when they used 2 nukes in Japan slaughtering people after the war had ended and Japan had surrendered?

interesting...

Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel

The world is demanding the disarming of the terrorist regime that has been carrying out genocide in Gaza. Iran will dismantle that terrorist organization the way the world demands.
It does not need to or is capable of using a nuke on occupied Palestine because it is occupied Palestine. A nuke hitting there would kill Palestinians not just the Zionist terrorists that are occupying it.

That's apart from the fact that weapons of mass destruction is considered haram by Islam and Iran has not yet pursued them (I say yet because when the nation is threatened the posture can change since majority of Iranians are demanding nukes after US-Israel Axis started its recent terrorist attacks on civilians).

Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.

Israel has already become unlivable for the occupiers and Iran hasn't even began. So far only a small number of 20-30 year old missiles have hit Israel in retaliation for the terrorist attacks they carried out in Iran.
It is already collapsing.

Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile.

The propagandists you are repeating were once saying that Iran can't hit Israel because they are incapable of building any missiles that can reach that far. They were saying the missiles they show is "photoshopped"
It's been raining missiles across Israel over the past 4 days.

[franky1]

Your understanding of Iran and what the US regime calls negotiations is completely wrong.

the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short.

Wrong.
Iran as a member of NPT and IAEA has a nuclear program like all other members and is under inspection like other members.
Iran unlike other members is under 20 to 30 times more inspections with lots more inspectors assigned to the country.
All IAEA reports so far indicate a peaceful nuclear program according to the international laws and treaties without finding any shred of evidence regarding weapons program.

^ past tense

iran admit to having facilities which they want to start using to refine nuclear material, locations already built but not previously disclosed. thus breaching the conditions of the NPT

iran wanted to exit NPT.. even you admit to the knowledge of using article 10 to exit it..

Iran has the right to activate article 10 which gives Iran the right to also build nukes since the country is being threatened by regimes armed to the teeth with weapons of mass murder including nukes.

article 10 is irans exit of NPT

Article X

Each Party shall in exercising its national sovereignty have the right to withdraw from the Treaty if it decides that extraordinary events, related
to the subject matter of this Treaty, have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country. It shall give notice of such withdrawal to all other parties to the Treaty and to the United Nations Security Council three months in advance. Such notice shall include a statement of the extraordinary events it regards as having jeopardized its supreme interests.

Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile.

The propagandists you are repeating were once saying that Iran can't hit Israel because they are incapable of building any missiles that can reach that far. They were saying the missiles they show is "photoshopped"
It's been raining missiles across Israel over the past 4 days.

your sources were initially showing pictures of elon musks starship breaking apart in january but being said was missiles heading towards isreal in june.. even you thought it was missiles headed towards isreal until i corrected you
oh and your sources also sent you pictures of a rahlbolt wall screw, which you naively thought was remnants of a missile..

that is why many laughed at some of the "sources" of images claiming to be missiles heading towards isreal

the propaganda being spread is soo badly put together that it changes peoples opinions and makes idiots look like bigger idiots if they keep blindly believing it..
even your recites of propaganda today, you still think that iran has enough fire power to keep up a conflict for 15 years.. but we all know the only way iran can win is with a nuke. so all methods available to stop iran must and should be taken before iran take it that far

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dont cry now that you suddenly believe iran dont want or need nukes because you consider it 'haram'.. you love the idea of iran wiping out isreal, you want iran to be free to make them, your adoration have been clear in many topics this month

[paxmao]

Franky, you seem to live in a paralle universe. The negotiations do not start in the dates you mention, they have been going for many weeks, and Israel has seen how Iran played TACO while advancing their programme.

Your understanding of Iran and what the US regime calls negotiations is completely wrong.

the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short.

Wrong.
Iran as a member of NPT and IAEA has a nuclear program like all other members and is under inspection like other members.
Iran unlike other members is under 20 to 30 times more inspections with lots more inspectors assigned to the country.
All IAEA reports so far indicate a peaceful nuclear program according to the international laws and treaties without finding any shred of evidence regarding weapons program.

Trump wants Iran to stop having a nuclear program. Something that ain't gonna happen in a million years since not only it is against international law it is against Iran's sovereignty.
That's not even the main thing the US regime wants. They want to disarm Iran so that they can invade Iran like they invaded Iraq. The WMD lie is similar too. That ain't gonna happen either

Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.

Wrong.
Weapon grade enrichment is >90% whereas Iran has been enriching Uranium at 60%.
Additionally as a member of NPT Iran is allowed to enrich Uranium even at >90% because enrichment has nothing to do with proliferation.

I am going to be stating some facts,

Wrong.
You are repeating propaganda.

I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.

And you are fine living in a world where Zionist child killers who are found guilty of genocide by international court to have nukes even after murdering 200,000 people?
How about the rednecks who have one of the largest arsenal of WMDs and have a history of using them like when they used 2 nukes in Japan slaughtering people after the war had ended and Japan had surrendered?

interesting...

Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel

The world is demanding the disarming of the terrorist regime that has been carrying out genocide in Gaza. Iran will dismantle that terrorist organization the way the world demands.
It does not need to or is capable of using a nuke on occupied Palestine because it is occupied Palestine. A nuke hitting there would kill Palestinians not just the Zionist terrorists that are occupying it.

That's apart from the fact that weapons of mass destruction is considered haram by Islam and Iran has not yet pursued them (I say yet because when the nation is threatened the posture can change since majority of Iranians are demanding nukes after US-Israel Axis started its recent terrorist attacks on civilians).

Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.

Israel has already become unlivable for the occupiers and Iran hasn't even began. So far only a small number of 20-30 year old missiles have hit Israel in retaliation for the terrorist attacks they carried out in Iran.
It is already collapsing.

Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile.

The propagandists you are repeating were once saying that Iran can't hit Israel because they are incapable of building any missiles that can reach that far. They were saying the missiles they show is "photoshopped"
It's been raining missiles across Israel over the past 4 days.

You give me too much work...

Firstly read carefully - Nobody here said that Iran does not have missiles, however to put a nuke in one you need certain technologies. Since Iran started testing those capabilities and creating the required Uranium, the argument of "peaceful use" is obviously a lie. The enrichment is absolutely linked to proliferation. In fact, in the next paragraph you argue that Iran is in his right to get nukes. You should try to make sense with yourself.

This is Iran's "compliance:

(e) Regretting that despite the above resolutions by the Board and numerous opportunities provided by the Director General since 2019, Iran has failed to provide the co-operation required under its Safeguards Agreement, impeding Agency verification activities, sanitizing locations,
and repeatedly failing to provide the Agency with technically credible explanations for the presence of uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran or information on the current location(s) of nuclear material and/or of contaminated equipment,

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-38.pdf

And before you say some stupid shit, this is actually the IAEA, not your "wester propaganda media". Read carefully: "Failing to provide the agency with technically credible explanations..."

(f) Noting the Director General’s conclusion contained in GOV/2025/25 that Iran did not
declare nuclear material and nuclear-related activities at three undeclared locations in Iran,
specifically, Lavisan-Shian, Varamin, and Turquzabad, and that, because of the lack of technically
credible answers by Iran, the Agency is not in a position to determine whether the nuclear material
at these undeclared locations in Iran has been consumed, mixed with other declared material, or
is still outside of Safeguards,

(g) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that these undeclared locations were part of
an undeclared, structured programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s, and that some of
these activities used undeclared nuclear material,

(h) Noting with concern the Agency’s conclusion that Iran retained unknown nuclear material
and/or heavily contaminated equipment, and other assets, arising from the former undeclared
structured nuclear programme, at Turquzabad in the period 2009 until 2018, after which items
were removed from the location, the whereabouts of which remain unknown,

You are an absolute hypocrite and that is why you fit perfectly in your role. The only reason the Ayatolahs want nukes is to preserve THE REGIME. Once they get these weapons, it is immensely more risky to allow a revolution or a regime change. This has never been about Iran, it is always about the Ayatolah's regime.

I am not fine with anyone having nukes, but. I am particularly worried about iran due to the regime, just as many people are. I assume that the moment Iran has nukes, then Arabia, Oman, ... all of them will need them to keep the status quo.

As far as I know, Israel has had nukes for several decades and did not use them against Iran. All the rest of your claims belong in a different discussion.

[BADecker]

Iran nuclear development is housed in the Zagros Mountains, 90 meters below the surface. Only the US has bunker buster missiles that might be able to reach that deep. If they can't reach that deep, they might be able to cause earthquakes that could damage the facilities of Iran there.

That's why the US is pulling out of the Ukraine war. They are going for Iran's nuke production facilities. And it will take everything the US has to do damage there. Seems that 4 aircraft carriers are heading for Iran. Nothing left to help Ukraine.

This is why Israel decided to strike Iran... to destroy Iranian nuke production, and force-get help from the US to do it.

[pooya87]

Since Iran started testing those capabilities and creating the required Uranium, the argument of "peaceful use" is obviously a lie.

Wrong.
There is no evidence of Iran testing these capabilities.

The enrichment is absolutely linked to proliferation.

No it is not.

In fact, in the next paragraph you argue that Iran is in his right to get nukes. You should try to make sense with yourself.

I'm not sure which part of this very obvious matter doesn't make sense to you.

uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran

Let me translate that for you.
I accuse you to having stolen my money in 2000 and we go to court and you prove that you haven't and court votes in your favor.
A couple of years later in 2010 I accuse you again of having stolen my money in 2000 and bring you to court.
A couple of years later in 2020 I accuse you again of having stolen my money in 2000 and bring you to court....
At some point you have to ask why is the legal system broken!

That's what's happening here. Decades ago, Israeli terrorists who own weapons of mass murder and do not answer to any international organization including UN, IAEA and are not member of NPT told IAEA that Iran has been enriching Uranium in 3 locations. If my memory serves one of those locations were like a cow farm
IAEA agents came and Iran explained and it was over. Then in later years the Western politicians kept bringing that up over and over referring to the report by the Israeli terrorists!

What you quoted here is the policical statement made by a man who is begging Trump to help him become UN Secretary-General!
And it is in complete contradiction with dozens of previous IAEA reports! You may want to read those too.

You are an absolute hypocrite and that is why you fit perfectly in your role. The only reason the Ayatolahs want nukes is to preserve THE REGIME. Once they get these weapons, it is immensely more risky to allow a revolution or a regime change. This has never been about Iran, it is always about the Ayatolah's regime.

Your familiar silly language reminded me of your past statements of another so called "regime" in Syria while you were celebrating revival of ISIS terrorists.
I'm sure you never cared to follow that up and read how US regime basically confessed to having lied about everything from "Assad being a dictator" all the way to "fighting ISIS" when they said they started all that to just overthrow a democratically elected government and they were supporting al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Syria

No wonder you are saying the same silly things. Your sources are the same mouthpieces who support the Israeli terrorists and the genocide that is being carried out in Gaza. Obviously anybody who fights these terrorists has to be demonized, therefore your weird language and usage of keywords like "ayuatolahs" and "REGIME"
You gotta change the mouthpieces you follow dude...

[paxmao]

Since Iran started testing those capabilities and creating the required Uranium, the argument of "peaceful use" is obviously a lie.

Wrong.
There is no evidence of Iran testing these capabilities.

The enrichment is absolutely linked to proliferation.

No it is not.

In fact, in the next paragraph you argue that Iran is in his right to get nukes. You should try to make sense with yourself.

I'm not sure which part of this very obvious matter doesn't make sense to you.

uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran

Let me translate that for you.
I accuse you to having stolen my money in 2000 and we go to court and you prove that you haven't and court votes in your favor.
A couple of years later in 2010 I accuse you again of having stolen my money in 2000 and bring you to court.
A couple of years later in 2020 I accuse you again of having stolen my money in 2000 and bring you to court....
At some point you have to ask why is the legal system broken!

That's what's happening here. Decades ago, Israeli terrorists who own weapons of mass murder and do not answer to any international organization including UN, IAEA and are not member of NPT told IAEA that Iran has been enriching Uranium in 3 locations. If my memory serves one of those locations were like a cow farm
IAEA agents came and Iran explained and it was over. Then in later years the Western politicians kept bringing that up over and over referring to the report by the Israeli terrorists!

What you quoted here is the policical statement made by a man who is begging Trump to help him become UN Secretary-General!
And it is in complete contradiction with dozens of previous IAEA reports! You may want to read those too.

You are an absolute hypocrite and that is why you fit perfectly in your role. The only reason the Ayatolahs want nukes is to preserve THE REGIME. Once they get these weapons, it is immensely more risky to allow a revolution or a regime change. This has never been about Iran, it is always about the Ayatolah's regime.

Your familiar silly language reminded me of your past statements of another so called "regime" in Syria while you were celebrating revival of ISIS terrorists.
I'm sure you never cared to follow that up and read how US regime basically confessed to having lied about everything from "Assad being a dictator" all the way to "fighting ISIS" when they said they started all that to just overthrow a democratically elected government and they were supporting al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups in Syria

No wonder you are saying the same silly things. Your sources are the same mouthpieces who support the Israeli terrorists and the genocide that is being carried out in Gaza. Obviously anybody who fights these terrorists has to be demonized, therefore your weird language and usage of keywords like "ayuatolahs" and "REGIME"
You gotta change the mouthpieces you follow dude...

Ok, so you admit that your statement about Iran collaborating is effective false... BUT Iran was not trying to test nuclear weapons...

You see, the problem of lying - I am not sure if you simply do not know or you are simply lying - is that it is easy to catch. it is precisely the IAEA that you cite as source that says as early as 2011:

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/weapon-program-background-report/history-irans-nuclear-program#Weaponization%20Efforts%20and%20Undeclared%20Sites

The 2011 report contained detailed information about Iran’s effort to develop a nuclear weapon, including:

computer modeling of implosion, compression, and nuclear yield, as recently as 2009;
high explosive tests simulating a nuclear explosion but using non-nuclear material in order to see whether an implosion device would work;
the construction of at least one containment vessel at a military site, in which to conduct such high explosive tests;
studies on detonation of high explosive charges, in order to ensure uniform compression in an implosion device, including at least one large scale experiment in 2003, and experimental research after 2003;
support from a foreign expert, reportedly a former Soviet weapon scientist named Vyacheslav Danilenko, in developing a detonation system suitable for nuclear weapons and a diagnostic system needed to monitor the detonation experiments;
manufacture of a neutron initiator, which is placed in the core of an implosion device and, when compressed, generates neutrons to start a nuclear chain reaction, along with validation studies on the initiator design from 2006 onward;
the development of exploding bridgewire detonators (EBWs) used in simultaneous detonation, which are needed to initiate an implosive shock wave in fission bombs;
the development of high voltage firing equipment that would enable detonation in the air, above a target, in a fashion only making sense for a nuclear payload;
testing of high voltage firing equipment to ensure that it could fire EBWs over the long distance needed for nuclear weapon testing, when a device might be located down a deep shaft;
a program to integrate a new spherical payload onto Iran’s Shahab-3 missile, enabling the missile to accommodate the detonation package described above.

Comm'on, keep lying. The evidence going to be embarrasing.

[tvbcof]

Well I'll be go'ed to hell; looks like hazelnuts grow in Iran too!  Or, this is a fake vid.

I was going to suggest that for every GBU-57A/B the U.S. 'supplies to Israel', Russia matches with an Oreshnik.  No need.  Indeed, seems possible that the flow is reversed and Iran supplies them to Russia?  A practical advantage of the Oreshik is that one need not supply a $1,000,000,000 strategic bomber along with the bomb.  Handy.

  Iran launched new ballistic missiles towards Israel
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uTfA1aGFCvX

Edit:  More first-hand observations.  Around the 12:00 mark:

  Iran's Missiles RAIN HELL on Tel Aviv, US War IMMINENT w/ Mohammad Marandi, Lowkey & Ali
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtvlmbHPE1fe

Sounds like Oreshnik, or what we (who pay attention to the Zionazi operations in former Ukraine...aka, 'new Israel'?) know as Oreshnik.

[BADecker]

Well I'll be go'ed to hell; looks like hazelnuts grow in Iran too!  Or, this is a fake vid.

I was going to suggest that for every GBU-57A/B the U.S. 'supplies to Israel', Russia matches with an Oreshnik.  No need.  Indeed, seems possible that the flow is reversed and Iran supplies them to Russia?  A practical advantage of the Oreshik is that one need not supply a $1,000,000,000 strategic bomber along with the bomb.  Handy.

  Iran launched new ballistic missiles towards Israel
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uTfA1aGFCvX

Edit:  More first-hand observations.  Around the 12:00 mark:

  Iran's Missiles RAIN HELL on Tel Aviv, US War IMMINENT w/ Mohammad Marandi, Lowkey & Ali
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtvlmbHPE1fe

Sounds like Oreshnik, or what we (who pay attention to the Zionazi operations in former Ukraine...aka, 'new Israel'?) know as Oreshnik.

Does it really go at mach 10.5? Why doesn't it use nukes?

Some folks say that the nukes used in Japan were really TNT or the like. Maybe nukes are useless, and it is only the propaganda threat of nukes that make them dangerous.

[RealNoblee]

Most of you (I guess) were aware of the ongoing negotiations of the US with Iran to get Iran to be inspected and have a non-proliferation of some short. Most of you may be aware that Iran has been enriching Uranium near atomic weapons grade for quite a while.

I am going to be stating some facts, not saying this is right, wrong or whatever, but I will start by reckoning that I feel better in a world in which the Ayatolahs do not have a red button.

- Israel cannot aford to have a nuclearised Iran, since the current regime call for the destruction of the state of Israel (and I mean two or three times a week in public TV and in pro-regime "demostrations" all the time - not judging, just saying = and having nuclear weapons would mean they would actually be able to carry out their "dream". It could even be potentially done in a "deniable" manner, just giving a nuke to one of the "militias" that Iran sponsors in the area.

Effectively, Israel is a relatively small country, and three or four well placed modern warheads would collapse the state and make in unliveable.

Why do I think (and many others) that Iran's claims of only civilian use of nuclear energy are bullshit:

Getting a couple of nukes into Israel is more difficult than it seems. Iran does have missiles yes, but you cannot practically use a simple atomic device ("cannon shot") in a missile. You need a blast-vaccum device. Iran has tested this tecnology (without the fissile material) and there is only one reason to do so: build a nuke that can be used in a balistic missile.

Why would Iran need to fit it is a Missile? Because other that using the "Ukranian Delivery", AKA send it on a truck, they would struggle to get it to israel in a reliable and deterrent causing method.

So it is clear Iran's regime has the will to embark a few nukes in a few missiles and from there to launch it seems to be a short distance.

All this has to be understood in the context of the Iranian regime - some mixture of a Theocracy (not know for the use of logic) and purely a dictatorship that is not particularly stable. So, who out there is in for having an unstable regime armed with nukes?

So, why not wait for negotiations? Why did Israel not trust the peace process?

It is simple, Israel is afraid of T.A.C.O. . Israel is obviously not willing to put his existance in the hands of the negotiation "skills" of Trump. Nor should the US people IMHO.

Just to add
Israel’s PM Netanyahu, clearly suspected Iran in many years have been accumulatedating uranium of above 400kg and is close to developing nuclear weapons-grade for a bomb

Israel also acknowledged that Iran military was lacking the power to perform. I
Because Iran presenting its self to act on behalf in Gaza, Lebanon, and Yemen where missile and air-defense sites had been hit; and domestic unrest and sanctions further hampered its deterrence  .

[paxmao]

Well I'll be go'ed to hell; looks like hazelnuts grow in Iran too! Â Or, this is a fake vid.

I was going to suggest that for every GBU-57A/B the U.S. 'supplies to Israel', Russia matches with an Oreshnik. Â No need. Â Indeed, seems possible that the flow is reversed and Iran supplies them to Russia? Â A practical advantage of the Oreshik is that one need not supply a $1,000,000,000 strategic bomber along with the bomb. Â Handy.

 Â Iran launched new ballistic missiles towards Israel
 Â https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uTfA1aGFCvX

Edit:  More first-hand observations.  Around the 12:00 mark:

  Iran's Missiles RAIN HELL on Tel Aviv, US War IMMINENT w/ Mohammad Marandi, Lowkey & Ali
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtvlmbHPE1fe

Sounds like Oreshnik, or what we (who pay attention to the Zionazi operations in former Ukraine...aka, 'new Israel'?) know as Oreshnik.

Does it really go at mach 10.5? Why doesn't it use nukes?

Some folks say that the nukes used in Japan were really TNT or the like. Maybe nukes are useless, and it is only the propaganda threat of nukes that make them dangerous.

Of course BA, the wilder the theory the better and if it is done by "folks", who would doubt ever?  

Hiroshima bomb yield was 15 kTon. Maybe your "folks" can explain how anyone loaded 15.000 Tons (that is 15 million kilograms) of TNT on a WWII plane. Or on any plane for that matter. As a clue, a B52 can carry 32000 kilos... so your theory is that the US send modern planes using a time machine to WW II - precisely they sent 500 of these planes in secret, loaded them to the top and then made them all bomb 2 times Japan - but, am this is why I am suspicious   they all had to drop it at the same time.

Oh Oh... sorry I am just laughing my but out as I find that ALL the conventional bombs ever used in WW II are estimated around 20 kTon. So after time-travelling those 500 B52 to the past, you would need to create from nothing more bombs than all the ones used in the war and then bomb at the same time, etc.

BA, you are the only one here that does not "get it".

Ballistic missiles usually exceed Macth 10 - this is technology from the 40s and 50s, but there are two reasons why Iran cannot use nukes in their missiles:

a) The most obvious, they do not have the required fissile material - thus they do not have nukes yet.
b) If you bothered to read the thread, the technology to use a nuke in a missile is not that trivial. The "gun" detonator cannot be used and there are quite a few technical "details" to find out about.

Anyway, the nuclear programme would not be that difficult if Ruzzia really wanted Iran to have nukes. My guess is that they don't, nor does anyone else tbh.

[franky1]

So, why not wait for negotiations? Why did Israel not trust the peace process?

It is simple, Israel is afraid of T.A.C.O. . Israel is obviously not willing to put his existance in the hands of the negotiation "skills" of Trump. Nor should the US people IMHO.

isreal was fully willing to see results of a possible peace deal set for negotiations for sunday 15th june
but it was iran that didnt want to wait nor attend sundays meeting

iran declared days earlier it wont be attending, and announced it wanted to build nukes

9th june: iran announced a counter offer peace deal that includes allowing nuclear research and refining
11th june iran announced testing ballistic missiles
11th june iran announced "Every so often it is said that if negotiations fail, it will lead to a conflict."
11th june: iran announced "I declare that in case a conflict is imposed upon us, we will strike our designated target"
11th june: iran cancels the scheduled peacedeal meetup
12th june: iran announced it built and will activate a third nuclear enrichment facility,

Franky, you seem to live in a paralle universe. The negotiations do not start in the dates you mention, they have been going for many weeks, and Israel has seen how Iran played TACO while advancing their programme.

the date i mentioned 15th june was actually a meeting date!!!(which iran cancelled)

the other dates 9th-12th are not meeting dates, but other event dates that caused isreal and US to REACT to iran ACTIONS
for instance on the 11th they declined to meet up on the 15th.. and on the 11th admitting to intentions that didnt seem to lead to wanting peace

as for the dates of negotiations..
negotiations were going on for 60 days prior to 12th june.. (april 12th-june 12th = 60 days)
trump even gave an extension of two weeks

there were other events but i just mentioned the most reactionary impactful
such as there was another meeting set for the 12th which iran postponed, til the 15th..
so cancelling the 15th appointment was a big slap towards US as they already postponed/delayed previous date

[BADecker]

Well I'll be go'ed to hell; looks like hazelnuts grow in Iran too! Â Or, this is a fake vid.

I was going to suggest that for every GBU-57A/B the U.S. 'supplies to Israel', Russia matches with an Oreshnik. Â No need. Â Indeed, seems possible that the flow is reversed and Iran supplies them to Russia? Â A practical advantage of the Oreshik is that one need not supply a $1,000,000,000 strategic bomber along with the bomb. Â Handy.

 Â Iran launched new ballistic missiles towards Israel
 Â https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uTfA1aGFCvX

Edit:  More first-hand observations.  Around the 12:00 mark:

  Iran's Missiles RAIN HELL on Tel Aviv, US War IMMINENT w/ Mohammad Marandi, Lowkey & Ali
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtvlmbHPE1fe

Sounds like Oreshnik, or what we (who pay attention to the Zionazi operations in former Ukraine...aka, 'new Israel'?) know as Oreshnik.

Does it really go at mach 10.5? Why doesn't it use nukes?

Some folks say that the nukes used in Japan were really TNT or the like. Maybe nukes are useless, and it is only the propaganda threat of nukes that make them dangerous.

Of course BA, the wilder the theory the better and if it is done by "folks", who would doubt ever?  

Hiroshima bomb yield was 15 kTon. Maybe your "folks" can explain how anyone loaded 15.000 Tons (that is 15 million kilograms) of TNT on a WWII plane. Or on any plane for that matter. As a clue, a B52 can carry 32000 kilos... so your theory is that the US send modern planes using a time machine to WW II - precisely they sent 500 of these planes in secret, loaded them to the top and then made them all bomb 2 times Japan - but, am this is why I am suspicious   they all had to drop it at the same time.

Oh Oh... sorry I am just laughing my but out as I find that ALL the conventional bombs ever used in WW II are estimated around 20 kTon. So after time-travelling those 500 B52 to the past, you would need to create from nothing more bombs than all the ones used in the war and then bomb at the same time, etc.

BA, you are the only one here that does not "get it".

Ballistic missiles usually exceed Macth 10 - this is technology from the 40s and 50s, but there are two reasons why Iran cannot use nukes in their missiles:

a) The most obvious, they do not have the required fissile material - thus they do not have nukes yet.
b) If you bothered to read the thread, the technology to use a nuke in a missile is not that trivial. The "gun" detonator cannot be used and there are quite a few technical "details" to find out about.

Anyway, the nuclear programme would not be that difficult if Ruzzia really wanted Iran to have nukes. My guess is that they don't, nor does anyone else tbh.

Nya, nya, scardy cat. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but all your yammer about fake nukes can't hurt me.

Note that you are right about Russia not wanting Ukraine to have nukes. If they did, they would send them, themselves, in Oreshnik.

[paxmao]

Well I'll be go'ed to hell; looks like hazelnuts grow in Iran too! Â Or, this is a fake vid.

I was going to suggest that for every GBU-57A/B the U.S. 'supplies to Israel', Russia matches with an Oreshnik. Â No need. Â Indeed, seems possible that the flow is reversed and Iran supplies them to Russia? Â A practical advantage of the Oreshik is that one need not supply a $1,000,000,000 strategic bomber along with the bomb. Â Handy.

 Â Iran launched new ballistic missiles towards Israel
 Â https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uTfA1aGFCvX

Edit:  More first-hand observations.  Around the 12:00 mark:

  Iran's Missiles RAIN HELL on Tel Aviv, US War IMMINENT w/ Mohammad Marandi, Lowkey & Ali
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/WtvlmbHPE1fe

Sounds like Oreshnik, or what we (who pay attention to the Zionazi operations in former Ukraine...aka, 'new Israel'?) know as Oreshnik.

Does it really go at mach 10.5? Why doesn't it use nukes?

Some folks say that the nukes used in Japan were really TNT or the like. Maybe nukes are useless, and it is only the propaganda threat of nukes that make them dangerous.

Of course BA, the wilder the theory the better and if it is done by "folks", who would doubt ever?  

Hiroshima bomb yield was 15 kTon. Maybe your "folks" can explain how anyone loaded 15.000 Tons (that is 15 million kilograms) of TNT on a WWII plane. Or on any plane for that matter. As a clue, a B52 can carry 32000 kilos... so your theory is that the US send modern planes using a time machine to WW II - precisely they sent 500 of these planes in secret, loaded them to the top and then made them all bomb 2 times Japan - but, am this is why I am suspicious   they all had to drop it at the same time.

Oh Oh... sorry I am just laughing my but out as I find that ALL the conventional bombs ever used in WW II are estimated around 20 kTon. So after time-travelling those 500 B52 to the past, you would need to create from nothing more bombs than all the ones used in the war and then bomb at the same time, etc.

BA, you are the only one here that does not "get it".

Ballistic missiles usually exceed Macth 10 - this is technology from the 40s and 50s, but there are two reasons why Iran cannot use nukes in their missiles:

a) The most obvious, they do not have the required fissile material - thus they do not have nukes yet.
b) If you bothered to read the thread, the technology to use a nuke in a missile is not that trivial. The "gun" detonator cannot be used and there are quite a few technical "details" to find out about.

Anyway, the nuclear programme would not be that difficult if Ruzzia really wanted Iran to have nukes. My guess is that they don't, nor does anyone else tbh.

Nya, nya, scardy cat. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but all your yammer about fake nukes can't hurt me.

Note that you are right about Russia not wanting Ukraine to have nukes. If they did, they would send them, themselves, in Oreshnik.

So, your answer to a scientific and very basic explanation is that?  You are a work of art BA.

Familiarise yourselve with radioactive clouds and the basics of international diplomacy and you will understand why is such a terrible idea to use any nuke in Ukraine.

You are not going to do it, but just in case I will leave in here the archives about the bombs dropped in Japan.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/25751654.2019.1681226