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November 03, 2025, 03:54:56 PM
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Gambling is welcome in both Christian and Muslim religion here in my country and there is no such thing as gambling banned in any state thatbi can mentioned right now, but the truth about vats is that the federal government take such revenues and then disburse them back to the states, so if a state have a gambling banned their may be exempted frim the revenues allocations from gambling houses ot casinos running within their jurisdictions.

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November 03, 2025, 04:12:28 PM
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From all indications you are speaking about a secular national like Nigeria my country, and to say the facr not only gambling that suffer such segregated attacks from regional laws, even some goods and services that generates so much revenue to the federation are all banned and if intercepted, their will destroy it all of them.

Such products like Alcohols and etc are all among top revenue generating products, that are banned innthe Northern partbbe their revenue sharing get to North on monthly bases.

So i ask, if you say a things is against your religion, and is a sin why do you eat from the fruit of a sinful products, the people in the North shouldn't take revenue from those banned products and services.
Then you can say that they are hypocrites, there are many cases in this regard, and the most common word among the political world is that they condemn every activity that is prohibited in their culture but not with the money, it's always like that in this world, no one is completely clean.

They shouldn't receive money from the tax if they prohibit it in their area, but who cares when money talks?

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November 03, 2025, 04:19:17 PM
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A certain country has two major religions. This country can be broadly divided into the Southern and Northern zones. The religion of the people in the Southern zone permits gambling. So gambling activities are popular in this region and the government is making so much revenue through gambling taxes and licences. But the religion of the people on the Northern side forbids gambling. They have an agency that ensures strict enforcement of gambling restrictions. Gambling operations are more restricted than those of offenders, who can be imprisoned.

But during revenue sharing, the states in the Northern zone still benefit from the gambling taxes collected from the Southern region (since the revenue is collected by the Central government and shared with the states). Why would their religious beliefs command them to forbid gambling operations in their areas? But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.

Is it just?

When it comes to gambling IGR (Internal Generating Revenue), i believed it should be a state responsible top handle that from their respective constituencies and not for the federal government to decides on such, allocations for States are mostly from the Federal Government Purse and the same they also earn from the main source of income to the country, which i don't expect that gambling should be part, we are talking of petroleum, agricultural products and other exported raw materials that they generate income from, while their allocation is basically on the capacity of each states in terms of population and their own IGR.

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November 03, 2025, 04:22:59 PM
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As far as I know, every individual or race are entitled to their own beliefs, if the northern part of that country have unanimously agreed that gambling activities should be prohibited within their jurisdictions to the point that the government of the country have accepted it and enacted it as a law, the. It’s also left for the government to decide how the revenues gotten from gambling should be splitter amongst the state, besides it’s still one country, certain laws could be active in some areas of a country but that doesn’t mean revenues should also be limited to certain regions too, revenues should be for the whole country, whether a certain area contributes to generate that revenue or not.

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November 03, 2025, 05:26:52 PM
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You are bringing such good arguments to the table that we can actually see in our countries. After thinking it over, I did not come to one right solution, but somehow I understand it and will share it with you. They are applying the theory or concept of well-being for humans. When you are working for human well being, a state does not care about the source but rather about the target and how effectively they can approach it. Since the federal government is collecting the money, they purify it by spending it on the right things. One more thing, just as the southern part supports the northern part, the northern part may also support the southern part in some other projects where they don't have access. So my thought is that if the federal government is collecting, then it is not necessary for the southern part to think about whether it is good or not.

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November 03, 2025, 05:35:28 PM
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A certain country has two major religions. This country can be broadly divided into the Southern and Northern zones. The religion of the people in the Southern zone permits gambling. So gambling activities are popular in this region and the government is making so much revenue through gambling taxes and licences. But the religion of the people on the Northern side forbids gambling. They have an agency that ensures strict enforcement of gambling restrictions. Gambling operations are more restricted than those of offenders, who can be imprisoned.

But during revenue sharing, the states in the Northern zone still benefit from the gambling taxes collected from the Southern region (since the revenue is collected by the Central government and shared with the states). Why would their religious beliefs command them to forbid gambling operations in their areas? But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.

Is it just?
That is the kind of government that they have, I think it's a democratic country that you're describing and it's normal for the national government to distribute the revenues that they have from gambling in the southern part for the northern part even if they despise gambling. Religions play some cultures in the government and they are respecting it. We shouldn't only look at how they are contributing to these regions where in fact that they are also contributing for some other sources that the religious people or regions does for the entire country.



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November 03, 2025, 06:12:13 PM
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As far as I know, every individual or race are entitled to their own beliefs, if the northern part of that country have unanimously agreed that gambling activities should be prohibited within their jurisdictions to the point that the government of the country have accepted it and enacted it as a law, the. It’s also left for the government to decide how the revenues gotten from gambling should be splitter amongst the state, besides it’s still one country, certain laws could be active in some areas of a country but that doesn’t mean revenues should also be limited to certain regions too, revenues should be for the whole country, whether a certain area contributes to generate that revenue or not.
Most countries revenue sharing have a uniform patten and for that reason everything get splitted based on the revenue sharing formula on ground, this is why we see that even those countries that have banned on those things are the highest earners from the federation revenue allocation.

In my country we have a northern state where alcohol is banned and it product's get destroyed by the natives guides, but when federation revenue get shared their still get rhe highest share of the revenue due to their population amd other factors that make them to get fair share all the time.

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November 03, 2025, 06:14:35 PM
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Not everything is fair, the world is like that, things don't please everyone, in a way that displeases you, pleases people who think gambling is the work of the devil, anyway, the world is like that, nations are like that, society is like that, we have to adapt to the environment in which we choose to live, there's not much we can do about it.

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November 03, 2025, 06:40:55 PM
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Is it just?

Prohibiting gambling on principle while profiting from its proceeds may seem inconsistent. However, in centralized systems, I believe such contradictions are common. While religions that prohibit gambling often do so for ethical reasons, they consider gambling to foster greed, addiction, family breakdown, and exploitation. But the reality is that government funds are not categorized as gambling money, but rather as general funds, making it impossible for religion to know their origin. Therefore, they separate the source from the use of the funds.

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November 04, 2025, 09:24:49 AM
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But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.

Is it just?
In one country under one (central) leadership there are two problems in gambling behavior, but tax revenues are still shared equally, wow this is difficult to answer, because South and North are still under the same leadership.

But in my personal opinion, the central government can make the North Zone law that gambling taxes are not shared in the profits, to be fair, I think the Northern region should accept it, if they insist on sharing the taxes in the Northern Zone it is the same as being hypocritical, they still receive the profits from gambling activitiesnot allowed.
In my country, gambling is regulated and taxed by the state government I think just because of Muslims in the northern part requested for it because they do not want betting shops to be in their states, they succeeded and the federal does not do that anymore but left for the states to do it. Although, we are only deceiving ourselves because it is still very easy in my country to access online gambling sites in any states of the country without anyone knowing.

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In my country, gambling is regulated and taxed by the state government I think just because of Muslims in the northern part requested for it because they do not want betting shops to be in their states, they succeeded and the federal does not do that anymore but left for the states to do it. Although, we are only deceiving ourselves because it is still very easy in my country to access online gambling sites in any states of the country without anyone knowing.
But the federal government still collects excise duties and withholding tax from gambling companies. The state government collect taxes but the central government also collect some.

But some comments in this thread enlightened me. One of them is that the Northern region might be contributing financially in other areas. Since the revenue is centrally shared, every state should benefit from it.

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November 04, 2025, 04:45:20 PM
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Which country are you talking about? I do not believe this. If you mention the name of the country, I can make some findings about it. Or do you mean just as an instance but not what is happening in any country?

If it is the later that you mean, it is highly unfair, only people from the region that gambling is permitted should share the gambling revenue.
Actually, the OP did not mention which country he is talking about here, he mentioned the northern region and the southern region without mentioning it correctly. Actually, nothing can be considered about gambling by considering this world as the northern region and the southern region, but if he had mentioned a country and considering that country, he had mentioned the northern region and the southern region or the countries located north or south of that country, then a lot could have been considered. However, whether gambling is legal or illegal in a country depends on the government of that country. If the government of a country legalizes gambling, that is its personal matter and if it makes it illegal, that is its personal matter, but here the people must accept it and act accordingly.

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Why would their religious beliefs command them to forbid gambling operations in their areas? But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.


You can not get direct answer to this question but what you have to understand is that whatever revenue made from the gambling goes to the federation account which will be used for public budget. I don't think if it is provable that the revenues made from the gambling is being shared amongst the two jurisdictions.
Infact, government will not even tell you where they allocates the budgets from the gambling revenues. So I will suggest you don't have to trouble yourself over who benefits and who does not benefit it.
Just keep focus and enjoy your gambling life if you love gambling and residing in the Southerner side where gambling is permitted but I understand there is bias in the system.

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From all indications you are speaking about a secular national like Nigeria my country, and to say the facr not only gambling that suffer such segregated attacks from regional laws, even some goods and services that generates so much revenue to the federation are all banned and if intercepted, their will destroy it all of them.

Such products like Alcohols and etc are all among top revenue generating products, that are banned innthe Northern partbbe their revenue sharing get to North on monthly bases.
Actually, every religion has different beliefs and at the same time different customs. And I have seen in my little knowledge that almost all religions of the world have been told to stay away from gambling. Now, some religions practice the customs of their religion and some people do not and this does not mean that those who do not practice the customs of their religion will insult their religion or speak in a derogatory manner.
And that's why I think these things should be kept separate.
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So i ask, if you say a things is against your religion, and is a sin why do you eat from the fruit of a sinful products, the people in the North shouldn't take revenue from those banned products and services.
This is totally illogical thoughts,,,There is a vast difference between the fresh fruit given by GOD and the fruit juice that is processed by dissolving that fresh fruit and using various types of chemical alcohols. Now my point is that if the people of the southern states or the local government do not want to give the revenue of all these products to the people of the northern states, then they can request their nominated MPs or organize a movement. Throwing mud separately on this will only increase the toxicity.

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But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.
They are nation so, if the other side doesn't like gambling and the local leaders there are prohibiting gambling, that's fine if they are also consuming the gambling taxes. That's what taxes are for and that's for the benefits of the locals and other areas where it can be used. The revenue is spread across the nation and it's not only to those areas where they have prohibited gambling. We need to understand that there are countries that are like that and it's not a problem for us if they do that because, that's how the government functions for the best that it can be.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with this, and it is perfectly acceptable. It cannot be said that this is unfair. It must be understood that each region has its own autonomy and rules that are in line with the cultural values and beliefs of the majority of its people. When a region prohibits gambling, it is a form of respect for the moral and social principles of the local community.As for the central government's tax revenue, it should also be noted that the taxes collected by the state are not limited to one sector (gambling), but come from various sectors, where the central government collects taxes collectively from each region and then redistributes them to all regions in accordance with national policy. So, when the northern region receives a share of national income, it does not mean that they directly enjoy the proceeds from gambling, but rather it is part of the state financial distribution mechanism that applies to all regions.So this is not hypocrisy, but rather a consequence of the national financial system, which is designed to promote equity in every region without regard to religious or cultural differences.

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But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.
They are nation so, if the other side doesn't like gambling and the local leaders there are prohibiting gambling, that's fine if they are also consuming the gambling taxes. That's what taxes are for and that's for the benefits of the locals and other areas where it can be used. The revenue is spread across the nation and it's not only to those areas where they have prohibited gambling. We need to understand that there are countries that are like that and it's not a problem for us if they do that because, that's how the government functions for the best that it can be.
I think the best balance would be for gambling in a given country to be controlled, but not to the extent that it generates taxes that would go toward local amenities or social needs, especially for those in need of basic necessities like food, healthcare, or assistance for families with children. Furthermore, gambling shouldn't be made too easy, otherwise young people might start losing huge amounts of money, which would impact their future lives, including their birth rate. Therefore, it's essential to carefully consider all the nuances of gambling regulation and taxation.

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November 04, 2025, 06:48:02 PM
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But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.
They are nation so, if the other side doesn't like gambling and the local leaders there are prohibiting gambling, that's fine if they are also consuming the gambling taxes. That's what taxes are for and that's for the benefits of the locals and other areas where it can be used. The revenue is spread across the nation and it's not only to those areas where they have prohibited gambling. We need to understand that there are countries that are like that and it's not a problem for us if they do that because, that's how the government functions for the best that it can be.
Something similar to what the op stated happens in my country. I must say, it is not only gambling these people condemn and prohibit and it doesn't make it just that they are sharing in the benefits of what they condemn and even go as far as destroying in their own region. What makes it even more unjust is that no gambling related business is allowed to exist there, remember not just gambling alone. That's hypocrisy.

It would have been fair if they allow these businesses exist but with some restrictions that suits their religious practice. If they don't patronize the business, it's fine, but visitors can do so.

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I think the best balance would be for gambling in a given country to be controlled, but not to the extent that it generates taxes that would go toward local amenities or social needs, especially for those in need of basic necessities like food, healthcare, or assistance for families with children. Furthermore, gambling shouldn't be made too easy, otherwise young people might start losing huge amounts of money, which would impact their future lives, including their birth rate. Therefore, it's essential to carefully consider all the nuances of gambling regulation and taxation.
It goes back to the community and I think that a government that has this kind of setup really does well. They have rules that they're not allowing minors on it and mostly, the legal age is an important priority before they allow to enter a casino premise.

Something similar to what the op stated happens in my country. I must say, it is not only gambling these people condemn and prohibit and it doesn't make it just that they are sharing in the benefits of what they condemn and even go as far as destroying in their own region. What makes it even more unjust is that no gambling related business is allowed to exist there, remember not just gambling alone. That's hypocrisy.

It would have been fair if they allow these businesses exist but with some restrictions that suits their religious practice. If they don't patronize the business, it's fine, but visitors can do so.
Well, that's what religion could play a part in those areas that they are not allowing to have a gambling establishment. While the government understands and respects that, I agree to you that if they are also taking advantage of the tax benefits, they should allow it there for maximizing it but with strict restrictions on whom they're going to allow to enter.

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November 05, 2025, 02:05:17 PM
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Why would their religious beliefs command them to forbid gambling operations in their areas? But it doesn't prohibit them from collecting financial allocation realised from gambling taxes.
This is what we call hypocrisy. They should believe in what they want to and keep to their moral no matter what. Money shouldn't be the only time, deep religious believe should change from their fate.

In our world today, this is exactly how it happens and it should be amended. Well I have come tot he point where I dont let anyone's believe get to me. I have my own conviction and I stick to it.

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