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June 24, 2025, 12:20:39 AM
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So someone came up with the idea of Iran being a miner of Bitcoin because as we have recently seen, when the bombing campaign started we say hashrate go down by a lot. It was reported that around a 27% crash in hashrate was registered this weekend. Im not sure how oftne hashrate charts are updated, im using the one in bitinfocharts and it still shows a crash. I assume it will go up again as we saw the price go up. So my question is: Do you buy on this theory? Or is this just simple hashrate following price?
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June 24, 2025, 12:38:54 AM
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Do you buy on this theory? Or is this just simple hashrate following price?
Iran has nothing to do with any hashrate drop. It is just more of the usual random ups & downs. Hell, a butterfly farting in South America has the same effect.

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Although I do not know what caused the recent drop but it is good to know that the mining hash rates has been fluctuating since many months ago. You can easily see what I am talking about on the image below.



You can see how the mining hash rates have been fluctuating up and down.

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June 24, 2025, 08:33:51 PM
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An interesting question, how do these services calculate the hashrate?
There are a lot of mining pools and not all pools are known and open to statistics

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An interesting question, how do these services calculate the hashrate?
There are a lot of mining pools and not all pools are known and open to statistics

I would like to know that. I thought you could see the hashrate somewhere in real time but all reports seem to have days of lag and so the chart is seem to be made off single daily points.. probably some average or opening hashrate or something, I don't get it.
And as far as the theory, to me it remains interesting because we've had crazy places before like Bhutan showing interest in Bitcoin mining, and im sure Russia and others are mining hard. These guys are supposedly making a nuke so they should have some power for mining if they wanted. I hope not since rogue nations aren't our friends but what can you do.
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June 24, 2025, 10:58:51 PM
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https://developer.bitcoin.org/reference/rpc/getmininginfo.html

bitcoin-cli getmininginfo

and in there you have


  "networkhashps" : n,         (numeric) The network hashes per second


Not 100% accurate but close enough.

As for a bit of a drop over the past few days, it's been stupid hot all over the US.
And there are lot of miners in Texas. And the state of Texas likes to pay miners not to mine when it's hot out since they can't be bothered to fix their power grid.


https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/03/texas-bitcoin-profit-electricity/

https://www.tpr.org/technology-entrepreneurship/2023-09-06/texas-paid-a-bitcoin-miner-more-than-30-million-to-power-down-during-heat-wave

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June 24, 2025, 11:21:30 PM
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I don't buy the theory. I think it was just a coincidental drop. That's all. Yes, there were bombing in Iran, but not so bad enough to completely disrupt day to day lives. Also, I don't think Iran has a significant number of miners vs. how China was prior to the mining operation bans that happened a few years that had a significant impact on the network hashrate,

 
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June 25, 2025, 03:45:12 AM
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texas powers down a lot of gear in the summer.

it may be that.


see link below


https://www.statesman.com/story/weather/2025/06/16/texas-heat-index-hot-weather-summer-temperatures/84227841007/


high heat means gear needs to be turned off so that people can run ac to cool off.

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Aside from what other member have said, it's also worth to mention that few years ago some news media report Iran have limited power issue and decided to ban Bitcoin mining.

Im not sure how oftne hashrate charts are updated, im using the one in bitinfocharts and it still shows a crash.

I just visited https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-hashrate.html# and it seems their approach to smooth the graph give you wrong perception. https://mempool.space/graphs/mining/hashrate-difficulty shows non-smoothed graph, which shows that April 24 2025 also had similar massive hashrate "drop".

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https://developer.bitcoin.org/reference/rpc/getmininginfo.html

bitcoin-cli getmininginfo

and in there you have


  "networkhashps" : n,         (numeric) The network hashes per second


Not 100% accurate but close enough.

-Dave
Thank you, and how is this value calculated?

For example, miningpoolstats adds up the hashrate of all the pools in their list and gets the total hashrate. And if the pool is not in the list, then its hashrate is not taken into account.
https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin

As a miner, I was more interested in profit and uninterrupted operation of the equipment than calculation hashrate Smiley

But now I want to know a little more.


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https://developer.bitcoin.org/reference/rpc/getmininginfo.html

bitcoin-cli getmininginfo

and in there you have


  "networkhashps" : n,         (numeric) The network hashes per second


Not 100% accurate but close enough.

-Dave
Thank you, and how is this value calculated?

For example, miningpoolstats adds up the hashrate of all the pools in their list and gets the total hashrate. And if the pool is not in the list, then its hashrate is not taken into account.
https://miningpoolstats.stream/bitcoin

As a miner, I was more interested in profit and uninterrupted operation of the equipment than calculation hashrate Smiley

But now I want to know a little more.

The client knows the difficulty and it knows how long it takes to find a block over the last 24 hours.

After that math:
Hashrate =  (blocks solved in last 24 hrs / 144) * difficulty * 2^32 ) / 600

So you get that last rolling 24 hours of hashrate.
Not it's not perfect, but it's close enough.
There could be an unlucky few hours which would cause the hashrate to show lower or a lucky few hours that would show it to be higher.
In the end over the long run you can do the math yourself. You can change the 24 hours to 48 and the 144 to 288 and so on.

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Do you buy on this theory? Or is this just simple hashrate following price?
Iran has nothing to do with any hashrate drop. It is just more of the usual random ups & downs. Hell, a butterfly farting in South America has the same effect.
But the sell off happened just few hours after U.S bombed three key nuclear sites in Iran and in market price movement we understand that technical and fundamental factors affects the price changes and for fundamental analysis news happens to be the primary core measure because bad news quickly spreads FUD. This plunge was below the threshold which is $100k. Should we call it a mere coincidence or a stage where the market is trying to redefine it's trend?.

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After that math:
Hashrate =  (blocks solved in last 24 hrs / 144) * difficulty * 2^32 ) / 600

So you get that last rolling 24 hours of hashrate.
Not it's not perfect, but it's close enough.


I would argue it's not even close enough. See, if you run a 144-sample on the Erlang distribution function, you would see how variance is very likely at numbers you might have thought were not possible. For example, there is a 26% chance that the network finds 5% or fewer blocks, this happens once every 4 times. That's a lot. There's about a 40% chance that the network finds 2% fewer blocks, all without a single miner dropping out of the network. Almost a 10% chance exists for 90% of blocks or more. So it's very likely that you look at the charts or the RPC calls and think, "Oh, the hashrate today dropped by 10%," when it has not.

The point I am trying to make here is that nobody knows what the hashrate is -- it's all just guesswork using the best tools we have at our disposal. You look at the chart posted above, it's a perfect representation of variance. These tools use the same logic you mentioned: assume the network should find x blocks per n period, and then make assumptions based only on that factor. Since they apply this on a small timeframe, like hourly and daily, the results are far off. We don't actually get 50 EH drops daily -- it's not possible, it's just variance.

Now, if we were to take the entire epoch of 2016 blocks and the difficulty drop we witnessed, the numbers would differ a lot. The drop was 7.4%, which is huge. The chances of that happening are just 0.02%. While that still is a possibility, it's more likely that some serious hashrate went offline during that epoch. Of course, it's by no means 7.4% worth of actual hashrate -- because, for all we know, it could be just 3% worth of hashrate and the rest is just variance, which is expected to happen at 3%. Or maybe it's a 4% drop and 3% variance, which is 8% likely.

Was this a large mining farm in Iran or a few large Texas players throttling back for the summer heat? We don't know what we don't know -- but we know that, based on statistics and probability, there was (very likely) a large shutdown somewhere in the ecosystem.

I would like to know that. I thought you could see the hashrate somewhere in real time but all reports seem to have days of lag and so the chart is seem to be made off single daily points..

Hashrate is just a theory; nobody knows what the total hashrate is. In reality, no pool knows their hashrate with 100% accuracy. When a miner connects to a pool, the pool will try to "figure out" its hashrate based on the shares they submit at a given pool difficulty, and even then, the hashrate isn't exactly as it is on the actual miner. If you are wondering about a pool's hashrate, then there are two ways to figure that out.

1. The reported hashrate:

Many pools report their hashrate (again, based on the shares their miners submit). this could be inaccurate and misleading since the pool can report a lower number to show a better luck status or report a larger number to show dominance. It's hard to verify and pretty useless unless you are sure the pool operated is somewhat honest

2. How many blocks do they find at x difficulty?

This is the most accurate way since the difficulty is a part of the blockchain; it's public info and can be verified fairly easily. If you have time, difficulty, and number of blocks, you can calculate (or rather estimate) hashrate, but again, even that isn't 100% accurate and is very subject to variance.

Hashrate = Blocks solved × Network Difficulty × 2^32 / time in Seconds


If you take Foundry Pool as an example, they found 23 blocks in the last 100 blocks; that's 192 EH. However, their estimated or reported hashrate is 250 EH, which means without variance they should have solved about 29 blocks, so they are short 6 blocks. Since hashrate is a function of time, Foundry can claim they own 500 EH but it doesn't matter. The truth of the matter is their hashrate for the last 100 blocks is 192 EH as far as the blockchain is concerned.




 
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After that math:
Hashrate =  (blocks solved in last 24 hrs / 144) * difficulty * 2^32 ) / 600

So you get that last rolling 24 hours of hashrate.
Not it's not perfect, but it's close enough.


I would argue it's not even close enough. See, if you run a 144-sample on the Erlang distribution function, you would see how variance is very likely at numbers you might have thought were not possible. For example, there is a 26% chance that the network finds 5% or fewer blocks, this happens once every 4 times. That's a lot. There's about a 40% chance that the network finds 2% fewer blocks, all without a single miner dropping out of the network. Almost a 10% chance exists for 90% of blocks or more. So it's very likely that you look at the charts or the RPC calls and think, "Oh, the hashrate today dropped by 10%," when it has not.

The point I am trying to make here is that nobody knows what the hashrate is -- it's all just guesswork using the best tools we have at our disposal. You look at the chart posted above, it's a perfect representation of variance. These tools use the same logic you mentioned: assume the network should find x blocks per n period, and then make assumptions based only on that factor. Since they apply this on a small timeframe, like hourly and daily, the results are far off. We don't actually get 50 EH drops daily -- it's not possible, it's just variance.

Now, if we were to take the entire epoch of 2016 blocks and the difficulty drop we witnessed, the numbers would differ a lot. The drop was 7.4%, which is huge. The chances of that happening are just 0.02%. While that still is a possibility, it's more likely that some serious hashrate went offline during that epoch. Of course, it's by no means 7.4% worth of actual hashrate -- because, for all we know, it could be just 3% worth of hashrate and the rest is just variance, which is expected to happen at 3%. Or maybe it's a 4% drop and 3% variance, which is 8% likely.

Was this a large mining farm in Iran or a few large Texas players throttling back for the summer heat? We don't know what we don't know -- but we know that, based on statistics and probability, there was (very likely) a large shutdown somewhere in the ecosystem.

I would like to know that. I thought you could see the hashrate somewhere in real time but all reports seem to have days of lag and so the chart is seem to be made off single daily points..

Hashrate is just a theory; nobody knows what the total hashrate is. In reality, no pool knows their hashrate with 100% accuracy. When a miner connects to a pool, the pool will try to "figure out" its hashrate based on the shares they submit at a given pool difficulty, and even then, the hashrate isn't exactly as it is on the actual miner. If you are wondering about a pool's hashrate, then there are two ways to figure that out.

1. The reported hashrate:

Many pools report their hashrate (again, based on the shares their miners submit). this could be inaccurate and misleading since the pool can report a lower number to show a better luck status or report a larger number to show dominance. It's hard to verify and pretty useless unless you are sure the pool operated is somewhat honest

2. How many blocks do they find at x difficulty?

This is the most accurate way since the difficulty is a part of the blockchain; it's public info and can be verified fairly easily. If you have time, difficulty, and number of blocks, you can calculate (or rather estimate) hashrate, but again, even that isn't 100% accurate and is very subject to variance.

Hashrate = Blocks solved × Network Difficulty × 2^32 / time in Seconds


If you take Foundry Pool as an example, they found 23 blocks in the last 100 blocks; that's 192 EH. However, their estimated or reported hashrate is 250 EH, which means without variance they should have solved about 29 blocks, so they are short 6 blocks. Since hashrate is a function of time, Foundry can claim they own 500 EH but it doesn't matter. The truth of the matter is their hashrate for the last 100 blocks is 192 EH as far as the blockchain is concerned.





Yeah last jump that drop is very likley Texas summer heat shutdown because it lasted for 2 weeks in the 7-9% drop each day.

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July 03, 2025, 06:04:54 AM
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So someone came up with the idea of Iran being a miner of Bitcoin because as we have recently seen, when the bombing campaign started we say hashrate go down by a lot. It was reported that around a 27% crash in hashrate was registered this weekend. Im not sure how oftne hashrate charts are updated, im using the one in bitinfocharts and it still shows a crash. I assume it will go up again as we saw the price go up. So my question is: Do you buy on this theory? Or is this just simple hashrate following price?
I prefer for Robert Warren's opinion, stating that Iran is not one of the causes of the hashrate drop, and he stated that it was also influenced by the high temperature conditions in the US and there are still other possible causes that are still unknown. This is also supported by Renaud Cuny's (substantiated) opinion, and Daniel Batten's opinion "that record-high temperatures in Texas drove up electricity demand on the ERCOT power grid, forcing miners to scale down operations to prevent overload".






 
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