Signature campaigns must be TAXED for redistribution

[vapourminer]

With the ray of hope brought by victories such as that of the great leader Zohran Mamdani, it is high time that Bitcointalk took a step towards social justice. It is unfair that some privileged members of the forum, who've had some unfair advantage, earn so much and others so little or nothing. To address this, the most reasonable solution is to impose a fee system for signature campaigns and avatars that exist on the forum so that this money can be redistributed to the most disadvantaged forum members.

i agree!

and.. and..

it should be backdated!! to the beginning!!

[bitmover]

With the ray of hope brought by victories such as that of the great leader Zohran Mamdani, it is high time that Bitcointalk took a step towards social justice. It is unfair that some privileged members of the forum, who've had some unfair advantage, earn so much and others so little or nothing. To address this, the most reasonable solution is to impose a fee system for signature campaigns and avatars that exist on the forum so that this money can be redistributed to the most disadvantaged forum members.

i agree!

and.. and..

it should be backdated!! to the beginning!!

And redistribute more taxes for minorities, such as women and LGBT 
Those people have less presence in the crypto industry,  they were always oppressed by white man who ruled here since the beginning of bitcoin times

[Catenaccio]

The system I propose is as follows: a minimum exemption of $20, on which no tax is paid. From $20 to $50, a 30% tax is paid. From $50 to $100, a 45% tax is paid. And anything in excess of $100 pays a 60% tax.

These are reasonable income tax brackets that resemble those of advanced countries with a high quality of life, such as Denmark.

I hope my left-wing friends on the forum will lead by example and enthusiastically support the idea.

Now, how about redistribution?

The forum is not the government, and people must file their tax reports individually to their governments.

I don't know it is ideally if the forum acts like a government, taxing forum members and redistribute it to other forum members. If there is such tax redistribution, I believe that KYC will be enforced mandatorily. Without KYC, you can not distribute money fairly in this forum.

In addition, if the forum does that, the forum head admins will have to file tax report with this activity included in the forum tax report to USA government too. It will become more complicated than what you imagined.

[hosemary]

This is a great idea and I agree with that.
Free Market Capitalist Regulated Market Socialist, I see theymos has merited your topic and I think it means that he will implement the new tax policy soon.


I also have a few suggestions and I hope theymos will take them into consideration.

• Apply an exit tax to those who decide to leave the campaigns
• Freeze rates and not allow campaign managers to increase them
• Pay the internet bills for all the newbies

[Free Market Capitalist]

I am surprised by most of the comments on the first page, which have failed to grasp the irony.

Unfortunate, 1st April 2025 is about 5 months away, so why did you have to hurry @Free Market Capitalist? This would have been a very good prank for the day!

Because inspiration struck yesterday. I wasn't going to wait five months.

This is a great idea and I agree with that.
Free Market Capitalist Regulated Market Socialism, I see theymos has merited your topic and I think it means that he will implement the new tax policy soon.

Yeah, so actually, going back to Regulated Market Socialism mode I was thinking, how about a parallel with "Defund the Police" and stuff? I think moderators should be fired and the unfair trust system abolished. We cannot continue to oppress people who have broken the rules because social and personal circumstances beyond their control have forced them to do so. Everyone has the right to rehabilitation, and through a system that does not penalize forum members for things that are not really their fault, we will achieve an ideal (forum) society in which, as John Lennon said in Imagine, the world will be as one.

[Cookdata]

Socialist: I'm going to squeeze the signature participants, take all from them and redistribute back to everyone including active members without campaign.
Signature Participants: Oh No!  The forum is dead, I'm leaving the forum. You can't take the everything and reshare back to everyone.

It's not that dip baby.

[bitbollo]

I was wondering this was a "BANNED WORD" in this forum or at least one of the WORST ARGUMENTS ( don't ask me why )

For sure I have seen this as one of the rarest places on Planet Earth with people providing helps by them. Perfect strangers in most of the cases ....   Without any kind of barrier based on location, color of skin, religion, economical status WHAT EVER!

[My 2 satoshi]
I would not see nothing strange to continue to help other fellow bitcoin passionate.

The real problem with any kind of taxation is to have a real "democracy" on that choice.  
Probably this is literally impossible and we are not still able to figure out the real reasons behind.  
Probably AI and even blockchain with transparency could implement a new way of thinking "more intellectual" and for this reason "more human".

A proposal like this has many questions un-answered.
What it should be the right point to give a start? How these must be collected? How it should it be managed? Who decides? What happens if someone would not use/join this "program"?
Are we sure this could not have a negative effect by pushing only spammers to keep posting ?
An option (other 2 satoshi, so here we have 4) it could be just give donation freely to forum and to users. This is already how it works nowadays, probably not the best system but definitely working.

[goldkingcoiner]

It is already taxed and redistributed.

The taxes imposed on us by our respective governments do this quite (in)efficiently already and it does not matter if you earn in fiat or BTC....
That is the real irony here.

[God Of Thunder]

Good Humour

You should have PM'ed theymos about it, and it could have been a lovely April Fool's event. Since theymos already noticed it, I assume theymos will plan something and announce it in April 2026. I am having a difficult time choosing forum members for my campaigns. You will notice that there are always some open positions in some campaigns. LM told me the other day that there are not enough members that he could accept for his campaigns.

I assume you also noticed that a lot of dormant accounts are now waking up seeing all those open slots in signature campaigns. This will be a nice opportunity for them to make some money. BTW, I see you are successfull with this topic so far.

[Nheer]

What about those with loan tags? I think they should be added to the list of the disadvantaged members of the forum   

[Free Market Capitalist]

What about those with loan tags? I think they should be added to the list of the disadvantaged members of the forum   

Well, as I said in my previous comment, the first step would be to fire all those repressive moderators and get rid of the trust system, so in this case tags would disappear from their profiles and no tags could be added. Then, of course those people that are victims of the circumstances and have been forced to default loans/scam/whatever should be beneficiaries of the redistribution towards an equal forum society. This includes banned members too.

Yes we can, yes we can!

[Finebone]

In every society earning is attribute to hard work, not emotion or pity. I see no reason why forum should be different, offer to reward for just being a member. Personal donations is always a welcome one, people who feel some persons are not benefiting enough from the forum can decide to make donations for them willingly and not through tax imposition.

Exactly bro, almost all society today earns based on hard work, so if his suggestion is made to happen, then it will kill the morals of the hard working members here, and additionally, what if most account that are in a campaign decides reduce their efforts like the unfortunate or disadvantage members as you called them, they decides not to put in more efforts like those disadvantage ones, believing that at the end of the day, the national cake must be shared, don't you think that this will make so many people not to do anything again since they know that at the end, they must get something, this act alone encourages laziness.

The forum is fighting against alts but this suggestion is another way to reward alts.

I just can't imagine this because some people are very good at looking for loopholes to exploit, and someone can have as high as 50 alt account if  something like this is ever implemented.

[m2017]

With the ray of hope brought by victories such as that of the great leader Zohran Mamdani, it is high time that Bitcointalk took a step towards social justice. It is unfair that some privileged members of the forum, who've had some unfair advantage, earn so much and others so little or nothing.

I didn't expect to see something like this here

At the beginning of the last century, in one northern country (which existed for no more than 70 years), they also "remembered" the idea of ​​universal justice and equality. Therefore, the new government decided to take away and deprive the most proactive individuals of everything they had and "fairly" distribute it among the rest. Unfortunately, nothing good came of this, but only hindered the country's development for a long time (and the people in power fairly distributed financial flows among themselves).

Everyone gets what they deserve (those who put in more effort have more advantages). In a competitive world, there can be no "fairness" a priori.

To address this, the most reasonable solution is to impose a fee system for signature campaigns and avatars that exist on the forum so that this money can be redistributed to the most disadvantaged forum members.

So, are you proposing to "incentivize" non-competitive users at the expense of the most active ones? This will deprive non-competitive users of the incentive to develop and improve. It will also undoubtedly impact the quality of posting and discussions, because why strive for "growth" if, under your proposal, they'll be fairly paid anyway?

Furthermore, "free" payments will attract crowds of lazy and uninitiated users to the forum simply to earn a free "salary" at the expense of other users.

If you care about the well-being of the "poor and disadvantaged," then what's stopping you from creating a fund, collecting funds (you can take the initial step by donating 1st), and distributing them to all the "disadvantaged forum members"?

[lovesmayfamilis]

With the ray of hope brought by victories such as that of the great leader Zohran Mamdani, it is high time that Bitcointalk took a step towards social justice. It is unfair that some privileged members of the forum, who've had some unfair advantage, earn so much and others so little or nothing.

I didn't expect to see something like this here

It's not hard to guess from the first lines of the thread that this is sarcasm. But even after the OP clarified out loud that he was joking, there are still people who, firstly, have no sense of humor, and secondly, are too lazy to read what was discussed above.

[Plaguedeath]

Well, as I said in my previous comment, the first step would be to fire all those repressive moderators and get rid of the trust system, so in this case tags would disappear from their profiles and no tags could be added. Then, of course those people that are victims of the circumstances and have been forced to default loans/scam/whatever should be beneficiaries of the redistribution towards an equal forum society. This includes banned members too.

The elites could use their power to avoid paying tax, how? they didn't apply the campaign and whenever we see their post, they wear a paid avatar and signature. They could give excuse if they only wear the avatar and signature just for a personal reason to promote their affiliate link.

I think the ending of this system is similar to signature ban, it make people not interested to be active.

The reward distribute towards member members is really mind blowing, it's like the government giving money to dead people.

[LoyceV]

The system I propose is as follows: a minimum exemption of $20, on which no tax is paid. From $20 to $50, a 30% tax is paid. From $50 to $100, a 45% tax is paid. And anything in excess of $100 pays a 60% tax.

I demand a treaty to avoid double taxation!

But to those who think that, I say you are fascists. No human being is illegal. Therefore, the forum must remain open so that anyone can register and benefit from this redistribution.

Typical government: tax middle class, but not the ultra rich. This shouldn't be implemented on Bitcointalk alone, this should be implemented in Bitcoin on a protocol level! I propose BIP666: Capital gains can instantly be taxed when funds are moved, so if someone moves 80,000 Bitcoin from 2011, 60% of that should automatically be redistributed to all poorer addresses on the blockchain.
Bring socialism to Bitcoin now!

I am also sure that my friends who support open borders policies will logically also support this great idea. The massive influx of new accounts to the forum can only be positive.

Theymos should also get rid of proxybans, I just had an AI spammer ask me to whitelist his brother:

Can you please unban user Mr. K. Black?
He's my brother, I wanted to help him create an account and he got banned

Without proxybans, this injustice wouldn't have occurred!

Nice try

Obviously, Admin just made a mistake when he requested to change his nickname to "Capitalist Free Market".

[ABCbits]

But to those who think that, I say you are fascists. No human being is illegal. Therefore, the forum must remain open so that anyone can register and benefit from this redistribution.

Typical government: tax middle class, but not the ultra rich. This shouldn't be implemented on Bitcointalk alone, this should be implemented in Bitcoin on a protocol level! I propose BIP666: Capital gains can instantly be taxed when funds are moved, so if someone moves 80,000 Bitcoin from 2011, 60% of that should automatically be redistributed to all poorer addresses on the blockchain.
Bring socialism to Bitcoin now!

Yeah, let's distribute 80000BTC to 57 million poorer address[1]. Everyone who have multiple address with non-zero balance would make a fortune.

[1] https://app.blockunity.io/charts/on_chain/bitcoin_non_zero_addresses

[bitbollo]

DO IT NOW!

Yeah, let's distribute 80000BTC to 57 million poorer address[1]. Everyone who have multiple address with non-zero balance would make a fortune.
[1] https://app.blockunity.io/charts/on_chain/bitcoin_non_zero_addresses

Just kidding

edit: old btc users will remember a coin that has used the "old address" as Proof of Claim (yes it was Clam coin).
Addresses from btc/ltc/doge can always be redeemed for this airdrop.

[LoyceV]

Yeah, let's distribute 80000BTC to 57 million poorer address[1]. Everyone who have multiple address with non-zero balance would make a fortune.

Why would you leave out the poorest of the poor? There are 1.4 billion empty addresses on-chain, who all deserve a $6 windfall!

[mindrust]

Let’s not bring taxes into this and let people have a space to breathe eh? If you bring taxes into the picture than the whole sig camp thing will die because casinos will demand passport scans to hire posters and seriously fuck that. I wouldn’t do that and no sane good poster I know would do it either.

It would also become another kick in the crypto’s privacy and then our crypto address will be known by the government and again, no sane person wants that.

Let’s drop the idea and keep this part of crypto government and tax free.