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Author Topic: How anonymous is the path:KYC -> Intermediate Wallet -> CoinJoin -> Cold Wallet?  (Read 377 times)
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November 24, 2025, 02:42:40 PM
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-After mixing send it to a new wallet or any KYC exchanges to start new trace.
I don't really think there is any need sending the coins back to a KYC platform after performing CoinJoin. What is the benefit of removing the trace to your physical entity and sending it back to the same place that links it back to you?

For me it is a waste of effort. It is better after Using CoinJoin to remove traces, you should send the coins to a different wallet address on a non-custodial platform. Alternatively, the best way to stay totally off grid is to use a No KYC exchange through Tor, acquire the coins and send them straight to self-custody, that way it would not be traced to your physical Identity. Also run your own full node with Tor to broadcast transactions directly to the network so as to maintain privacy when spending the coins and not patronize other third parties.

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November 27, 2025, 03:39:13 AM
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my topic was only born from my thought and curiosity about how to make BTC purchased from a KYC exchange "anonymous" and from my passion for OPSEC.
I find it hard to believe that someone who cares so much about privacy would willingly use KYC exchanges, though, unless for whatever reason you can't use TOR, don't want to deal with a decentralized market, etc. But if that's the case, then we have bigger issues to solve. Maybe you can obfuscate some of your address, but I do believe exchanges track your transactions and share their finding with each other to some extent. Heck, they can also flag you for random reasons. It's very easy to make a mistake that renders a lot of our practices useless, as mentioned. CMIIW.

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November 27, 2025, 12:58:37 PM
Last edit: November 27, 2025, 03:44:08 PM by Satofan44
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but I do believe exchanges track your transactions and share their finding with each other to some extent.
Cheesy Cheesy No, stop watching action spy movies. This happens with banks in well regulated, strict and organized environments like the European Union. It does not happen with random exchanges that are located everywhere in the world. They merely are connected to similar sources of data from which they receive information in regards to AML/KYC risk and blacklisted/tainted coins/addresses. This does not mean that they are actively sharing things directly with each other, it merely means that they use similar provides to stay compliant with laws. Perhaps in some extreme investigations such a thing does occur, but it does not happen for the normal user and low-level flags.

To make matters worse I know of some methods by which you can bypass the tainted coin thing, but I won't publicly post them. As a systems researcher, you wouldn't believe how basic some of the ways to "bypass" these systems are. They are extremely rudimentary and flawed in many ways: both technologically and philosophically (the receiver of tainted coins should not be punished for unknowingly receiving them, we don't seize cash bills that were used in illegal activities from random people either -- and most cash bills have been used in some crime).


OP, Coinjoin is shit for the most part. Your anonymity depends largely on what everyone else does who was part in the rounds in which you have participated. If your anonymity relies on the behavior of random average people then you have no anonymity at all. Instead just use Monero as an intermediary step and don't waste time discussing the concept of coinjoin. We have coinjoin in Bitcoin only because we have no better alternatives for providing any anonymity (note, any does not mean good anonymity).

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November 27, 2025, 03:30:30 PM
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To make matters worse I know of some methods by which you can bypass the tainted coin thing, but I won't publicly post them. As a systems researcher, you wouldn't believe how basic some of the ways to "bypass" these systems are. They are extremely rudimentary and flawed in many ways: both technologically and philosophically (the received of tainted coins should not be punished for unknowingly receiving them, we don't seize cash bills that were used in illegal activities from random people either -- and most cash bills have been used in some crime).
Technically Bitcoin with its fungibility and UTXOs can spread tainted coins on the blockchain, in many blocks and transactions so that it will become no longer tainted in the future. If a past tainted coin can not be cleaned up for becoming untainted coins, likely governments would consider most of bitcoins in circulation as tainted bitcoins.

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November 29, 2025, 11:14:34 AM
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If a past tainted coin can not be cleaned up for becoming untainted coins, likely governments would consider most of bitcoins in circulation as tainted bitcoins.
Which is why they would like all Addresses belonging to you to be put on a list under your name and every Bitcoin received or spent to have its owner identified through Know Your Customer.  They are already considering all Bitcoin to be 'Tainted', they only lack regulation to apply the consequences.

 
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December 03, 2025, 05:54:47 PM
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my topic was only born from my thought and curiosity about how to make BTC purchased from a KYC exchange "anonymous" and from my passion for OPSEC.
I find it hard to believe that someone who cares so much about privacy would willingly use KYC exchanges, though, unless for whatever reason you can't use TOR, don't want to deal with a decentralized market, etc. But if that's the case, then we have bigger issues to solve. Maybe you can obfuscate some of your address, but I do believe exchanges track your transactions and share their finding with each other to some extent. Heck, they can also flag you for random reasons. It's very easy to make a mistake that renders a lot of our practices useless, as mentioned. CMIIW.
I don't think exchanges track your transactions, I'm sure they only track the first transaction, so from the exchange to a non-custodial wallet for example, but from the non-custodial wallet, unless the person concerned is a wanted person or has committed crimes, the exchange no longer has any reason to keep an eye on future movements that will be executed.
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