Children in Gaza are dying of starvations - faemine and starvation rampart

[DaRude]

how many people have hamas killed in one day. how many kids on that same day, .. now compare that to how many IDF troops they hit on that day...
pick any day where you think IDF have cause more death/damage./harm in any one day.. compare the stats

also its urban warfare the collateral:combatant ratio of all urban warfare situations have a very bad representation of civilian kills. especially in cases where a side tells its civilians not to leave the area
numbers get better when warnings are given and people do move out of the urban area

again guess who is giving warnings and guess who keeps telling citizens not to move/leave
..
as for the number of deaths you have not even tried to work out the ratio. of whom is truly unrelated to supporting hamas vs those that support/are hamas


if your shouting that leaving a urban warfare situation to find safety is classed as "genocide" then you are backward about pretty much everything

hamas want martyrs, hamas want genocide. its motto is "death to israel, death to america".. hamas leader sinwar that orchestrated october 7th 2023 has his own messages "palestinian deaths are a necessary sacrifice."

hamas dont send warnings when they want to do incursions in a town and take over civilian infrastructure.. hamas dont even try to reduce collateral damage

as for you endlessly saying hamas dont employ women

Hamas Political Bureau member Jamila Al-Shanti was martyred after occupation aircraft bombed her home in Gaza City.

Medical sources reported that the 68-year-old was killed today after a bombing by Israeli occupation aircraft at dawn on her home in Gaza.

Al-Shanti (Um Abdullah) founded the women’s wing of the Hamas movement in Gaza and was the first female member of the political bureau.

...
In 2006, she was elected as a member of the Legislative Council for the Hamas Change and Reform bloc.

In 2013, Al-Shanti was appointed Minister of Women in the Hamas government that was governing the Gaza Strip at the time.

Al-Shanti’s name became prominent on 3 November 2006 when a women’s march that she led succeeded in breaking a siege imposed by the occupation army on a mosque in the town of Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip.

Three days later, her house was bombed by Israeli planes, resulting in the death of her sister-in-law, Nahla Al-Shanti, and two other people.

She was the widow of Hamas co-founder Abdel Aziz Al-Rantisi.

and all you will say "she just a woman" "she just elderly" "she just innocent"
try to realise she actually heads a group that recruit women into hamas

let me guess.. you want to say the other hamas leader sinwar who was taken out in 2024.. you wanna say
"he was unarmed.. he just elderly, he just sat on a sofa, he just innocent"

there are many many thousands of examples where what you pretend are innocent, actually have a more meaningful role which benefits hamas

Ahh you must be getting quiet desperate to now resolve to looking at arbitrary time frame. Don't look holistically at what's happened over last 2 years, instead just concentrate on a single 1,440 minute time frame from 2 years ago, because that's the only thing left that would help my argument  

But but but October 7th. Yes there was a terrorist attack on Israel and in that one single day there were more Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinians, but it no way justifies the genocide that followed in the next 700+ days. Both things can be evil at the same time, but the scale of one of them dwarfs the other.

Once again, warnings don't matter, the end result of killing more innocent civilians than combatants does.

"as for the number of deaths you have not even tried to work out the ratio. of whom is truly unrelated to supporting hamas vs those that support/are hamas"
Geneva convention and UN courts only care about civilians and combatants, who was rooting for whom or who is truly related and unrelated to whom is irrelevant to genocide and war crimes proceedings. The only thing that matters are combatants and civilians and their ratio. But you can continue making up stories about HAMAS babies attacking IDF soldiers all day long, they are quiet entertaining and i'd love to hear Israel try use that defense in front of a UN judge. "Your honor, but the highest casualties children's age group of 5 to 9 year olds got plenty of warning before we murdered them, thus it's totally not our fault"  

UN committed found that Israel committed 4 out of 5 possible acts of genocide (and one act is enough to classify it as a genocide), i understand that it's hard for you to accept and process, so instead you block it off and pretend that just like you, it's just me making stuff up about genocide. But sooner or later you must face it.

I can repeat myself over and over, HAMAS actions however horrible they might be, is not a valid justification for Israel's genocide of innocent civilians.

Try providing a source next time, first of all being a member of the political bureau doesn't automatically make her a combatant. And like i said i'm sure there are exceptions everywhere, so you found one, great, now what about the other 9,734 women murdered?

[ODG001]

This is so pitiful. No child/children deserve to die at tender age, especially not through starvation. The situation of children in Gaza is so worrisome

About a week ago I came across a video of a child who was crushed as a result of stampede when a descending load of food which was being sent down from a plane as part of UN aid was being rushed into a van for medical attention. I couldn't hold my tear drops, you can imagine a child having severe casualty while struggling to survive indefinite starvation

They're living the consequences of decisions they didn't make, never took part in and might have not even been born when they were made. No child deserves to go through this irrespective of religion, tribe or race.

[franky1]

But but but October 7th. Yes there was a terrorist attack on Israel and in that one single day there were more Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinians, but it no way justifies the genocide that followed in the next 700+ days. Both things can be evil at the same time, but the scale of one of them dwarfs the other.

and in 700 days there are STILL over 2m people.. so not "mass genocide"
you then are the one that then mentions single attacks but you do so without the context

you say "5 people taken out.. its genocide" without knowing those 5 are actually affiliated with the intended target by being weapons couriers thus actualy part of the combatant category

you say "5 people taken out.. its genocide" without knowing those 5 are actually collateral caught up in the attack because hamas coerced them into becoming human shields/martyrs where by IDF sent warnings to 100 other people to escape to safety to mitigate the risks down from 105 down to 5. whereby 2-3 of the 5 were combatants where they would have been linked to hundreds of other deaths in other events so needed to be dealt with as a proportionality decision. and the others were not the intended target, so not genocide

you dont want to talk about context or detail nor intent/motive of certain attack as it invoves you having to mention negatives about hamas.. something you refuse to ever consider or mention or want to highlight

Once again, warnings don't matter, the end result of killing more innocent civilians than combatants does.

again learn the word "urban warfare" in comparison to "desert warfare" as to the difference of collateral risk..
its urban warfare because hamas are cowards and intentionally use urban area's to hide in, they are putting civilians at risk hoping IDF wont fire.. hamas dont go on tour in baron lands outside the city, they dont go out to defend the borders, they dont move away from the city. they instead hide in the city using the cities for their lawfare tricks. they use human shields by the dozens of thousands over the ~720 days. hamas dont tell civilians to move away from hamas occupied structures, hamas dont want people to move away.

but IDF do send warnings to minimise collateral so that they can take out hamas. IDF does look at the proportionality details and context of their strategy

and before you try to downplay how many hamas are taken out to pretend its all civilians.. actually try do open your eyes look at the context and strategies used and realise that its not all civilians nor even a majority.
again realise hamas use their own families as martyrs. the deaths of most civilians have context.. context YOU never care to read about in your clickbait. all you care about is the buzzwords. however courts do look for the evidence, context and mitigating circumstances

"as for the number of deaths you have not even tried to work out the ratio. of whom is truly unrelated to supporting hamas vs those that support/are hamas"
Geneva convention and UN courts only care about civilians and combatants, who was rooting for whom or who is truly related and unrelated to whom is irrelevant to genocide and war crimes proceedings. The only thing that matters are combatants and civilians and their ratio.

you are wrong
you have no idea how courts work. they actually look for the evidence and question the motives/intent and such. they look at the mitigating circumstances, they look at if citizens were even given a chance to move away, were they warned, were they even the intended target

UN can have zealous members that make claims and accusations using buzzwords they are spoonfed by clickbait media. but in proper investigations independently and for actual court proceedings, the detail and context matters.

analogy:
you are the type of idiot that would believe bitcoinBSV was bitcoin because media buzzwords promoted it as "bitcoin". you dont care about how its a different faction(fork). you dont care about how its leader messes with its code and practices to harm its community. you dont care how it just plays media to win fame and indocrinate idiots into siding with them.. you just want people to believe that bitcoin BSV is the better bitcoin

[FinneysTrueVision]

a family of settlers.. bought a house, bought a car, had work in the area, kids went to school in the area.. oh wait they must be violent because of their race.. ok got it your racist

Zionists settling on Palestinian lands aren’t peaceful economic migrants. They are religious extremists who want to ethnically cleanse the area. Settlers are doing much worse than throwing rocks. They are setting property on fire, stealing land, breaking into homes, beating and killing people. Your logic would be to accuse people of racism against whites for saying the KKK terrorized black people in Reconstruction era southern U.S. states.

I am glad to see that there is at least talk about how to end this conflict finally.  Trump appears to be pushing back on Israel, which I love to see.  Even Trump's political opponents are teasing that he deserves a medal if he can pull this off.  I personally think that most of the world's conflicts could be easily resolved if that was the goal, but unfortunately war is just too profitable for that to be the goal of most involved.  Just look at Ukraine...  So long as Zelensky can continue buying yachts, I doubt that war will ever end.

The last time they were close to an agreement, Israel bombed Qatar and tried to kill all the negotiators. It’s hard to believe Israel is acting in good faith and this isn’t all just theatre. The proposal could be full of poison pills that they know will kill the deal so they can blame Hamas leaders and use it to justify escalating their actions.

[franky1]

a family of settlers.. bought a house, bought a car, had work in the area, kids went to school in the area.. oh wait they must be violent because of their race.. ok got it your racist

Zionists settling on Palestinian lands aren’t peaceful economic migrants. They are religious extremists who want to ethnically cleanse the area. Settlers are doing much worse than throwing rocks. They are setting property on fire, stealing land, breaking into homes, beating and killing people. Your logic would be to accuse people of racism against whites for saying the KKK terrorized black people in Reconstruction era southern U.S. states.

"cleanse the area".. so 2 years on and the population numbers of palestinians are zero?.. um no. they population numbers are not even in the realms of any 'cleansing'

as for "zionist" and "settler" you really have no clue
did you know that for only 25 years out of thousands of years an area BRITAIN branded as "palestine" was not actually run by palestinians but run by the brits..
and that small temporary brand ended before 1950

since 1948 the area was ISRAEL the area before the 1920's had israelis and jews and that went far far back to the kingdoms of israelites and judeans
so "palestine" does not really have long history nor sovereignty. the claim of westbank is a flimsy claim, however a stronger provenance claim would be that of gaza(filistia)
..learn your history!!
palestinians have a flimsy claim ancient provenance claim old jordan area, due to annan being philadelphia along time ago.. so although annan is not in westbank but instead east of the river. palestinians have a better claim over jordan, but weak claim of the westbank

however israeli's actually gave in and removed themselves from gaxa decades ago hoping to create lasting peace in gaza(but hamas ruined that)
as for westbank. israeli's are trying to co-exist with palestinians, but palestinians are pretending they have true ancient claim of it all..
israeli's actually were the ones that drew the green line and gave them the 2 state option 75 years ago and then reinforced the lines in the 1960's with the two armistice agreements.. but at each attempt of peacedeals of statehood, treaties, accords, truces, cease fires, it is always been the jihadi agitators that declined the deals

secondly zionism was settled in 1948. done deal, complete. end of. the pursuit is over. so trying to use the word now is stupid. there is no search/pursuit of a jewish home.. they have it already, the pursuit is over. so the word is now meaningless
you only use it because you only see media use it, you have to learn some history and release your faults

if you want to look at modern history.. the arab jihadi terrorists are not innocent. they too have done their atrocities in lots of factions over alot of time and in the short term of modern history too.

as for your KKK analogy..
well if you want a better analogy if you want to go with a concept where you believe a ethnicity owns the land and settlers took over.. you would use the black south africans wanting to kill white south africans for "settling".. where the white SA want to coexist but the black SA want white SA eradicated

The last time they were close to an agreement, Israel bombed Qatar and tried to kill all the negotiators. It’s hard to believe Israel is acting in good faith and this isn’t all just theatre. The proposal could be full of poison pills that they know will kill the deal so they can blame Hamas leaders and use it to justify escalating their actions.

actually hams pulled out.. and done so on hamas owned teritory which is what israel targeted
if you know how sovereign property works of diplomatic land of things like embassies. you would learn that israel did not hit qatar territory but hamas territory
its like you want to mention west bank, which is a special greenline territory within israel.. .. so was israel striking "within israel" when it hits westbank.. or was it hitting westbank.. your naive view would be to say israel took over israel land when it targeted [west bank] israel. because you dont want to recognise territory within territory diplomatic's


you cant pretend to recognise special territory agreements in one place but ignore them in another..
learn the context of battle. israel struck hamas territory within a greater qatar area. but it did not strike qatar itself. it struck hamas territory

the reason. because israel thought the hamas leaders were on that land and it was the only chance that they believed these leaders raised their heads above ground to be targeted, especially when hamas declined the agreement that day.. negotiations were not proceeding positively. hamas were not looking for peace. israel striking hamas at that time did not cause hamas to decline an offer made that day. they declined the offer before the attack

but yet again you have failed to even use the word hamas in any negative, truthful way of what hamas has done wrong.. and its getting real obvious

[FinneysTrueVision]

secondly zionism was settled in 1948. done deal, complete. end of. the pursuit is over. so trying to use the word now is stupid. there is no search/pursuit of a jewish home.. they have it already, the pursuit is over. so the word is now meaningless

Many Jews and non-Jews call themselves proud Zionists. Even Joe Biden said he is a Zionist. It’s a very common term used by those that support Israel’s most radical policies.

as for your KKK analogy..
well if you want a better analogy if you want to go with a concept where you believe a ethnicity owns the land and settlers tok over.. you would use the black south africans wanting to kill white south africans for "settling".. where the white SA want to coexist but the black SA want them eradicated

If you were talking about apartheid South Africa, you could possibly make an analogy comparing the plight of black South Africans to that of current day Palestinians. In the context of modern South Africa, your statement is total nonsense. The white genocide narrative has been thoroughly debunked, and only far right incels really believe that BS.

You must be really bitter that South Africans have boycotted Israeli products and have expressed solidarity with Palestinians. South Africa brought the genocide case against Israel in the ICC, that is why you are spreading lies against black South Africans.

Rather than disproving my point, you reinforced it.

[franky1]

secondly zionism was settled in 1948. done deal, complete. end of. the pursuit is over. so trying to use the word now is stupid. there is no search/pursuit of a jewish home.. they have it already, the pursuit is over. so the word is now meaningless

Many Jews and non-Jews call themselves proud Zionists. Even Joe Biden said he is a Zionist. It’s a very common term used by those that support Israel’s most radical policies.

as for your KKK analogy..
well if you want a better analogy if you want to go with a concept where you believe a ethnicity owns the land and settlers tok over.. you would use the black south africans wanting to kill white south africans for "settling".. where the white SA want to coexist but the black SA want them eradicated

If you were talking about apartheid South Africa, you could possibly make an analogy comparing the plight of black South Africans to that of current day Palestinians. In the context of modern South Africa, your statement is total nonsense. The white genocide narrative has been thoroughly debunked, and only far right incels really believe that BS.

You must be really bitter that South Africans have boycotted Israeli products and have expressed solidarity with Palestinians. South Africa brought the genocide case against Israel in the ICC, that is why you are spreading lies against black South Africans.

Rather than disproving my point, you reinforced it.

i have no problems with palestinians.. my issues are with hamas.. you know the people to adore and defend and afraid to talk negatively about
until you can distinguish the difference you will remain sounding silly

as for the modern issue in SA where you, the whole point is that there is no genocide, its about settler battles and who thinks who gets to live somewhere..
again you are trying to call it genocide.. you are exaggerating again. and that again is where you are failing to understand disputes and turning it into things its not
white SA want to co-exist. black SA think whites are "settlers" so are disputing and fighting, but not a genocide matter.. though you keep trying to bring the word genocide into it
again you make yourself sound silly

so that makes you an incel by your own over use of the word genocide

anyways once hamas are out of gaza.. who are you going to idolise and defend next.. once there is peace who are you left to cry about and ass kiss..
will you finally wake up and be open to discuss hamas's bad acts once they have no power over you. or will you advocate that hamas should remain and still have military power to fight/attack israeli's

will you want co-existance or still want israelis to be removed from the middle east

lets see your response, will you reveal your racism?

[DaRude]

But but but October 7th. Yes there was a terrorist attack on Israel and in that one single day there were more Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinians, but it no way justifies the genocide that followed in the next 700+ days. Both things can be evil at the same time, but the scale of one of them dwarfs the other.

and in 700 days there are STILL over 2m people.. so not "mass genocide"
you then are the one that then mentions single attacks but you do so without the context

you say "5 people taken out.. its genocide" without knowing those 5 are actually affiliated with the intended target by being weapons couriers thus actualy part of the combatant category

you say "5 people taken out.. its genocide" without knowing those 5 are actually collateral caught up in the attack because hamas coerced them into becoming human shields/martyrs where by IDF sent warnings to 100 other people to escape to safety to mitigate the risks down from 105 down to 5. whereby 2-3 of the 5 were combatants where they would have been linked to hundreds of other deaths in other events so needed to be dealt with as a proportionality decision. and the others were not the intended target, so not genocide

you dont want to talk about context or detail nor intent/motive of certain attack as it invoves you having to mention negatives about hamas.. something you refuse to ever consider or mention or want to highlight

Once again, warnings don't matter, the end result of killing more innocent civilians than combatants does.

again learn the word "urban warfare" in comparison to "desert warfare" as to the difference of collateral risk..
its urban warfare because hamas are cowards and intentionally use urban area's to hide in, they are putting civilians at risk hoping IDF wont fire.. hamas dont go on tour in baron lands outside the city, they dont go out to defend the borders, they dont move away from the city. they instead hide in the city using the cities for their lawfare tricks. they use human shields by the dozens of thousands over the ~720 days. hamas dont tell civilians to move away from hamas occupied structures, hamas dont want people to move away.

but IDF do send warnings to minimise collateral so that they can take out hamas. IDF does look at the proportionality details and context of their strategy

and before you try to downplay how many hamas are taken out to pretend its all civilians.. actually try do open your eyes look at the context and strategies used and realise that its not all civilians nor even a majority.
again realise hamas use their own families as martyrs. the deaths of most civilians have context.. context YOU never care to read about in your clickbait. all you care about is the buzzwords. however courts do look for the evidence, context and mitigating circumstances

"as for the number of deaths you have not even tried to work out the ratio. of whom is truly unrelated to supporting hamas vs those that support/are hamas"
Geneva convention and UN courts only care about civilians and combatants, who was rooting for whom or who is truly related and unrelated to whom is irrelevant to genocide and war crimes proceedings. The only thing that matters are combatants and civilians and their ratio.

you are wrong
you have no idea how courts work. they actually look for the evidence and question the motives/intent and such. they look at the mitigating circumstances, they look at if citizens were even given a chance to move away, were they warned, were they even the intended target

UN can have zealous members that make claims and accusations using buzzwords they are spoonfed by clickbait media. but in proper investigations independently and for actual court proceedings, the detail and context matters.

analogy:
you are the type of idiot that would believe bitcoinBSV was bitcoin because media buzzwords promoted it as "bitcoin". you dont care about how its a different faction(fork). you dont care about how its leader messes with its code and practices to harm its community. you dont care how it just plays media to win fame and indocrinate idiots into siding with them.. you just want people to believe that bitcoin BSV is the better bitcoin

So how many innocent people must Israel murder for you to call it a genocide?

First of all, once again, it's not me but a UN commission that found Israel has committed 4 separate acts of genocide out of 5. And you have serious reading comprehension issues if you think it's over 5 people.

If every shot you take is more likely to kill an innocent civilian (most likely a child) than a combatant you're aiming at, then your justifications for taking more shots don't really matter. There's nothing you can say to justify 4 acts of genocide that Israel is committing. Genocide in any kind of warfare is not acceptable full stop!

I said many times that i believe that HAMAS has committed an act of terrorism against Israeli civilians on October 7th, just as many times as i said that it doesn't justify the genocide that Israel is committing and the scale of which is overshadows that initial crime of terrorism. You just enjoy playing a victim card and keep repeating as if i support HAMAS.

All i care about is how many civilians, women and children Israeli forces are murdering, just as a UN tribunal will concentrate on.

I do realize that not ALL Palestinian casualties are civilian, but majority are

In the first category of killing, the commission quotes UN reporting that as of 15 July 2025, at least 46% of Palestinians killed in Gaza were women and children. The commission also cited reporting by the Guardian based on Israeli intelligence that 83% of those killed in Gaza were civilians.

“Most of the dead are women and children. This unimaginable situation is overwhelmingly due to recurring failures by the Israeli Defense Forces to comply with the rules of war,” the High Commissioner for Human Rights said in a statement.
You can claim otherwise all you want but without hard sources like UN commission no one will believe you, regardless of how many time you'll parrot it.

Knowingly killing civilians is a war crime, sure there will be collateral damage but it must be proportional to the objective and cannot be excessive. And when your every strike is more likely to kill a civilian than a soldier that would be a book definition of excessive and disproportional.

Sure, please ask Bibi to give himself up to a UN tribunal so he attempt to prove that waging a war with over 50% collateral damage is proportional. I'd love to see how real court proceedings will work on him.

[franky1]

darule your the one with a reading comprehension problem. well lets just call it what it is wilful/intentful ignorance to show you support hamas's warcrimes but pretend they are not doing it.

when i say 5 people shot in ONE example, im referring to YOUR explanations of an attack of one example

you still cant comprehend the context or the detail. the fact that warnings were given, time was given for innocents to find safety..
you ignore all that. you ignore the proportionaily test
ITS URBAN WARFARE. by that alone being different than desert warfare means collateral damage is more likely.. but when you actually see the numbers and tactics used to mitigate losses. you soon see that the "innocents" are minimised.

the so called innocents darule seems to false represent in numbers he does not use actual context to show hamas use and abuse many as pawns/shields/martyrs.. and employ many others..

hamas failed the palestinians in so many ways, the truth will come out once hamas no longer have power

darule is the complete ignorant idiot that does not want to admit his idols use citizens to hide behind. but the truth will come when hamas have no power and no one needs to ass kiss them or fear them

i wonder who darule will ass kiss next.. he doesnt have long to decide, as it wont be hamas forever. hamas wont be sending him a christmas card of thanks

darule wants to feel justified in adoring hamas's genocidal desires on israelis's becasue he has been told israeli's are doing it.

however israelis are the ones:
writing the peace deals
drawing up the lines of the 2 state proposal, lines which are virtually the same for 75 years and still on offer(gaza &  westbank)
wanting co-existence
feeding the palestinians for FREE
offering shelter, jobs for palestinians
giving warnings to citizens before a city becomes a target due to hamas incursions of citizen infrastructure
giving time for citizens to move away from the danger

hamas give no warnings to citizens
hamas dont want nor allow people to leave
hamas make false promises,
 - including promising them immortality as martyrs and compensation to their family for being used as such
 - false promises that certain area's are protected because hamas are there. yet truth is the threat/risk level rises because hamas is there
hamas dont remove themselves from cities to battle in the empty fields/borders. they hide and use palestinians
hamas want as many martyrs as possible, the more child sacrifices they can use the more it plays into their narrative

when hamas give up... who will darule idolise next, who's ass will he kiss then wipe clean

[paxmao]

[...]
however israelis are the ones:
writing the peace deals
drawing up the lines of the 2 state proposal, lines which are virtually the same for 75 years and still on offer(gaza &  westbank)
wanting co-existence
feeding the palestinians for FREE
offering shelter, jobs for palestinians
giving warnings to citizens before a city becomes a target due to hamas incursions of citizen infrastructure
giving time for citizens to move away from the danger

You can draw lines in a map, but if you allow settlers in the West Bank taking over Palestinian homes... what type of "coexistence" are you talking about.

Israel "offering jobs"? "Feeding for free"? "Offering shelter" - Let's be clear, Palestinians do not want charity, they want their own country. Let the Palestinians have their estate and they will have their own stuff, jobs and will deal with their own problems.

It is so hypocrital that you pretend that Israel is doing charity. Is an I want to puke level of hypocrisy.

Israel is keeping them in controlled poverty just as Putin keeps the regions in controlled poverty.

I do not justify Hamas, but saying that Israel is about cohexistence... not with the current government no.

[franky1]

You can draw lines in a map, but if you allow settlers in the West Bank taking over Palestinian homes... what type of "coexistence" are you talking about.

Israel "offering jobs"? "Feeding for free"? "Offering shelter" - Let's be clear, Palestinians do not want charity, they want their own country. Let the Palestinians have their estate and they will have their own stuff, jobs and will deal with their own problems.

It is so hypocrital that you pretend that Israel is doing charity. Is an I want to puke level of hypocrisy.

Israel is keeping them in controlled poverty just as Putin keeps the regions in controlled poverty.

I do not justify Hamas, but saying that Israel is about cohexistence... not with the current government no.

read the deal you idiot..
its about giving them gaza where israel is not running it. whereby:
if there are any jihadi(hamas) terrorists still wanting to fight in gaza, the palestinian police handle it internally.. israel stay out of arab on arab affairs in gaza
israel dont get involved in the drama within the gaza lines
special economic tariff deals and giving jobs to rebuild starts the gaza economy again
once premises are rebuild palestinians can start their own businesses and become self reliant
furthering their self sustainability
israel are offering a deal to not be charity forever.. just read the deal

as for "not with current government" your damned right.. the current PA/hamas "government" are not any good as a civilian public service government. they are more war minded.. so the elections for a new palestinian civilian public service government is also listed in the plan.

[DaRude]

darule your the one with a reading comprehension problem. well lets just call it what it is wilful/intentful ignorance to show you support hamas's warcrimes but pretend they are not doing it.

when i say 5 people shot in ONE example, im referring to YOUR explanations of an attack of one example

you still cant comprehend the context or the detail. the fact that warnings were given, time was given for innocents to find safety..
you ignore all that. you ignore the proportionaily test
ITS URBAN WARFARE. by that alone being different than desert warfare means collateral damage is more likely.. but when you actually see the numbers and tactics used to mitigate losses. you soon see that the "innocents" are minimised.

the so called innocents darule seems to false represent in numbers he does not use actual context to show hamas use and abuse many as pawns/shields/martyrs.. and employ many others..

hamas failed the palestinians in so many ways, the truth will come out once hamas no longer have power

darule is the complete ignorant idiot that does not want to admit his idols use citizens to hide behind. but the truth will come when hamas have no power and no one needs to ass kiss them or fear them

i wonder who darule will ass kiss next.. he doesnt have long to decide, as it wont be hamas forever. hamas wont be sending him a christmas card of thanks

darule wants to feel justified in adoring hamas's genocidal desires on israelis's becasue he has been told israeli's are doing it.

however israelis are the ones:
writing the peace deals
drawing up the lines of the 2 state proposal, lines which are virtually the same for 75 years and still on offer(gaza &  westbank)
wanting co-existence
feeding the palestinians for FREE
offering shelter, jobs for palestinians
giving warnings to citizens before a city becomes a target due to hamas incursions of citizen infrastructure
giving time for citizens to move away from the danger

hamas give no warnings to citizens
hamas dont want nor allow people to leave
hamas make false promises,
 - including promising them immortality as martyrs and compensation to their family for being used as such
 - false promises that certain area's are protected because hamas are there. yet truth is the threat/risk level rises because hamas is there
hamas dont remove themselves from cities to battle in the empty fields/borders. they hide and use palestinians
hamas want as many martyrs as possible, the more child sacrifices they can use the more it plays into their narrative

when hamas give up... who will darule idolise next, who's ass will he kiss then wipe clean

You're just straight out lying now. Cite where I'm talking about shooting 5 which makes it a genocide, or apologize for lying!

I can't wait to hear that defense used at a UN tribunal:
-Your honor, proportionality and excessive collateral damage rules don't apply to us because it's URBAN WARFARE and we provided a warning to those 5 to 9 years olds before we murdered them, did we mention that it's URBAN WARFARE. Because it's URBAN WARFARE! Everyone heard us say URBAN WARFARE? Let me just repeat URBAN WARFARE one more time because URBAN WARFARE!!! I'm sure it'll go well and i can't wait to see it.

I have stated and provided many sources stating the collateral damage in Gaza. You're afraid to even say your version for collateral damage in Gaza, much less provide any kind of source. All you do now is just parrot that Israel provides warnings before committing genocide.

I'm not sure if it's possible to dumb it down for you anymore. But let me try this again, if HAMAS is using pawns/shields that still doesn't make them any less civilians which Israel has obligation to protect under Geneva convention, and cannot just murder them as they please. Are you really that dumb that you're unable to comprehend this? But i'd also would love to hear that defense.
-Yes your honor we killed a lot of civilians, but in our defense we were just murdering innocent hostages! Also, i'd like to take this opportunity before you make your final ruling, to randomly yell out URBAN WARFARE! just one more time! I'm sure it'll work well in the UN courts  

You switching to personal attacks is an indication of your desperation. And is just that much more hilarious when, with your reading comprehension issues, you can't even get my nick right, 6 misspelling in one post, a new fail level for you. But good news for you is that i don't think you can fall much lower from here, but i'm sure you'll try!

[franky1]

i called you darule because you think you are da rule.. but you dont know the rules
we already know your rude, so i played off the other game you are playing..

you want to ignore that its urban warfare and instead think that hamas were standing in an empty field miles away from anyone and you think that israel ignored hamas and instead intentionally struck the city where you think hamas were not hiding
you want to keep playing the game of pretending hamas were no where near citizens.
you want to play the game pretending citizens were the targets
you want to pretend israel were sending in no food at all
you want to play the game pretending israel didnt warn anyone

your ignorance is massive

you call it murder and genocide because you keep trying to say that the citizens are the intended targets.. when reality is hamas chose to hide and use citizens for cover, hamas tried every trick in the book to keep citizens near them.. so when israel sent warnings, yes some did leave so mitigating some risk, but you have to understand the proportionality test and the intended target and the mission priority tests that are involved in legal strategy
things would have been a heck of alot worse if israel didnt send warnings. and you ignore that.

you however want to ignore all that and pretend civilians were just randomly targeted and hamas had nothing to do with any of the events
you dont like talking about or have other mentioning that the war happened because of hamas, attacks happen because of hamas
you love and idolise hamas so much you cant see passed their propaganda

hamas's time is nearly over, and when you cant kiss their ass no more, i hope you have a moment of clarity to realise they were not good people and you start to realise the crap you were defending was not good

[DaRude]

i called you darule because you think you are da rule.. but you dont know the rules
we already know your rude, so i played off the other game you are playing..

you want to ignore that its urban warfare and instead think that hamas were standing in an empty field miles away from anyone and you think that israel ignored hamas and instead intentionally struck the city where you think hamas were not hiding

you want to make things sound like the citizens were the intended target.
you want to pretend israel were sending in no food at all

your ignorance is massive

Are you really that dumb that you believe that just because it's URBAN WARFARE!!! it means that Geneva convention doesn't apply? Educate yourself and realize that most of latest military conflicts involve URBAN WARFARE!!
US taking over Kabul (4.5 million), Kandahar (600,000), Baghdad (9 million), Mosul (1 million), Fallujah (300,000) and don't even try to claim that Taliban ISIS and other insurgents used different tactics from HAMAS.

Unlike with your silly claims. it's not me pretending that Israel using food as a weapon, it's UN, doctors without borders, red cross etc etc etc ... So you're not arguing with me, you're trying to argue with all of them, and that's what makes it so silly it's laughable

The chamber ruled there were reasonable grounds to believe Netanyahu and Gallant bore criminal responsibility as co-perpetrators for “the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

One way to see whether Israel claims that they're doing "enough" to limit collateral damage is true, is to actually look at the collateral damage, and compare it with other collateral damages in URBAN WARFARE! environments. Well, the world did just that, and it overwhelmingly came to conclusion that Israel is lying and it's not doing enough despite it's claims. It's really is that simple

[franky1]

israel were the main group sending in aid. they dont have any legal obligation to give food but they did..
they set terms on their aid. which hamas broke those terms..
but even then israel sent in enough food in jan-march 2025 during phase one to last palestinians until october. so when hamas broke the 3-phase-deal in march, israel was in its full legal and humanitarian rights for israel to stop sending aid in. knowing there was enough food within gaza to keep palestinians fed for 6+ months
but even then israel started sending more aid in 2 months later. and by august there was enough food sent in to last until mid 2026..
if you count up all the food aid packs of 2025. and realise it adds up to enough food to feed all 2m until mid 2026 even today there is enough to feed all 2m for many months to come.. the problem is hamas are holding it. preventing palestinians from getting it

what you evade and avoid asking is who held that missing aid, that 85% that didnt reach palestinians, ask why.. yep i dare you to name hamas..

you pretend its starvation but more food went into gaza than the population needed.
what you are ignoring it is that hamas stole it en-route and abused palestinians because of it

israel spent billions on sending in aid, done many methods and strategies to try to avoid aid ending up in hamas's hands, including expensive air drops.
hamas didnt care about starving palestinians. infact hamas loved the idea of starving palestinians and then using the starvation to recruit people, promising them to be fed and their family compensated if they join hamas

un admits 85% of aid entering gaza never reached palestinians BECAUSE IT WAS LOOTED BY HAMAS and its affiliates .. and you are to afraid to mention the name of who was looting it, who was gaining from the looting

you cannot even fathom that hamas want child/women sacrifices/martyrs.. but they do
you cannot even fathom that hamas dont want citizens to move out of an area they took over.. but reality is that they dont want people to move away

there was even the silly propaganda scripts play out that moving away from a warzone was in itself genocide!!(facepalm)

play ignorant all you want. but when hamas are gone. you will have nothing left to ass kiss and you will have to realise your own stupidity got you no where

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you keep trying to play out that 65k people were all "innocent" but you cant explain hamas's tatics involved with those numbers that put the innocent number at far lower. that explain why children got mixed in with the numbers. what caused children to be harmed even when there was opportunity for them to get to safety

hamas wont "love you long time".. so you defending them wont bring you eternal joy. one day your mind will look back and realise you were being ignorant.

the mouth pieces are moving and some are waking up, first 45 seconds are the old narrative, then the next 2 minutes are the wakeup call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdN5YJg6f_Y

[FinneysTrueVision]

as for the modern issue in SA where you, the whole point is that there is no genocide, its about settler battles and who thinks who gets to live somewhere..
again you are trying to call it genocide.. you are exaggerating again. and that again is where you are failing to understand disputes and turning it into things its not
white SA want to co-exist. black SA think whites are "settlers" so are disputing and fighting, but not a genocide matter.. though you keep trying to bring the word genocide into it
again you make yourself sound silly

Read your own words. You said black people want to eradicate white people in South Africa.

white SA want to coexist but the black SA want them eradicated

You are now lying about your own self. This is why Israel and its apologists continue to lose credibility. Your propaganda is so laughably bad, full of holes and inconsistencies.

will you want co-existance or still want israelis to be removed from the middle east

lets see your response, will you reveal your racism?

Saying that Germanic, Polish, Slavic, etc. people are not entitled to territory in the Middle East inhabited by a Levantine indigenous population, simply because of their religion or because of trace amounts of Semitic ancestry, is not racism. Zionists who believe Jews are the chosen people and that God promised them other people’s land are actual ethnoreligious supremacists.

[franky1]

as for the modern issue in SA where you, the whole point is that there is no genocide, its about settler battles and who thinks who gets to live somewhere..
again you are trying to call it genocide.. you are exaggerating again. and that again is where you are failing to understand disputes and turning it into things its not
white SA want to co-exist. black SA think whites are "settlers" so are disputing and fighting, but not a genocide matter.. though you keep trying to bring the word genocide into it
again you make yourself sound silly

Read your own words. You said black people want to eradicate white people in South Africa.

white SA want to coexist but the black SA want them eradicated

You are now lying about your own self. This is why Israel and its apologists continue to lose credibility. Your propaganda is so laughably bad, full of holes and inconsistencies.

see how YOU take snippets to change the narrative...

as for your KKK analogy..
well if you want a better analogy if you want to go with a concept where you believe[/u] a ethnicity owns the land and settlers took over..
[^the analogy^]
[v how YOU would twist it v]
you would use the black south africans wanting to kill white south africans for "settling".. where the white SA want to coexist but the black SA want white SA eradicated

but thank you for now admitting that you think, beleive and denounce a notion that nor blacks nor whites are performing genocide simply over a dispute of settling

[_Miracle]

https://globalsumudflotilla.org/live/   <----aid is being intercepted ----AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZqidE3vWRI

[franky1]

https://globalsumudflotilla.org/live/   <----aid is being intercepted ----AGAIN

guess you never heard of border control
stopping greta from breaching the border is a benefit to mankind..
.. as for the aid, that will reach the palestinians via other official methods.

[franky1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZqidE3vWRI

first story
the context and what is not said about hamas

when hamas move into a area and take over civilian infrastructure. they use it for their military operations..
this creates a situation where those places become urban warfare zones. and certain civilian infrastructure loses its protected classification
(something hamas dont tell people about)

israel give warning telling people to get far far away. that those area's no longer offer protection due to hamas occupying the area/infrastructure

the camp(ex-school) hit today was part of the evacuation orders as far back as 25th of august, where israel told everyone to head south, out of the neighbourhood out of the city. they have had over a month to vacate. further warnings were given.. multiple times. including a final warning this morning before the strike

hamas however tell people to stay, lie to to them, make false promises, tell them they will be safe. and even tell them if they are sacrificed they will receive graditude in the afterlife and their families will be compensated for their martyrdom. thus make those that stay become human shields, where hamas think they(hamas) wont get targetted because they have so many citizens around them

israel give citizens enough time to disperse as best they can. reducing alot of collateral risk

that school was not a protected site. it lost that classification months ago when hamas turned up. people should have left and found safety as instructed by all the israeli flyers, sms and links to websites

hundreds of thousands of people did vacate gaza city.

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i have not nor ever had described the palestinians that remained with hamas idiots. nor do i nor have i ever thoguht they deserve to die..
many of them have no choice, hamas have either indoctrinated them to join hamas's plans, been coerced or blackmailed into staying. or their part of hamas's troops family. some were threatened also with being executed if they leave.
however those acts by hamas to use people as shields.. is a atrocity birthed by hamas, used by hamas and hamas should answer for their actions even if trump/blair want to offer them amnesty and immunity should hamas stop soon

if israel wanted to cause genocide. the death numbers would be at 2m of the 2m population by now.. but the numbers are not that high
if israel wanted to cause genocide. they would not send warnings.. hamas dont give warnings. but israel does.. wake up to the facts
if israel wanted to cause starvation. the death numbers would be at 2m of the 2m population by now..simply by not sending food for 2 years
people die of starvation within a couple weeks-months.. so how come the population is still at 2m if there is so much "genocide"

reality is israel are not performing genocide. but zealots and idolise hamas want to paint pretty pictures of hamas's acts of atrocities but sign them as being israeli drawn

UNRWA facilities: The UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA), which ran many schools used as shelters, has acknowledged discovering Hamas tunnels near or under some of its facilities in the past. However, UNRWA has strongly condemned these actions as violations of the agency's neutrality and has taken steps to seal off the tunnels.
Targeting of rescuers: During the October 1, 2025, strike on the al-Falah School, the Hamas-run Civil Defence agency reported that rescue workers were hit in a "double-tap strike"—a second strike designed to inflict maximum casualties on first responders.

*Hamas-run Civil Defence agency = hamas wearing aid vests,
hoping they are protected as immortals by wearing a vest that meant to put them into a special "protected class"

learn about the LAWFARE tricks hamas play by occupying schools, churches, hospitals and wearing aid/press vests to hide/be cowards and pretend to be immortal whilst carrying out military operations


as for the flotilla
pretending to call being arrested for breaching a border "illegal abduction" is more emotive buzzword play
greta knows she is breaching a border and would be arrested. she already tried it and was warned not to do it again, she was already sent home after first arrest. but continual breaching of borders will be treated like illegal migrants are treated in the US .. arrested and detained. the best she can hope for is deported again, or she may end up in prison for continually breaching the border without authorisation(like many countries standard border rule are)
its like she wants to go to prison
whats next, she will go on a hunger strike and then say israel caused her starvation

meanwhile israel will seize the contents of the flotilla, do customs checks, ensure there is no illegal items being smuggled and send the aid into gaza via official methods