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Author Topic: 🚨 BetFury - Systematic RTP Fraud Missing Keno Bet ($64) + False Claims  (Read 285 times)
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November 20, 2025, 12:53:13 PM
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U are calling it bets/hands/transactions or whatever. Whats the difference?

The only way the RTP of Blackjack changes is when the rules change. For example Blackjack pays 6:5 or no doubling after splitting.

U are saying house edge is collected by number of bets you lose more than you win. But u are using total wagered and total won in ur calculation.

U dodged the last question: Why are you still gambling?



Don't bother, these 2 blackjack loving clowns are resitant to logic. This post before ie yet another proof for that. A hand and a bet are the exact same thing and this idiot doesn't even get it, tries to lecture countless people in here with his nonsense. It would be actually sad if it wasn't so funny.  Grin

Anyway, let's just see these 2 as the official bitcointalk clowns and use them for our entertainment.

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November 20, 2025, 10:23:25 PM
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This looks more like a personal war against nutildah even if u were legitimate none would give u credibility. You have zero evidence and only rely on speculation and ''coincidence''.

"Zero evidence"?

BetFury's own email to me:
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"Your RTP for USDT bets is 94.07%, with 6,678 bets"
"Your RTP for BFG bets is 99.20%, with 6,982 bets"

My calculations: USDT 94.08%, BFG 99.22%
Difference: 0.01% (rounding error)

BetFury confirmed my calculations. That's not "speculation," that's THEIR confirmation.

Quote from: noviesol
Total Win / Total Wagered = RTP only applies when the betsize and conditions stays constant. If u are betting sizes vary from 0,10$ up to 1000$ it heavilly skews your statistics.

Wrong.

RTP = Total Won ÷ Total Wagered works REGARDLESS of bet size variation.

That's literally the definition. It's a ratio. Bet size doesn't "skew" it.

Example:
- Bet $1, win $0.99 back = 99% RTP
- Bet $100, win $99 back = 99% RTP 
- Bet $1 + $100 = $101, win $0.99 + $99 = $99.99 back = 99% RTP

The ratio stays constant. Basic math.

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You are not providing the strategy used while playing Blackjack this heavily impacts the amounts of hands u will win/lose.

Strategy affects win rate, not RTP by currency.

I used basic strategy. But that's irrelevant because:

Same player. Same strategy. Same game.
- BFG: 99.20% RTP
- USDT: 94.07% RTP
- BTTC: 71.15% RTP

Did my "strategy" magically change based on which currency I used?

No. The RNG discriminates by currency. BetFury confirmed it.

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Did you take into consideration the conversion rates used for your calculation.

BetFury doesn't convert currencies during play.

When you bet USDT, you win/lose USDT.
When you bet BFG, you win/lose BFG.

RTP is calculated in the SAME currency. No conversion involved.

Quote from: noviesol
The number of hands you win and lose does NOT determine the RTP.

I KNOW. That's why I analyzed BOTH separately.

Stop explaining things I already understand and address the ACTUAL evidence:

Same blackjack game has different RTPs by currency. BetFury confirmed this.

Explain it.

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If u are so negative about the whole gambling industry and think everything is rigged against you. Why are you still gambling?

I'm not gambling on BetFury anymore.

I documented the fraud, got their confirmation, now I'm exposing it.

That's not "being negative," that's accountability.

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT MATTERS:

BetFury confirmed:
- BFG: 99.20% RTP
- USDT: 94.07% RTP

I calculated:
- BTTC: 71.15% RTP

Same game. Different currencies. Different RTPs.

Is this discrimination or not?

Everything else is deflection.

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November 21, 2025, 12:07:15 AM
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What you're forgetting is that the more variance you have in bet size, the bigger the sample size you'll need to come up with a meaningful RTP. The only meaningful sample size you have is your USDT bets, where the losses are plausible and not high variance. The sample sizes you have for the other currency bets are far too small to perform any kind of meaningful analysis.

You don't have to take my word for it. Since you love Grok so much, I asked it what it thought of this thread, and if it had any merit, and this was its conclusion:



In fact, the number of bets you lose and win determine the RTP at Black Jack.

Most people here do not have the mental capability to understand the difference between hands and bets at Black Jack.




U are calling it bets/hands/transactions or whatever. Whats the difference?

That's hilarious. Partially because - after years of people correcting him/her - BlackyJacky continues to maintain the belief that RTP is calculated by wins/losses only (not taking into account Blackjack, splits, and double downs), and partially because you proved he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand the difference between hands and bets. Which puts them in the category of "most people", I guess.

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November 21, 2025, 02:24:35 PM
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"Zero evidence"?

BetFury's own email to me:
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"Your RTP for USDT bets is 94.07%, with 6,678 bets"
"Your RTP for BFG bets is 99.20%, with 6,982 bets"

My calculations: USDT 94.08%, BFG 99.22%
Difference: 0.01% (rounding error)

BetFury confirmed my calculations. That's not "speculation," that's THEIR confirmation.

This is not a confirmation. You’re just using a random quote claiming that BetFury verified your non-fundamental calculations.

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"Your RTP for USDT bets is 105.07%, with 10,128 bets"
"Your RTP for BFG bets is 251.20%, with 25,582 bets"

Look Betfury confirmed my calculations!

Wrong.

RTP = Total Won ÷ Total Wagered works REGARDLESS of bet size variation.

That's literally the definition. It's a ratio. Bet size doesn't "skew" it.

Example:
- Bet $1, win $0.99 back = 99% RTP
- Bet $100, win $99 back = 99% RTP  
- Bet $1 + $100 = $101, win $0.99 + $99 = $99.99 back = 99% RTP

The ratio stays constant. Basic math.

You just said in your previous post that Blackjack is a game where the house edge is not deducted from your winnings. Bet size does skew your results since you're using wagered amounts. U don't even account for the amount of Blackjacks u got where u get paid 1.5x.

If you use the formula below, then you're right that bet size doesn’t skew the outcome. But u arent using this.
Formula for Blackjack:
RTP =(P(player win)×+1)+(P(player blackjack)×+1.5)+(P(push)×0)+(P(player loss)×−1)

If u could fill this formula with your verified data. Where a double down count as ''2'' player wins/lose and split as a ''1/2'' player win/lose. U will have a solid case.

Strategy affects win rate, not RTP by currency.

I used basic strategy. But that's irrelevant because:

Same player. Same strategy. Same game.
- BFG: 99.20% RTP
- USDT: 94.07% RTP
- BTTC: 71.15% RTP

Did my "strategy" magically change based on which currency I used?

No. The RNG discriminates by currency. BetFury confirmed it.

Indeed, if you are using the same strategy, the RTP should not differ between currencies. However, your BTTC sample consists of only 220 hands, which is far too small a sample.
Also, I don't believe your betsize stays the same also as said before u don't account for amount of Blackjacks.

Quote from: noviesol
If u are so negative about the whole gambling industry and think everything is rigged against you. Why are you still gambling?

I'm not gambling on BetFury anymore.

I documented the fraud, got their confirmation, now I'm exposing it.

That's not "being negative," that's accountability.

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT MATTERS:

BetFury confirmed:
- BFG: 99.20% RTP
- USDT: 94.07% RTP

I calculated:
- BTTC: 71.15% RTP

Same game. Different currencies. Different RTPs.

Is this discrimination or not?

Everything else is deflection.

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Currently, What casino are you playing at? I will be expecting a new topic on that specific casino in a few weeks.
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Today at 01:01:52 AM
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Final verdict

Getting bad RTP on real-moey currencies while the house token performs better is normal and disclosed behavior, not secret fraud.

At Black Jack, the RTP is determined by your playing style and at Stake the maximum RTP is 99,5%

Why is the RTP higher when you play with the house token, while the RTP is determined by your playing style and not by the currency used?

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