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January 02, 2026, 07:47:54 PM
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Declaring "X is Y" isn't very convincing. Try "Privacy is necessary for censorship resistance" instead.
I understand that privacy is necessary for bitcoin to continue to be decentralized but is your statement that Privacy is necessary for censorship resistance in the context of bitcoin, cryptocurrency at large or just general? Because, I like to think that think that owning bitcoin isn't some kind of censorship resistance. I apologize in advance if I have misunderstood your statement.

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January 02, 2026, 07:55:32 PM
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That’s why I’ll always keep some monero in my portfolio no matter what happens to it. I don’t care if monero goes to $1 to $1 million. I’ll always hodl some. To me, monero is like a swiss bank in your pocket. Nobody can know how much and where you have your funds and that’s a great thing. I used to think the same thing for bitcoin but kyc/aml stuff almost killed btc’s privacy stuff and you know what, monero still survives without them, without exchange support. That’s huge. Last time i checked monero was above $400. Look how much it gained ever since the binance delisting. That’s powa.

I’ll accept btc as is. A global payment system and a reserve asset. For privacy? Nothing beats monero. Xmr the standard.

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January 02, 2026, 08:20:45 PM
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Privacy is freedom indeed with bitcoin, when we have bitcoin and go private in its acquisition and the way we hold on it, then we are going to be free from the government regulations and central authority that could deprive us from having the same privacy needed, we should understand the value in those that have also join in the struggle for this to be achieved in the past and even to this day, because they realized that only by such can we be free from censorship.

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January 02, 2026, 09:43:13 PM
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I agree privacy is important when comes to the whole practice of freedom, having a big brother always watching over us is incompatible with the idea of having power over our own choices or having self-determination in order to steer our life as we wished to do.

Though, I would not go as far as saying those people you mentioned were purposefully silenced by the government of the United States or the European Union, perhaps the case of Mcfree is the only one which is fishy enough to doubt he actually killed himself in a cell.

Anyways, this is a topic which rather belong to the politics section of the forum, as this has little to do with Bitcoin, Bitcoin has not even been mentioned in the main post of the thread...

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January 02, 2026, 10:14:51 PM
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Privacy is not total freedom but privacy is a kind of freedom that is very necessary, people seem to underestimate the effort of the cryptograph that this list of people brought in to the space which also amounted to bitcoin the core reason we are in this forum. Some people do not agree to the terms of freedom what it cost (rebel) but want it the most, governments are not are friends or representatives anymore they are more what we thought they are.

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January 02, 2026, 11:04:09 PM
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Privacy is important.  But most important right now is that Privacy remains a human right.  And that I can look for my own Privacy with out having to explain all my decisions to the Government because they decide to treat everybody like a terrorist all of a sudden.
The most important thing right now is people realizing that a human right does not magically grant them with any virtue. They must adopt certain habits to enjoy such privacy. People believe that because there is a human right to life, privacy, or free speech, these things can be taken for granted. But just as easily as such rights are written onto paper, they can also be undone.

You can't expect from the enemy to respect your right to privacy, or to life. You need to take action to secure that right yourself.

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January 03, 2026, 01:48:55 AM
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Please when sharing such link you be that concerned to add a link to it so that we can read directly from where you have source such information, as I am making this post, I am being papalized and put in state of confusion, and if that you didn't post here I wouldn't had known that John Is gone. Like how?
Yes As then or maybe few years back have been hearing about John McAfee and he usually endorse some of the start up projects which he normal post on his twitter page then  or would come to make post about specific coin and people would have to rush and buy just the way Elon Must has been doing over project that He Endorses. Anyway, RIP to him and I am responding to this topic according to the information you have passed here already.

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January 03, 2026, 04:30:23 AM
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The most important thing right now is people realizing that a human right does not magically grant them with any virtue. They must adopt certain habits to enjoy such privacy. People believe that because there is a human right to life, privacy, or free speech, these things can be taken for granted. But just as easily as such rights are written onto paper, they can also be undone.

You can't expect from the enemy to respect your right to privacy, or to life. You need to take action to secure that right yourself.
Human rights can be written in constitutions of many nations, if not all, but how governments respect their national constitutions and serve their citizens rightly and fairly, it's another thing in their national social governance. Not all countries and governments actually govern their nations, societies and treat their citizens based on constitutions.

We as individuals and citizens must know about this potential high risk and must be aware of governments' unreadiness to do that for citizens. The benefits of governments and citizens are clearly opposite with each other. Citizens want privacy, governments want to break it at all cost, so as citizens in any country, we must do enough learning and be careful with practice for privacy.

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January 03, 2026, 05:05:05 AM
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Who made their names publicly known, even famous, want to be known don't care about Privacy.

Do you think you are just saying something opposite to the fact?
Hal Finney publicly tweeted about his Bitcoin Core, full node run, about his Peer to Peer transaction with Satoshi Nakamoto.
Johm McAfee shilled many coins before he was arrested, imprisoned and died.

I don't know about the other people, but only two people John McAfee and Hal Finney are enough to debunk your point about privacy.

Not everyone can be like Satoshi Nakamoto, maintaining his privacy and staying anonymous forever, but you can't deny the contributions of Hal like that, only because he publicly announced these things doesn't mean he didn't value privacy, he and other members including Satoshi were dedicated to create something that would allow "us" to have financial privacy, and his tweets and announcements were important for creating initial awareness about Bitcoin and what they were working on, so I don't see why you are connecting that with him being capable of working on privacy-related stuff or not.

Hal Finney was a great asset, and he contributed greatly to the development, testing, and improvement of Bitcoin alongside Satoshi himself. They are the reason why we are here today, and they have created the market that allows us to make money today, give us profits through Bitcoin, because if they didn't do it, imagine how our life would have been right now, without Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies. I know, one might say that if they hadn't done it, someone else would've, but who knows?

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January 03, 2026, 03:44:42 PM
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Not everyone can be like Satoshi Nakamoto, maintaining his privacy and staying anonymous forever, but you can't deny the contributions of Hal like that, only because he publicly announced these things doesn't mean he didn't value privacy, he and other members including Satoshi were dedicated to create something that would allow "us" to have financial privacy, and his tweets and announcements were important for creating initial awareness about Bitcoin and what they were working on, so I don't see why you are connecting that with him being capable of working on privacy-related stuff or not.
I did not deny any contributions from Hal Finney.

He did many great things and he as well as his contributions are important parts of Bitcoin history that will be recognized and remembered forever. I only disagreed with OP that he added Hal Finney to his list of people who cared about Privacy, that is not true with Hal Finney. At least it is not true with Hal Finney and his contributions for Bitcoin project and Bitcoin community.

It's never right to say a person who was known, and announced his activities publicly to many people globally as a person who seriously cared about Privacy. This is a simply wrong point from OP, but I emphasized again that I did not undervalue any contributions from Hal Finney.

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I understand that privacy is necessary for bitcoin to continue to be decentralized but is your statement that Privacy is necessary for censorship resistance in the context of bitcoin, cryptocurrency at large or just general? Because, I like to think that think that owning bitcoin isn't some kind of censorship resistance. I apologize in advance if I have misunderstood your statement.

Without privacy, thieves will know who to rob and how much to steal from them. One could argue that theft is the strongest form of censorship.

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Snowden is still there and he's one of the believers of bitcoin and also a security expert that has shared so much to the world.
He is, but what have his revelations accomplished? Sure a small group of people has woken up by learning about the transgressions that are being done by the NSA and others. However, this seems to be a very tiny percentage of the total population. It seems that the NSA has continued its surveillance and probably expanded its reach as technology has advanced since. Ultimately nothing has changed.

A long list of people seem to be Privacy advocates but Privacy is becoming less and less important to the average human.  You see everybody around you giving up their information for free.  In fact, they are pretty much paying using their own information as the method of payment.  Serving Tik Tok and Meta all they want and need to feed the algorithm and bring more addictive short form videos to the front of the feed so the doom scrolling can continue.  Giving up Privacy because it takes only 2 minutes to start a new Bank Account.  And so on.
Don't confuse bank accounts with things that give up privacy. A bank account is a needed utility. Besides from the needed services, you do not have to use it. The amount of privacy there that is given up is very tiny compared to social media or other applications that track everything that you do and say to the tiniest detail. It is to these apps that humans are voluntarily sacrificing everything to. Nevertheless, you are right with your first point and that is that privacy is less important to the average human. They are manipulated and distracted easily, that is why the sheep analogy works so well. These days they give up their privacy for free, that is how little value they give themselves.

It is because of those people who are doing illegal activities that cause the exchange platform owners are forced to implement a KYC hence why there's an AML on every platforms that let's you exchange or even in a casino. The reason they have to do it is to avoid being seized by the feds when running an exchange platform. If you know about a mixer which defeats the purpose of AML are being seized by feds so if an exchange is the same where there's no KYC then there's a chance of it being seized by feds
This is not the reason, don't repeat government talking points. KYC does not prevent crime, criminals actively and easily get around KYC. It does not accomplish anything. It throws a wide surveillance net and hopes to catch a few fish in it. Surveilling the whole planet to catch a tiny amount of bad guys? Terrible trade off. KYC does not work.

The most important thing right now is people realizing that a human right does not magically grant them with any virtue. They must adopt certain habits to enjoy such privacy. People believe that because there is a human right to life, privacy, or free speech, these things can be taken for granted. But just as easily as such rights are written onto paper, they can also be undone.

You can't expect from the enemy to respect your right to privacy, or to life. You need to take action to secure that right yourself.
Complacency of the majority will be the enslavement of us all. That is why democracy is complete junk and it does not work.

Without privacy, thieves will know who to rob and how much to steal from them. One could argue that theft is the strongest form of censorship.
Well, a loss of freedom and an increase in risk tend to go hand in hand in most circumstances.



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