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Hello BitcoinTalk! Since over a year now, we have been working on building up the AGORA – a Bitcoin-only, peer-to-peer marketplace that live in the realms of Stacker.news. We inherit the idea and since then we have been taking care of growing it, ensuring and structuring the various functionalities to be available for those merchants, private sellers and buyers that aim to trade freely, without intermediaries, fees, and friction. 📣You can experience it here: https://stacker.news/~AGORA📙 All the Tutorials, Guidelines, Tips & Tricks here: https://stacker.news/items/942038 What's possible now:The main idea was to use existing posting functionalities to advertise and share listings and classifieds posts, ideally introducing the idea of Ad-posts type in the stacker.news platform. I cannot negate, that the BitcoinTalk > Marketplace has been inspiring us, providing with solid references to grow the idea with. Specifically for the AGORA, here are the current list of available posts we have structured, the user simply needs to add a [TAG] in the title that allows the community to identify the type of ad shared: - [⚖️ SELL] your stuff. - [🛒 BUY] stuff for sats. - [🧑💻 HIRE]some stuff or skills. - [🖇 OFFER] something. - [🧑⚖️ AUCTION]s at your own discretion. Dutch? - [🤝 SWAP] Peer to Peer. - You could also give it for [🆓 FREE], ideal for giveaway or gifts. - Start your own [SHOPFRONT] or simply... - [⭐ REVIEW] anything What we are working on:We realize this is still an early stage idea, we miss a lot of functionalities SN is not able to offer, and we never know it will. The whole idea could have the potential to fail, depending on how we structure and maintain it. But again, BitcoinTalk Marketplace has demonstrated that this idea could live in other forum too, so we will continue working to increase our trust within the community, and ensure stackers can trade safely and anonymously with Bitcoin, P2P, as it supposed to be! Future improvements: - Ensure and educate users to communicate anonymously, ideally using nostr protocol messages clients or other encrypted messaging systems. - Provide an optional on-request escrow service that can help build trust and safeguard buyers and sellers when required. - Promotion and presence in other social media and platforms, helping people anywhere to discover and learn more about bitcoin, privacy and how to trade P2P What else are we missing? Will be great to hear your opinion. And if there's any BitcoinTalk Marketplace moderator reading this, your feedback and insights would be much appreciated and valuable. 👉 Try AGORA now & share feedback below:https://stacker.news/~AGORALet’s Build the Future of Bitcoin CommerceAGORA isn’t just a marketplace – it’s a community focusing in business, commerce best practices following bitcoin values and ethos. An economy experiment. Your input will shape its evolution. Rip it apart, stress-test it, and tell us how to make it bulletproof! Questions? Critiques? Wild ideas? → Reply below! We’re all ears. Stay humble, stack sats! The AGORA Builders  |
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Are you guys related to the Agoradesk team by any chance?
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Are you guys related to the Agoradesk team by any chance?
Not at all, the ancient name and the fact that we both run a marketplace is the only common thing we share I guess! Our idea is to enable trade of any kind, Agoradesk was specifically a peer-to-peer cryptocurrency OTC desk. So much different idea. |
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Why did you post onion link for your website when it is not working? http://snsnsnya6h3ot563f3p566wuhfoklkg5f62hokdlaqzcaub3gf4xlxyd.onion/ I don't use stacker news and I don't want to create new accounts just for testing Agora marketplace. I see that forum is connected with Lightning Network, and I don't support that project. |
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Thanks for your feedback. I totally understand your concerns. I did not share any onion link, where have you found it? SN website footer? It is currently known that the onion link is not working as expected, is actually simply mirroring the current site as plain HTML, which is fine for read only, but you can't sigin, post anything or give merits. The team is working on it and hopefully will be available soon via Tor.
Regarding the lightning network, that is simply one of the options, you can still join SN and don't touch lighting at all. Sign in could be done anonymously with nostr keys (and nos2x browser extension) and a VPN to protect your IP.
The AGORA is simply a place to share offers and post ads, and talk about private and honorable business and commerce, exactly like the Marketplace does here in BitcoinTalk. Payments need to be dealt P2P, outside the platform. We are planning to offer optional escrow service for those of us that want to trade with peace of mind.
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This has the potential to age well (as all P2P creations do). My feedback is that more effort needs to be made on the ui/ux. Without looking at this thread, I'd have assumed it was a reddit-style board more than it is a marketplace. I also did not want to create an account, it would be much better to be able to see more of the functionality in action as a guest before being forced to setup an account, and generally I think that if guests can see more of the functionality before being require to setup an account, willingness to set one up increases. Just my 2 sats. Good luck with the project!  |
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This has the potential to age well (as all P2P creations do). My feedback is that more effort needs to be made on the ui/ux. Without looking at this thread, I'd have assumed it was a reddit-style board more than it is a marketplace. I also did not want to create an account, it would be much better to be able to see more of the functionality in action as a guest before being forced to setup an account, and generally I think that if guests can see more of the functionality before being require to setup an account, willingness to set one up increases. Just my 2 sats. Good luck with the project! Your 2 sats are much appreciated! Thank you for stopping by, take a look and provide your feedback. True is that for now the marketplace is hosted as part of the SN platform and there's not much we can customize. However, all the posts and functionalities are visible for guests as for registered users. The only difference is that guests/anons pay x102 the fees a registered user would for posting and commenting. Registered users could also receive sats from community zaps if a wallet is attached. For trading within the AGORA this does not matter much, as the payments for goods and services advertised could be managed out f the platform itself, this is at the discretion of buyers and sellers. This makes me realize that in reality, there are not many functionalities to be offered apart to posting and commenting on threads. And that's what's required for trading. To incentivize and make users more confident, we are also learning (especially from the marketplace here in BT) how an escrow service could be offered from trusted members. We are also letting users know about external platforms services like coibin, useful to orchestrate a trade with fewer risks. |
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For trading within the AGORA this does not matter much, as the payments for goods and services advertised could be managed out f the platform itself, this is at the discretion of buyers ad sellers. This makes me realize that in reality, there are not many functionalities to be offered apart to posting and commenting on threads. And that's what's required for trading.
Nice to see more creatives around. However i want to ask what's the difference between Agora and bitcointalk Marketplace section. I know that BTT is the most active space for crypto trades/deals because of forum popularity + other forum features enabling fast and reliable deals. How you plan to compete with BTT forum? I think this is a major question to qualify your service. Do you plan to make ads here? Will never be surprised as we saw another forum promoting itself using promotional campaigns in another forum (here in btt and other forum lunched by Yobit scam exchange). |
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Nice to see more creatives around. However i want to ask what's the difference between Agora and bitcointalk Marketplace section. I know that BTT is the most active space for crypto trades/deals because of forum popularity + other forum features enabling fast and reliable deals. How you plan to compete with BTT forum? I think this is a major question to qualify your service. Do you plan to make ads here? Will never be surprised as we saw another forum promoting itself using promotional campaigns in another forum (here in btt and other forum lunched by Yobit scam exchange).
Never thought about advertising here, it could be an option! I personally don't see it as a competition, more a collaboration, as I assume we are all driven by same values and have the same mission: allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution (govt included). I jump in BTT because I know there are plenty of experienced traders and people around here we could learn from. Especially on how to build trust and how to make a marketplace successful. Community management and moderation best practices are another of those skills we aim to master. If I need t think abut differentiating pints between SN and BTT, then the majors important ones are; - No need to create a SN account: Users can posts anonymously (at a cost) - Pay2Post drastically reduce spam posts and automated bots, even with symbolic amount of 1 sat per comment - Community moderation offer the benefits to make more visible posts that have been upvoted (with zaps) and less visible posts that have been downvoted (downzap = pay to push visibility down) - Different moderation approach that tend to lower visibility of spammy/scummy posts instead of censoring and deleting. Content stay, it just less visible or not visible at all if it has low community reputation. |
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Nice to see more creatives around. However i want to ask what's the difference between Agora and bitcointalk Marketplace section. I know that BTT is the most active space for crypto trades/deals because of forum popularity + other forum features enabling fast and reliable deals. How you plan to compete with BTT forum? I think this is a major question to qualify your service. Do you plan to make ads here? Will never be surprised as we saw another forum promoting itself using promotional campaigns in another forum (here in btt and other forum lunched by Yobit scam exchange).
Never thought about advertising here, it could be an option! I personally don't see it as a competition, more a collaboration, as I assume we are all driven by same values and have the same mission: allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a
financial institution (govt included). I jump in BTT because I know there are plenty of experienced traders and people around here we could learn from. Especially on how to build trust and how to make a marketplace successful. Community management and moderation best practices are another of those skills we aim to master. If I need t think abut differentiating pints between SN and BTT, then the majors important ones are; - No need to create a SN account: Users can posts anonymously (at a cost) - Pay2Post drastically reduce spam posts and automated bots, even with symbolic amount of 1 sat per comment - Community moderation offer the benefits to make more visible posts that have been upvoted (with zaps) and less visible posts that have been downvoted (downzap = pay to push visibility down) - Different moderation approach that tend to lower visibility of spammy/scummy posts instead of censoring and deleting. Content stay, it just less visible or not visible at all if it has low community reputation. It's a little bit different from Btt approach but i still see bitcointalk model more convinient. I would like to comment some of the hints you mentioned: - No need to create a SN account: Users can posts anonymously (at a cost) Bitcointalk is psydoanonymous (i guess SN also collect navigation data so it's not fully anonymous) and all you need is a new fresh email (to not link with your official one) and you can start posting without any cost. - Pay2Post drastically reduce spam posts and automated bots, even with symbolic amount of 1 sat per comment Totally the opposite. The pay-per-post model encourage spam especially with low rates. Never compare it to btc paid signature campaigns because managers care hiring quality posters, but i suggest you visit the "Bounties" sub-board and see mashrooming spam which even forum mods find it difficult (almost impossible) to fight especially the altcoins board. You can also check a spammy forum called Cryptotalk used pay-per-post just to advertise Yobit exchange. (Not sure if it still running) - Community moderation offer the benefits to make more visible posts that have been upvoted (with zaps) and less visible posts that have been downvoted (downzap = pay to push visibility down) I suggest you compare it with the merit system here. There is no downzap=downvote here, just merit points for quality contributions. If you don't like a poster, just ignore it. If you think a post is spam or low quality, just report it to mods. |
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Any P2P platform or exchange that supports privacy is always welcome in this space. Just curious, why did you choose to build the project on Stacker News instead of launching it on your own domain? I’m actually new to Stacker News myself. Also, just a heads-up, please avoid using link shorteners, as it goes against the forum rules. ...I know that BTT is the most active space for crypto trades/deals because of forum popularity + other forum features enabling fast and reliable deals.
I don't think this forum currency exchange (board) deals are comparable to any crypto P2P platforms in terms of number of transactions to become most active from crypto deals. |
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Any P2P platform or exchange that supports privacy is always welcome in this space. Just curious, why did you choose to build the project on Stacker News instead of launching it on your own domain? I’m actually new to Stacker News myself.
I, we have tried multiple times before on building a marketplace from zero, what we have struggled with was the community and trust aspect, that obviously needs time to build up. We saw an opportunity to build something in an existing niche community that has, and still, a pure bitcoin spirit that embrace its values and ethos. Also, just a heads-up, please avoid using link shorteners, as it goes against the forum rules.
Thank you very much, there's no tracking it was just a need to shorten it for other contexts. I'll replace it with the extended link as soon as possible, I don't think this forum currency exchange (board) deals are comparable to any crypto P2P platforms in terms of number of transactions to become most active from crypto deals.
I'm comparing it with the marketplace board, we are not really interested in supporting or promoting crypto or currency exchange, there are others that do it pretty well already. We focus more on the P2P aspect and the detail of teaching people how to safely trade in the private. |
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It's a little bit different from Btt approach but i still see bitcointalk model more convinient. I would like to comment some of the hints you mentioned: - No need to create a SN account: Users can posts anonymously (at a cost) Bitcointalk is psydoanonymous (i guess SN also collect navigation data so it's not fully anonymous) and all you need is a new fresh email (to not link with your official one) and you can start posting without any cost. Yes correct, I think is moore we need to agree on the terminology. What I meant is that SN offers both options: - full anonymity when posting as @anon (I guess only IP is tracked in this case) no email no any type of registration required (I assume this is not possible with BTT) - partial anonymity as SN offers multiple ways to create an account (Lightning-LNURL, Nostr protocol keys signature) - psydoanonymously when, as here, one register an account using an external registered account, that could be email address or X/twitter and a nym (psydoanonymous) - However, SN from my understanding does not store much user data, everything is cached and encripted in the browser cache (take this with a grain of salt - can't verify myself, just read about that in the meta forum itself) - Pay2Post drastically reduce spam posts and automated bots, even with symbolic amount of 1 sat per comment Totally the opposite. The pay-per-post model encourage spam especially with low rates. Never compare it to btc paid signature campaigns because managers care hiring quality posters, but i suggest you visit the "Bounties" sub-board and see mashrooming spam which even forum mods find it difficult (almost impossible) to fight especially the altcoins board. You can also check a spammy forum called Cryptotalk used pay-per-post just to advertise Yobit exchange. (Not sure if it still running) Thak you for sharing your opinion. It's obvious that your experience can tell much more of what users in SN currently believe (myself included). This change my perspective thought ad I agree where there's honey, there are bees but also teddy bears. How strong will be the bees to protect the honey? It 's really good to know this has, and still, been experienced here in BTT already. We definitely have plenty still to learn. - Community moderation offer the benefits to make more visible posts that have been upvoted (with zaps) and less visible posts that have been downvoted (downzap = pay to push visibility down) I suggest you compare it with the merit system here. There is no downzap=downvote here, just merit points for quality contributions. If you don't like a poster, just ignore it. If you think a post is spam or low quality, just report it to mods. I probably agree with you on this as well. What I noticed is that power can be used maliciously in SN as the voice of users with more "weight" (acquired over time with strategy learning from the code) can be more beneficial and literally profitable for those same malicious users. There's still a lot to learn on how the system works. Not everyone is able to read between the lines of the open source code! From our perspective, we are just operating as moderator of the AGORA territory, the marketplace. We aim to learn and operate it ethically and provide as much education for users to avoid being screw by scammers. I feel BTT is a good place to learn about the challenges that have been presented in past 14 years, and having conversations with users like you, that has been around for long time, help us learn faster how to behave here, but also how to bring this knowledge in other platforms. |
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It's a little bit different from Btt approach but i still see bitcointalk model more convinient. I would like to comment some of the hints you mentioned: - No need to create a SN account: Users can posts anonymously (at a cost) Bitcointalk is psydoanonymous (i guess SN also collect navigation data so it's not fully anonymous) and all you need is a new fresh email (to not link with your official one) and you can start posting without any cost. Yes correct, I think is moore we need to agree on the terminology. What I meant is that SN offers both options: - full anonymity when posting as @anon (I guess only IP is tracked in this case) no email no any type of registration required (I assume this is not possible with BTT) - partial anonymity as SN offers multiple ways to create an account (Lightning-LNURL, Nostr protocol keys signature) - psydoanonymously when, as here, one register an account using an external registered account, that could be email address or X/twitter and a nym (psydoanonymous) - However, SN from my understanding does not store much user data, everything is cached and encripted in the browser cache (take this with a grain of salt - can't verify myself, just read about that in the meta forum itself) But let's just think. Do we really need this level of anonymity to join/use a crypto-based service? It's not a mi-xer by all means unless you plan to assist trades of illegal stuff. I can use a fresh new email address to join an active well-known marketplace and make deals instead of join anonymously a new Marketplace which is still hasn't that popularity to find all what you need as a trader. Also your anonymity will always be partial even if you can post without registration because making trading deals would require to partially breach you privacy as you may share payment addresses or residency address or other personal contact info like telegram or whatsup. Do we really need such a level of anonymity? From our perspective, we are just operating as moderator of the AGORA territory, the marketplace. We aim to learn and operate it ethically and provide as much education for users to avoid being screw by scammers. I feel BTT is a good place to learn about the challenges that have been presented in past 14 years, and having conversations with users like you, that has been around for long time, help us learn faster how to behave here, but also how to bring this knowledge in other platforms.
You should have a general understanding of how you plan to run a crypto-based Marketplace and be specific in what kinds of trades you aim to cover. See bitcointalk Marketplace, there is sections gor all kind of deals Collectibles/Goods/Digital goods/Services/Currency exchange and much more. Each section has expert members who assist all kind of deals even sometimes without an escrow garantee. I suggest you spend as much time as you can here and resume what and how you want to run this kind of services. Not that we didn't yet talk about scammers and bad people. |
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Do we really need such a level of anonymity?
Well, id does make a difference having the option! An one thing is to disclose your private info to a centralized db, another is to disclose it to one person or two that you need to deal with to complete the trade. I guess SN is simply exploring options and trying to accommodate everyone's needs. You should have a general understanding of how you plan to run a crypto-based Marketplace and be specific in what kinds of trades you aim to cover. See bitcointalk Marketplace, there is sections gor all kind of deals Collectibles/Goods/Digital goods/Services/Currency exchange and much more. Each section has expert members who assist all kind of deals even sometimes without an escrow garantee. I suggest you spend as much time as you can here and resume what and how you want to run this kind of services. Not that we didn't yet talk about scammers and bad people.
Thank you for the advice, each section has probably something to teach us. We might have then the wrong approach? We are monitoring what users are aiming to trade and adapt consequently. I assume BT marketplace has been evolving the same way? Or have these categories and subtopics been defined by the original mods since the beginning, deciding what users are allowed to trade and what is not? |
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