Poll on Israel invasion in Gaza

[Marvell1]

nonetheless, when anyone boldly moot what is come obout in Gaza to be racial killing, it is not just a humorous claim, Leading human rights org like Amnesty Int. & UN authority prop up the designation.  If you google you will find a majority number of people all over the world divvy same opinion. Look at this , this recent survey get going that more than 80% of Britons consider truthful that Israel's measures constitute genocide.  so  all people , human rights, the law & all international voice are giving out that this is genocide, it has nothing to do with a fictional book or conspiracy.

[Shishir99]

but lets just see if you are willing to learn whats really going on or will you just join the possy of idiots that want to throw buzzwords around, which they learned from pro-hamas social media, to try to sound like they are part of something by including key words that side with a certain group

Stop it motherfucker!

He ks khamas too  
Everything is khamas, you are khamas, I am khamas, they are khamas too!
Khamas everywhere. The god promised these lands and properties of arabs to the zionists three thousands years ago. Anyone’s doesn’t believe it is Khamas.

We are all Khamas because we don’t support Genocide.

[FinneysTrueVision]

read more than just your pro hamas rhetoric
even your isreal claims are third party interpretations from pro-hamas sites of what they want to pretend isreal have said

pro hamas media are saying there is not enough food reaching palestinians
but real STATISTICS, DATA and even observations of how many trucks enter the border counter the narrative that not enough enters gaza

The Times of Israel and CNN are not pro-Hamas media; quite the contrary. They were directly quoting a statement signed by several world leaders. It’s not a subjective pro-Hamas interpretation. Israel’s allies are saying directly, without any ambiguity that they should allow more aid.

you dont even want to spell hamas correctly because you dont want hamas to scrape the internet to see who(you) mention them. you fear mentioning them negatively. yes these forum posts are scraped by search engines and bots
you fear mentioning them as a separate group to peaceful palestinians

This is among your most imbecilic statements on this forum. Zionists are too stupid to know when they are being mocked. You have become a caricature of the typical self-victimizing Zionist clown that accuses everyone of being Hamas when they cannot come up with an intelligent, fact-based argument. 

[coolcoinz]

I have no respect for the Israelis after what they did to that aid convoy carrying food and water for the Palestinians. They had a permit to go, showed their route to the Israelis, were in clearly marked cars and guess what. Jews targeted these cars with their drones. Drones have cameras, so they knew what they were attacking. They hit the first car, waited for the survivors to board the second car, which was hit and whoever was left alive moved to the third car to escape, but Jews weren't going to let them live.  7 unarmed civilians, carrying food, were killed in the attack. The Israelis claimed their drone operators had misfired How do you misfire 3 times in a row into 3 different targets?

I also laugh at the fact that you can be called an anti-Semite for criticizing Jews. No other country behaves like that.

[FinneysTrueVision]

i am not claiming everyone is hamas.. read my posts, get your glasses on, and read

You say this, yet in the very same post you keep repeating the same lies that every criticism of Israel is coming from Hamas propagandists. It’s funny you think Hamas is so influential when Israeli interests are spending hundreds of millions to buy American politicians, who then pass censorship laws to make it illegal to criticize, protest or boycott against Israel under the guise of fighting antisemitism.

Israel is also currently spending hundreds of millions to propagandize against Iran, whitewash their genocide, and promote censorship of what they deem antisemitic.

Twitter is constantly deleting posts at the request of the Israel National Cyber Directorate, the same agency whose executive director, Tom Alexandrovich, was recently arrested for sexual predation against minors and was allowed to flee back to Israel.

Mitt Romney openly admitted that the real reason why the U.S. Congress banned TikTok was due to the amount of pro-Palestine content on the app. Not so coincidentally, TikTok has taken action to ingratiate themselves with the Trump administration by doing things such as hiring a Zionist IDF soldier to moderate content on their platform.

The biggest tech corporations like Google, Palantir and Microsoft work closely with Israel and provide them with military and intelligence support.

From leaked WhatsApp chats we know Zionist billionaires pressured Mayor Eric Adams to use police force to stop pro-Palestine protestors at Columbia University. These same billionaires spent millions of dollars on media campaigns trying to shape public opinion on Israel.
https://www.semafor.com/article/11/09/2023/billionaires-discuss-50-million-anti-hamas-media-blitz

This isn’t something new. Back in 2014’s Sony’s leaked emails revealed how the entertainment industry, in coordination with Israel and the IDF, was working to influence and propagandize in favor of Israel. They worked exhaustively to cancel anybody that was critical of Israel.

Tell me again how “everyone is Khamas” including the most heavily Zionist-influenced institutions because they report on statements taken verbatim from Israel’s leaders explicitly stating their genocidal intentions. Empirical, documented and observable reality in Gaza is not in any way pro-Hamas media misinformation.

[FinneysTrueVision]

you mean .. americans..
(facepalm)

so now you want to say americans are palestinians.. because they are protesting.... protesting based only on propaganda they gleaned from social media and crap media

I have no idea what you are trying to say. Everything you write is non-sequiturs and broken run-on sentences. There was all sorts of people from all over the world and from different religions attending those protests because public opinion is in its majority against Israel’s actions. There has also been millions of people protesting outside of the United States.

all the junk in media, which triggers american protestors to have emotional outbursts and echo silly buzzwords, have no clue what they support. they call it pro palestine, but they want what hamas wants not what palestine wants.. because.. they are reading pro hamas crap being falsely promoted as pro-palestinian

This argument that “the media is Khamas” has already been thoroughly debunked. If that were true Marc Lamont Hill, Katie Halper, and Emily Wilder wouldn’t have been fired from CNN, The Hill, and the Associated Press for criticizing Israel.

before hamas took control of gaza, palestinians in gaza were neighbourly with isreal. co-mingling with isreal, commuting to work in isreal and working alongside isreali's. going to shops and stuff, vacationing in same spots as isreali's, welcoming isreali's to buy gazan produced goods, letting isreali's go shopping in gaza, etc

Palestinians and Israelis have not coexisted peacefully since Jewish supremacist settlers invaded the territory and dispossessed the indigenous population of their homes and land.

Irgun terrorism, the Nakba, the first and second intifadas all happened well before Hamas came to power. Hamas is a direct consequence of the violence perpetrated by Zionist extremists.

yep. your whole "death to isreal" "zionist" "from river to sea" "genocide" rhetoric is hamas word play.

Words are Khamas too now? This is pure batshit craziness.

heres a better report of circumstances(google any part of exert to find report found on many sites, (choose your favourite))

The report was written by Mark Binskin, Australia’s go-to guy whenever they want to cover up war crimes. This is the same Defence Force Chief who said there were no rogue elements in Australia’s special forces when they were accused of unlawful killings in Afghanistan, violating the Geneva Convention.

The whole investigation was political theatre that was always going to end up exonerating Israel. At least they pretended to do an independent investigation, unlike the U.S. which allows Israelis to commit crimes against American citizens domestically and abroad with total impunity.

[coolcoinz]

as for coolcoinz opinion "vehicles clearly marked".... well it was night time so not clearly enough

The Israelis knew what they were attacking. They even claimed that the vehicles moved away from their designed route and were hit, so they knew what the original route was.
As for the markings, they had whole roofs painted with logos so that any aerial surveillance can identify them. Not to mention they were being watched for a long time.

but from the report the drones were observing people with fire arms moving from vehicle to vehicle and doing things that looked less like peaceful aid workers and more like gun man scurrying around, using aid vehicles as 'lawfare' cover(a known hamas tactic)..

The Israelis claim they have identified these people as Hamas, but later say they made a mistake, so which part is true?

which isreal admit was a mistake made and have investigated and learned valuable lessons to reduce the chances of recurrences

Unfortunately people had to die for them to learn something.
Fun fact, none of the murdered people were actually Hamas.

also to note, they investigated the incident

Wow, their families must feel relief.

[FinneysTrueVision]

when you snip out what i quoited you saying. of course you will get confused with what i am replying to.. so i added in the quote back into the snip just to show you
YOU brought up the subject of protestors in america.. to try to explain palestinian opinion.. however you used an AMERICAN university protest.. but those americans are not palestinians. they are people living in the western world absorbing western media not wrote by actual palestinians, so they are absorbing whatever rhetoric crap media presents

I only snipped it because I’m not a pyramid quoting spammer like you are. Whatever context you want to add, you still sound like a lunatic.

The entire legacy media in the United States was fully behind Israel. There is mass censorship on Twitter and Meta platforms at the request of an Israeli agency led by a fugitive pedophile. It’s not until it became impossible to ignore that there has been more honesty from the media regarding Israeli barbarism.

you are so warped that YOU are the one who is sweeping things over by trying to hide what hamas is doing now and their slogans by YOU trying to say its what palestinians are saying. by YOU thinking palestinians want to destroy all of isreal YOU are admitting that YOU are anti-palestinian because you are trying to portray palestinian as genocidalists.. when reality is you are just quoting the latest hamas rhetoric and you just dont understand whom you are supporting or not

all of your rhetoric makes you sound like a pro hamas & anti-palestinian. because you are promoting how you think all palestinians are trying to take over everything and wanting death to an entire nation of isreal

Zionists cannot help but lie and gaslight at every opportunity. You are pretending I said something which I didn’t. You have accused everyone and everything of being Hamas. Provable facts don’t matter because that’s Hamas propaganda according to you.

seeing as you brought up the protests in america. a test for you
are all americans democrat supporting transgender grooming gangs?
are all americans republican supporting de-nationalists?

There are no transgender grooming gangs to begin with. You’ve probably been consuming too much of the same fringe media as BADecker, an actual mental retard.

Nothing comes up on Google when I search “what is a de-nationalist”. Assuming this isn’t some crackpot idea you got from one of those BADecker sources and you actually meant denaturalization, then yes, it is widely supported among Republicans and Zionists to revoke citizenship and permanent residency, most notably of Muslims critical of Israel, like Zohran Mamdani and Mahmoud Khalil.

[Shishir99]

So fucking1, you are banned in this thread. Do not bother to write any post. The community gave their result. Over 70% people think it is genocide, and you are busted. We are all Khamas now because we speak for Palestine. You fucked yourself. I don't want to hear your bullshit lazy arguments anymore.

You are a racist, Anti-Islam, and supporter of Israeli propaganda.

[franky1]

keep crying
only a couple dozen people think like you do.. majority of forum users know better and cant be bothered to even correct you
but your actions of deleting posts show how you only want a one sided agreement of your silly opinion.

your ignorance is soo loud that you want to delete any opinion that differs from your own..
.. your actions speak for themselves

realise you are the racist with your anti-american, anti-hebrew, anti-jewish, anti-isreali comments

i have never made any anti-islam, anti-arabian, anti-palestinian comments..

..
you dont speak for palestine because you want to promote palestinians as the genocidal murderers that want "death to isreal death to america"
yet i can actually articulate that the genocidal murderers are not the 2m palestinians in gaza, but the extremist knutjobs called hamas which only amount to 40,000.. oops now 30,000.. oops now 25,000.. oops now even less

the population of palestinians in gaza still remains over 2m. even after 2 years of war.. yet the amount of hamas has declined rapidly.. learn why

only hamas need to be removed from gaza.. learn the difference

[NotATether]

This was is starting to become like the US invasion of Afghanistan. The parallels are there, minus the mass famine of course, which is totally unacceptable for Israel to allow even while having the lowest civilian-to-terrorist casualty rate as they claim.

Do you guys remember 9/11 and how the Taliban, i.e. the Afghanistan government, offered to hand over bin Laden and I think some other people responsible for it to the US? However they wanted nothing short of an invasion, and they didn't even win at the end. I feel this is what is going on with Israel as well.

It seems like these kind of wars are used only to protect the pride and honor of the people in government who allow the mass tragedies to happen in the first place - in this case, Israeli civilians getting massacred. That's on one hand. On the other hand, Hamas is cruelly killing their own (Muslim by the way) civilian population, so they are clearly monsters. Imagine being born in such a region. Life is probably hell. So it is in everyone's interest to get Hamas completely out of power. But for all the progress Israel has made towards doing that, they're still doing a very bad job at getting rid of Hamas if they have to starve ordinary people and also shoot at them for some reason. So I think Natanyehu and his cabinet have to resign. They are the primary reason why all this is happening, and I don't see them improving the situation.

[franky1]

But for all the progress Israel has made towards doing that, they're still doing a very bad job at getting rid of Hamas if they have to starve ordinary people and also shoot at them for some reason. So I think Natanyehu and his cabinet have to resign. They are the primary reason why all this is happening, and I don't see them improving the situation.

isreal are the ones feeding palestinians.. but 85% of food "goes missing" once in gaza(but later located in hamas stockpiles)
so learn whom is starving the palestinians..

isreal sent enough food in to last 2m population until 2026.. learn where the food went

[NotATether]

But for all the progress Israel has made towards doing that, they're still doing a very bad job at getting rid of Hamas if they have to starve ordinary people and also shoot at them for some reason. So I think Natanyehu and his cabinet have to resign. They are the primary reason why all this is happening, and I don't see them improving the situation.

isreal are the ones feeding palestinians.. but 85% of food "goes missing" once in gaza(but later located in hamas stockpiles)
so learn whom is starving the palestinians..

isreal sent enough food in to last 2m population until 2026.. learn where the food went

I am aware of that. Hamas is the ones stealing the aid. That's why I also said they're killing their own civilians. But it's Israel's aid, so they should do more to stop Hamas from looting it, given that they are at war with them anyway.

[franky1]

But for all the progress Israel has made towards doing that, they're still doing a very bad job at getting rid of Hamas if they have to starve ordinary people and also shoot at them for some reason. So I think Natanyehu and his cabinet have to resign. They are the primary reason why all this is happening, and I don't see them improving the situation.

isreal are the ones feeding palestinians.. but 85% of food "goes missing" once in gaza(but later located in hamas stockpiles)
so learn whom is starving the palestinians..

isreal sent enough food in to last 2m population until 2026.. learn where the food went

I am aware of that. Hamas is the ones stealing the aid. That's why I also said they're killing their own civilians. But it's Israel's aid, so they should do more to stop Hamas from looting it, given that they are at war with them anyway.

do more..like.. send more aid then needed... ok done
do more..like.. use alternative routes that avoid known hamas strongholds.. done
do more..like.. send more aid via airdrops at an extremely uneconomical extra expense.. done

any more idea's?

[NotATether]

any more idea's?

How about completely clearing out Hamas foot-soldiers from Gaza (not just air-striking them from 100km) so that an actual peace plan can be discussed?

Feels like they stopped moving at Rafah and don't have 100% operational control in most of the towns.

[franky1]

any more idea's?

How about completely clearing out Hamas foot-soldiers from Gaza (not just air-striking them from 100km)

some insights for you..
booby-trapped tunnels and buildings hamas hide in, is like telling isreali soldiers to intentionally step on a land mine on purpose.
to clear out building by building of all risks, via isreali troops on foot, is a mammoth scale operation that would take years and cause more harm/losses

there are certain reasons certain area's are targeted from a distance

but they do and have sent foot soldiers... such as the recent call to get 60,000 troops to surround and then carefully march inwards of gaza city
yep i said troops not drones

[Pjcr7]

Who's the real enemy of Gaza? US or Israel? I would say both because they are working hand in hand and I don't think I will be wrong for saying that the US is the main sponsor for whatever wrong that's going on in Gaza.  Just today, all UN security council members has agreed that the famine in Gaza is man made and warned that the use of starvation as weapon of war is banned under the international law. For a long time now, Israel has halted all aids going to Gaza thereby restricting both women and children from getting medical care. In the same meeting, Amar Bendjama who's an Algerian ambassador spoke about the killing of Maryam Abu Daqqa who's a journalist killed in Gaza by the Israeli soldier.

[franky1]

Who's the real enemy of Gaza? US or Israel? I would say both because they are working hand in hand and I don't think I will be wrong for saying that the US is the main sponsor for whatever wrong that's going on in Gaza.  Just today, all UN security council members has agreed that the famine in Gaza is man made and warned that the use of starvation as weapon of war is banned under the international law. For a long time now, Israel has halted all aids going to Gaza thereby restricting both women and children from getting medical care. In the same meeting, Amar Bendjama who's an Algerian ambassador spoke about the killing of Maryam Abu Daqqa who's a journalist killed in Gaza by the Israeli soldier.

the real enemy is the hamas military that took control of gaza, that steal the food and radicalises people into wanting to genocide isreal
hamas steal the aid and medical provisions, keep it for their troops and not let the cizitens get it. which is where most aid distribution sites and hospitals not run by hamas health ministry dont get the aid.
hamas prioritise their troops by charging the palestinians huge costs for food and care.
hamas use lawfare tactics to spread their message and be cowards by hiding behind international protections whilst operating and causing chaos

heck even Maryam Abu Daqqa admits to(in her autobiography) have gone to the radicalisation college Al-Awda School, that trains young adults to be anti-zionist and how to become influencers to spread the anti-zionist mantra. she was not just a peaceful citizen journalist/photographer

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actual palestinians want peace and want to just co-exist and be left to just live alongside isreal.
many gazans were happily crossing the border to work and participate in isreal, shopping and socialising. as did isreali's crossing the border to work and participate socially in gaza.. but things changed quickly from october 7th 2023

isreal want peace too and have offered many peacedeals, cease-fire opportunities, truces and accords.. but hamas turns them down and prevents other peaceful palestinians from forming a political party to rival hamas

hamas want the genocide of isrealis. but isreali's dont want the genocide of palestinians. isreali's are the ones sending more aid than needed into gaza.. but where it ends up once inside gaza is a answer for hamas to admit to. isreal want to target hamas, not palestinians. isreal send warnings and messages for innocent palestinians to move away from known hamas strongholds. yet hamas dont give innocent palestinians such warnings when hamas take over civilian infrastructure and turn it into hamas hiding spots thus becoming possible target zones

[Pjcr7]

Who's the real enemy of Gaza? US or Israel? I would say both because they are working hand in hand and I don't think I will be wrong for saying that the US is the main sponsor for whatever wrong that's going on in Gaza.  Just today, all UN security council members has agreed that the famine in Gaza is man made and warned that the use of starvation as weapon of war is banned under the international law. For a long time now, Israel has halted all aids going to Gaza thereby restricting both women and children from getting medical care. In the same meeting, Amar Bendjama who's an Algerian ambassador spoke about the killing of Maryam Abu Daqqa who's a journalist killed in Gaza by the Israeli soldier.

the real enemy is the hamas military that took control of gaza, that steal the food and radicalises people into wanting to genocide isreal
hamas steal the aid and medical provisions, keep it for their troops and not let the cizitens get it. which is where most aid distribution sites and hospitals not run by hamas health ministry dont get the aid.
hamas prioritise their troops by charge the palestinians huge costs for food and care.
hamas use lawfare tactics to spread their message and be cowards by hiding behind international protections whilst operating and causing chaos

heck even Maryam Abu Daqqa admits to(in her autobiography) have gone to the radicalisation college Al-Awda School, that trains young adults to be anti-zionist and how to become influencers to spread the anti-zionist mantra. she was not just a peaceful citizen journalist/photographer

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actual palestinians want peace and want to just co-exist and be left to just live alongside isreal.
many gazans were happily crossing the border to work and participate in isreal, shopping and socialising. as did isreali's crossing the border to work and participate socially in gaza.. but things changed quickly from october 7th 2023

isreal want peace too and have offered many peacedeals, cease-fire opportunities, truces and accords.. but hamas turns them down and prevents other peaceful palestinians from forming a political party to rival hamas

hamas want the genocide of isrealis. but isreali's dont want the genocide of palestinians. isreali's are the ones sending more aid than needed into gaza.. but where it ends up once inside gaza is a answer for hamas to admit to. isreal want to target hamas, not palestinians. isreal send warnings and messages for innocent palestinians to move away from known hamas strongholds. yet hamas dont give innocent palestinians such warnings when hamas take over civilian infrastructure and turn it into hamas hiding spots thus becoming possible target zones

If truly Israel is trying to or they are targeting Hamas as claimed why are they not only taking out the Hamas alone instead of innocent Palestine civilians. Lemme bring you back to what happened between Israel and Iran before the 12 days war. Israelis successful killed some Iran's top military commanders with precision strikes with missiles all the way from Israel to Iran without without much casualties, which simply means that they knew the exact people they were targeting. Now coming back to Gaza, it's different, they are burning the entire nation to the ground claiming that they are fighting Hamas.

[franky1]

If truly Israel is trying to or they are targeting Hamas as claimed why are they not only taking out the Hamas alone instead of innocent Palestine civilians. Lemme bring you back to what happened between Israel and Iran before the 12 days war. Israelis successful killed some Iran's top military commanders with precision strikes with missiles all the way from Israel to Iran without without much casualties, which simply means that they knew the exact people they were targeting. Now coming back to Gaza, it's different, they are burning the entire nation to the ground claiming that they are fighting Hamas.

follow the numbers atleast
if isreal wanted to do a starvation genocide.. knowing starvation can happen within weeks of lack of food. then 2m pop would be dead 2 years ago..
isreal would not have sent in any food..
.. but instead isreal is trying to feed gaza. the population is still above 2m
isreal just dont want to feed/supply hamas

if isreal was random firing innocent palestinians as a military genocide, isreal would not have sent in the warnings first to ask palestinians to move to safety..


knowing hundreds of thousands of homes, schools, hospitals were flattened. the death toll would have been over a million..
.. but why is the death toll not a million...

what you have to learn is that hamas occupied civilian infrastructure and laid boobytraps and underground tunnels which lead to the houses being flattened by both sides, but only after isreal sent warnings to the innocent palestinians to leave the area as now the area is set as being hamas strongholds.

with so much IED risk and tunnel hidy-holes to play whack a mole. manually searching every building and ensuring they are made safe would be a big task taking many risks and many years. the only option is really to just destroy the empty buildings.. clear the land and then at wars-end compensate and rebuild the land for the palestinians.. and yes isreal dont want to govern gaza, they want a peaceful civilian political party to control and govern gaza after the removal of hamas.

if hamas was never in gaza and never laid the traps and tunnels, gaza wouldnt have been in this mess

if hamas didnt hide in civilian infrustructure but created bases at the borders and battled at the borders.. like most wars do, the chaos within towns and cities would have been minimalism. if hamas didnt surround themselves with affiliates and family and coerced people. the collateral damage and causality numbers would have been less.
learn the tricks and tactics of hamas under the term "lawfare"
- tricks like government(hamas) seizure of civilian property
   - hiding in hospitals, schools, churches which are designated normally as protected from war
   - hiding weapons and tunnel entrances in civilian homes, including childrens bedrooms
- using aid insignias  
   - transferring weapons and ammo in aid supplies boxes/bags
   - wearing aid uniform as disguises to avoid getting hit


those that remained in the known hamas strongholds of civilian infrastructure became collateral damage, but were in most cases were people affiliated, related or coerced to stay with hamas to be used as human shields/martyrs to the hamas cause. so when you look at the number of hamas troops+collateral damage of affiliated people. and the count is ~60k. you will see most of it is hamas troops(~40k), their families, affiliates and those coerced/bribed/blackmailed into staying
.. much the same as the iran 12 day war where most non nuke scientist/tehran leaders casualties/collateral damage were the families of said nuke scientists and tehran leaders

even look at the incident at the nassar hospital in recent days.
if there were truly "millions starving to death" and thousands of innocents injured. the hospital would be full of patients for multiple reasons(nutrition and injuries).. but nope the hospital was virtually empty. instead it was used as a lawfare protection for hamas and its affiliates, where they used it as a surveillance military operation base to monitor IDF movements.. using guess what.. the "journalists" camera's to send intel to hamas troops.


the UN and hamas health minstry both admit that death statistics are co-mingling both palestinians and hamas troops
even the 'child starvation' numbers of hamas health ministry stats admit their number of <100 is co-mingled of children with comorbidities that made taking normal sustenance difficult. meaning most of the <100 were not actually starvation due to zero food access for months. but difficulty ingesting/digesting nutrients due to other illnesses

so with 1m youngsters in gaza and only <100 classed as died due to lack of nutrition, its not really a starvation plot
isreal sent in enough food to last 2m population until 2026. so if anyone is left hungry, ask yourself where the food went once inside gaza

if hamas did not exist in gaza, then normal customs transfers of lots more things like retail, industry and plenty more variety of food would freely flow into gaza. but because there is a war going on and hamas stealing(oops 'legally retrieving' according to UN) supplies. the amount that innocent palestinians get is very limited