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December 12, 2025, 05:22:11 AM
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DMT-NAT is effectively an altcoin which makes it off topic in this area

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December 14, 2025, 08:55:31 PM
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Bitcoin was designed to be trustless and secure — but what happens when the engine that powers its security starts running dry?

https://budget.day/


BlockChair made an educational website about Bitcoin and its Security Budget. I believe that EVERYONE should read through the whole site and LEARN, especially if a "debate" about the network's security funding "issues" presents itself.

But if it doesn't become an actual issue, I believe that it's still something to learn from from the viewpoint of what's making the network stick together. Incentives.

Honestly, I haven't really dug into that site much. I've heard people recommend it, but I'm more of a "watch and see" kind of person. We sometimes overthink stuff that might not even matter for decades.

Bitcoin's worked fine so far. I trust the network doing its thing more than I trust some internet explainer. Everyone's got an angle, you know?

If you're curious, check it out. But don't stress. At the end of the day, Bitcoin stands because people use it, not because some website explains it well.
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December 16, 2025, 10:48:42 AM
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DMT-NAT is effectively an altcoin which makes it off topic in this area

I understand the concern, and I agree that the Bitcoin main section shouldn’t be a dumping ground for generic altcoin promotion.

That said, whether DMT-NAT qualifies as an “altcoin” in the traditional sense is not entirely clear-cut. It is not a separate blockchain, does not alter Bitcoin’s consensus rules, and is not created via a fork or protocol change. Rather, it is a Digital Matter Theory element derived entirely from existing Bitcoin block data and issued automatically to miners from within Bitcoin’s current rule set. While it is technically transferable and tradeable, that alone doesn’t fully capture what it represents.

More importantly, the relevance here is not the token itself but the problem it addresses. Bitcoin faces a widely acknowledged long-term security-budget challenge as block subsidies decline and fee markets remain uncertain. Most proposed solutions—tail emissions, demurrage, PoS, forks, or consensus changes—either fundamentally alter Bitcoin’s properties or have been repeatedly rejected by the community.

DMT-NAT is notable because, so far, it is the only proposal that attempts to address the security-budget issue without modifying Bitcoin’s code, monetary policy, or consensus rules, and without requiring a fork. If a better, non-invasive solution emerges, it should absolutely be preferred. At present, however, this is the only approach that appears to operate entirely within Bitcoin’s existing framework.

I appreciate that some members are understandably wary of “yet another token,” and that skepticism is healthy. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to discuss this particular approach without referencing the tokenized representation itself, as that is how the mechanism manifests economically for miners.

If the consensus is that this discussion still doesn’t belong in the main Bitcoin section, I’ll respect that. I’m sure the intent here is not to promote an altcoin, but to discuss a Bitcoin-relevant mechanism aimed at a long-term issue the community broadly agrees exists. This isn’t exactly a venue that attracts speculative buyers, which suggests the motivation is discussion rather than promotion.
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December 16, 2025, 11:09:21 AM
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Security Budget  is just another FUD  , like quantum computers or claims that if you hold Bitcoin, you’ll get kidnapped. Security Budget  issue doesn’t really exist, it’s just FUD spread by shady shitcoin promoters who say, Bitcoin has a security budget problem, buy my shitcoin instead.
If you dive a bit deeper into this rabbit hole, you realize that the “Security Budget” problem doesn’t actually exist. Pierre Rochard explained it perfectly a few days ago on Twitter,there’s no real issue with Bitcoin’s security budget.

https://x.com/BitcoinPierre/status/1956151795287515230

Interesting.

Thanks for filling up the gaps, I wonder what the commenters are there to say about it.. As of now, the solutions for this "problem" may result in even bigger ones down the line.

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December 16, 2025, 05:38:25 PM
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Security Budget  is just another FUD  , like quantum computers or claims that if you hold Bitcoin, you’ll get kidnapped. Security Budget  issue doesn’t really exist, it’s just FUD spread by shady shitcoin promoters who say, Bitcoin has a security budget problem, buy my shitcoin instead.
If you dive a bit deeper into this rabbit hole, you realize that the “Security Budget” problem doesn’t actually exist. Pierre Rochard explained it perfectly a few days ago on Twitter,there’s no real issue with Bitcoin’s security budget.

https://x.com/BitcoinPierre/status/1956151795287515230

Interesting.

Thanks for filling up the gaps, I wonder what the commenters are there to say about it.. As of now, the solutions for this "problem" may result in even bigger ones down the line.


I’m sorry, but this tweet doesn’t “solve” the security-budget issue. It reframes it in a way that ignores several inconvenient realities. The argument relies on idealized assumptions about fee markets, miner behavior, and attack timing, while treating short-term equilibria as proof of long-term sufficiency. That may be rhetorically appealing, but it doesn’t hold up under closer scrutiny.


For those interested, I replied directly to the original tweet here: https://x.com/fightfear1/status/2000981650646425844?s=20

In short, difficulty adjustment normalizes block timing, not the absolute cost of attack; episodic fee spikes are not evidence of sustainable security; and almost all of Bitcoin’s historical security has still been funded by subsidy rather than fees. Claiming the problem is already “solved” prematurely closes the door on serious analysis of long-term finality.

The reply also briefly touches on why dismissing the issue outright risks ignoring non-consensus, miner-side mechanisms that attempt to address the gap without altering Bitcoin’s rules or monetary policy.



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December 19, 2025, 02:57:21 PM
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Bitcoin was designed to be trustless and secure — but what happens when the engine that powers its security starts running dry?

https://budget.day/


BlockChair made an educational website about Bitcoin and its Security Budget. I believe that EVERYONE should read through the whole site and LEARN, especially if a "debate" about the network's security funding "issues" presents itself.

But if it doesn't become an actual issue, I believe that it's still something to learn from from the viewpoint of what's making the network stick together. Incentives.

Honestly, I haven't really dug into that site much. I've heard people recommend it, but I'm more of a "watch and see" kind of person. We sometimes overthink stuff that might not even matter for decades.

Bitcoin's worked fine so far. I trust the network doing its thing more than I trust some internet explainer. Everyone's got an angle, you know?

If you're curious, check it out. But don't stress. At the end of the day, Bitcoin stands because people use it, not because some website explains it well.
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The discussion is certainly something to be aware of and make your own mind up about it. That's if you value Bitcoin and the network's security, I suppose.

If someone is into Bitcoin just for the fun of it or to gamble a little, then yeah you may be better off just watching & seeing - and ignoring the OP website and related issue.

Certainly encourage anyone reading to take five, ten minutes out of your day and read the website to assess yourself.

In my mind, Bitcoin is far, far, far too important and valuable to just hope and wish for it to remain decentralized and secure. "Failing to prepare is preparing to fail" - throughout the natural world and history laziness often results in severe debilitation and even death. With respect to Bitcoin, one need only look back into the previous years or to BIPs themselves or to the (future) at quantum resistance hardening of the network to see it's not perfect and there are certainly adjustments, improvements, innovations, and efficiencies to be made and on the lookout for!

With that said, the innovations around the topic are very intriguing in my opinion. Many can work in concert; we are definitely stronger together. For me, personally, the Digital Matter Theory-related option is as mind-blowing as Bitcoin itself was years ago once I fully grasped it all (link to a comment with more information; about halfway down the (comment) body is the gitbook). I had visions of expanding universes with both Bitcoin and Digital Matter after reading/understanding the general principles, etc...
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