If You Knew a Game Was Rigged, will you continue to play and exploit the system?

[Smartvirus]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Or take for example this case: Looking Back at the Ultimate Bet Scandal.

Surely the first instinct wouldn’t be to tell the casino what’s going on, it would be gambling some more not just to be sure of what’s happening but that would be it and also getting some of those freebies but, I certainly would tell the casino about it sooner than later. I hear there are usually rewards for those stuff and to keep a business going since, I certainly would like to continue playing and not have all the money at a go but, would be a compensation worth the while.

[kawetsriyanto]

For me, it's a moral issue. I can't cheat in the game or anything else or at least I'd feel guilty if I did, because this goes against my principles, but everyone has their own point of view and justifications they believe are valid.

Yep, it is a moral issue. It purely depends on the nature of each individual. Honestly, it is difficult to ignore the chance to take free money. Moreover it is from casinos which we have no big chance to win money. However, I personally will report it to the team after I do some tests to ensure it is a real bug. Sure, I won't deny that I may take some money from the such opportunity. But at the end of the day, there is a sense of obligation to report it as a good user on the casinos.  

Well, I think it will be a very rare case that a bug won't be solved for a long time. I'm sure casinos regularly check their system and try to anticipate any possible bugs. They hired professional teams to run the business, especially those who maintain the games to work properly.

[yhiaali3]

It's indeed a moral issue, but thank you for your honesty. This is better than the hypocrites who say they won't do it but actually they do it when they have the opportunity.

For me, it's a moral issue. I can't cheat in the game or anything else or at least I'd feel guilty if I did, because this goes against my principles, but everyone has their own point of view and justifications they believe are valid.

Although we have this principle that we won’t cheat, things can feel different once we’re in the actual situation. That’s when the temptation kicks in, we get blinded by the thought of free money, forget our own principles for a moment, and just focus on cashing out on the opportunity. ( i hope it will not happen to you).

I agree with you. I wouldn't claim to be a perfect person who can't be tempted by money. This can happen to anyone, especially when you have a lot of money and are in a miserable situation with no money. Then, Satan can sneak in to tempt you and make you forget your principles.

As you mentioned, I hope this doesn't happen to me and that I'm not put in a difficult situation where my principles are tested.

[Luzin]

I agree with you. I wouldn't claim to be a perfect person who can't be tempted by money. This can happen to anyone, especially when you have a lot of money and are in a miserable situation with no money. Then, Satan can sneak in to tempt you and make you forget your principles.

As you mentioned, I hope this doesn't happen to me and that I'm not put in a difficult situation where my principles are tested.

If that happens then, I will be inclined to leave. Knowing the problems and staying is stupid. I think not only me, everyone will leave. The money issue is very sensitive, I think everyone's motive for signing up is the profit issue. I'll keep trying at first, but if I keep failing then I'll leave soon. I'm not going to find out, I left because I realized it wasn't profitable. I won't have curiosity, because I've been wronged and I'll leave to find a new source.

[Wonder Work]

For me, it's a moral issue. I can't cheat in the game or anything else or at least I'd feel guilty if I did, because this goes against my principles, but everyone has their own point of view and justifications they believe are valid.

These things depend entirely on your personal affairs. You are a great person in the personal matters you have shared because you do not like to cheat in anything. Those who can think that if they cheat, they will feel guilty are undoubtedly great people. Even though we make various mistakes, no one can even think we can be guilty because of mistakes. However, when there is an opportunity to cheat in front of someone and they can easily get a lot of money from it, most people lose their natural balance and cheat.

However, I personally will report it to the team after I do some tests to ensure it is a real bug. Sure, I won't deny that I may take some money from the such opportunity. But at the end of the day, there is a sense of obligation to report it as a good user on the casinos.

Yes, I agree with you because after we test, we can confirm whether there is a real bug, and I know it is impossible to do more than that. If there is a bug, then reporting it as a good gambler is also an excellent quality.

[qwertyup23]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

The answer is obvious- definitely let the casino know about the loopholes on their system.

The problem in keeping this to yourself is that the gambling company may withhold your funds if they discover you exploited a system. Their data will reflect that the imbalance that such loophole caused, giving them more reason to prohibit, restrict, and even keep your funds.

Though this may be the case, I assume that some people here would definitely take advantage of such loophole and cash-out quickly before the gambling company discovers the exploit. Well, that's one angle to look at it but I do believe that karma exists- one way or another, that exploited money would bite me back in the future.

[Wapfika]

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Surely the first instinct wouldn’t be to tell the casino what’s going on, it would be gambling some more not just to be sure of what’s happening but that would be it and also getting some of those freebies but, I certainly would tell the casino about it sooner than later. I hear there are usually rewards for those stuff and to keep a business going since, I certainly would like to continue playing and not have all the money at a go but, would be a compensation worth the while.

I like this approach realistically speaking. I will do the same such as try first the bug and gather some proof it in case I will report to the casino.

But my instinct will be use the bug to get some decent win and let that profit just sit on my balance until the casino fixed the problem on their own.

If the problem doesn’t fix for a long time, I think that is the time to report it to the support. Casino usually have a bug bounty program and they might use my withdrawn balance as rewards for reporting the bug.

[KTChampions]

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For me, it's a moral issue. I can't cheat in the game or anything else or at least I'd feel guilty if I did, because this goes against my principles, but everyone has their own point of view and justifications they believe are valid.

If we are talking about exploits or even exploitation of vulnerabilities in casino software, then this is not a moral issue at all, but a legal issue. And yes, if you get caught, you will go to jail.
If we are talking about some legal way when a player got an advantage over the casino, then I don’t see any moral questions here - it’s like in chess, if you are stronger then there is nothing immoral in winning.

[bubilas]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Or take for example this case: Looking Back at the Ultimate Bet Scandal.

Sooner or later, any online casino will realize that there is an exploit in its system that players can use to train the system conditions and get easy wins.
And it will be very easy to do this in an online casino. Not to mention that it is very easy for a physical casino to find those who could cheat. For this, security guards and casino analysts will use surveillance cameras.
Therefore, the casino will find the culprit in any case and most likely will sue him, and the culprit will have to give back everything he received through dishonest winnings. Therefore, it is better to immediately report online casino bugs when you find them.

[Oluwa-btc]

There's definitely no need to exploiting a rigged game because It's definitely going to be a trap.I'll rather quit than get myself involved in an unfair game.Its not acceptable to continue playing,the game is a scam and trying to manipulate and exploit it will put you at risks.Mind you the systems are not designed to be figured out, don't continue; don't exploit for your own good.

[Fiatless]

Sooner or later, any online casino will realize that there is an exploit in its system that players can use to train the system conditions and get easy wins.
And it will be very easy to do this in an online casino. Not to mention that it is very easy for a physical casino to find those who could cheat. For this, security guards and casino analysts will use surveillance cameras.
Therefore, the casino will find the culprit in any case and most likely will sue him, and the culprit will have to give back everything he received through dishonest winnings. Therefore, it is better to immediately report online casino bugs when you find them.

Players who exploit lapses from online casinos can also be tracked since most of them have asked for KYC. With the identification documents that have been submitted, they can easily identify the account that was cheating the system. It is better to avoid such a trap since it can put someone into big trouble. Reporting to the casino still remains the ideal move.

[Oluwa-btc]

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Of a truth I don't think anyone would want to admit that to the casino of their deeds of exploiting the system without their notice, of course to majority of gamblers it's a lucky day for them or precisely a payback for their uncountable loses generated overtime. So no one would want to see such opportunity and act like a saint, though it happens but just little percentage.

[Findingnemo]

If it ever occurred to you then just make as much as you can.

But casino will quickly flag any user if they keep winning by default and may look for any kind of exploitation and if they find it, then they will void all the bets and you will get nothing which will be clearly mentioned in the ToS page itself.

I know it is not ethical but I am not that high on morals when it comes to unlimited free money.

[Jaycoinz]

Gamblers wouldn't joke with such an opportunity, if there's a loop hole in the system it means that people are going to make profit consistently, this is something that no gambler would ignore but the problem is that it's not possible for such to occur because the designers of these casinos are always on the look out for things like this, they can't afford to lose money because of a careless mistake so that's why their system is always monitored

[Mahanton]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Or take for example this case: Looking Back at the Ultimate Bet Scandal.

I would say that 99% of people would be taking up the advantage of this exploit yet this is a chance that you might be able to encounter once in a life time on which considering on how secure these gambling platforms are but since we do know that there's no such thing about perfect security or build up on which there would be those chances that it could happen and if it happens that you are the ones who had been able to discover it then you would be trying out to spoil yourself and taking up that advantage. These are the things that you would definitely do.

1. Making up some small wins and gradually making some withdrawal for them not to notice.
2. Directly make up those huge wins and thinking about big time win and one time cash out
3. Making up some medium amount win then pulling it out and if it succeed then rinse and repeat

For sure the platform would be able to notice it out sooner or later and thats why you would be trying out to think up on how you would be able to take advantage on what you have discovered.
This isnt talking about being ethical or not, its a system glitch or exploit or error. Normally you would be thinking up on making money out of it and thats what you would be trying out to do.

[lionheart78]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Morally, the right thing to do is to inform the casino that there is a glitch on their system that can be exploited by the player.  If there is a bounty for this kind of thing, then it is right to claim the bounty.  If there is none, it is right to tell the casino about the glitch to avoid to the possiblity of the account getting banned due to exploiting that glitch.

[mikel_012]

If it ever occurred to you then just make as much as you can.

But casino will quickly flag any user if they keep winning by default and may look for any kind of exploitation and if they find it, then they will void all the bets and you will get nothing which will be clearly mentioned in the ToS page itself.

I know it is not ethical but I am not that high on morals when it comes to unlimited free money.

That's a bit weird thing to say online. You are saying that you would scam if you could?

Why stop in casinos when you can rob people in this forum or when someone sends you more bitcoin than they should when doing a transaction?

Maybe one day you will be the victim and the robber will not have a high morale to not steal from you.

Can't understand why stealing is being normalized in this topic

[tread93]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Or take for example this case: Looking Back at the Ultimate Bet Scandal.

First I would find out if the casino offered a bounty for bringing forth loopholes and flaws in their system. If that didn't happen to be in place I would directly reach out to the owners and tell them I was a cyber professional who happened to notice some flaws and backdoor in their system but if they wanted me to tell them I'd make them sign a contract with a defined commission for guaranteed payment. Personally I wouldn't exploit them, nor would I encourage others to but I would attempt to make them aware. At the end of the day I think they would pay a bounty for this kind of vulnerable information.

[yhiaali3]

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For me, it's a moral issue. I can't cheat in the game or anything else or at least I'd feel guilty if I did, because this goes against my principles, but everyone has their own point of view and justifications they believe are valid.

If we are talking about exploits or even exploitation of vulnerabilities in casino software, then this is not a moral issue at all, but a legal issue. And yes, if you get caught, you will go to jail.
If we are talking about some legal way when a player got an advantage over the casino, then I don’t see any moral questions here - it’s like in chess, if you are stronger then there is nothing immoral in winning.

While it's a legal issue, it's also an ethical one. You have two choices here: either exploit the loophole and cheat which is unethical and illegal, or don't exploit the loophole and report it and this is an ethical issue.

I believe this issue is philosophical, as we see laws are often based on the moral values prevalent in society. Therefore, in general, law and ethics are intertwined.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

What's your take on this?

You play on a casino, and it's supposedly "provably fair", however, you we're able to find a backdoor and exploit their system. Are you going to tell the casino itself or you will continue to play as it's free money and then you exit just about in time before the casino know what you have done?

Morally, the right thing to do is to inform the casino that there is a glitch on their system that can be exploited by the player.  If there is a bounty for this kind of thing, then it is right to claim the bounty.  If there is none, it is right to tell the casino about the glitch to avoid to the possiblity of the account getting banned due to exploiting that glitch.

Morally speaking, you are absolutely right, but in reality, you will definitely end up regretting at the end of the day if you told the casino what is wrong in system without first exploiting it.
First is that the casino will either claim to not know what you are talking about while the secretly fix the issue without any form of appreciation from the management to you.
Or secondly, if you are trying to claim a bug bounty, without you first exploiting the casino through the bug as a proof, the casino will outrightly deny that no such bug exists in their system while their developers secretly fixes the issue, leaving you with not even thank you.

So for me, even if I am going to let the casino know that there is a bug in their system which gamblers can exploit, I would first exploit it as my proof to them that my claim is true.