Running Bitok - 0.3.19 Mainnet

[maxfedfm]

Bitcoin lives without Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitok will live on. Better buy it while it's cheap and Elvis will regret what he did all his life. The Bitok story isn't over yet ,this  is just the beginning, an honest beginning.
 
 Everything is in the hands of the communes. Why do we need daddies? Daddy died.

I agree with this perspective.

Starting from scratch and pretending nothing existed before is not a solution. It’s an erasure. A project that simply clones itself and resets the chain abandons its own history, its users, and any credibility it once had. If the project truly had value, it should be able to survive this test. Real resilience means continuity. Discarding it sends a very clear message: that none of it was worth anything.

If no one is willing to put in the effort to maintain and protect what already exists, then perhaps the idea was never strong enough to begin with. That is simply natural selection at work.

Forks and reboots can have their place but they must respect continuity.

Bitcoin has been through a lot and now it is the King. This is the first blow and we have to take it and the behavior of the Tongpu is really very strange.

[BitokTycoon]

I’m pretty sure people have suggested that to tongpu and Elvis are one and the same or two people who know each other. Either way, it’s clear that we can’t work with them. I fully support a restart. Please, if anyone’s has news, post it on https://bitoktalk.xyz/index.php If we truly want to show that this had no value, we need to leave the original thread!

[devhazard]

It's a reasonable decision. If the project is restarted, we'll be happy to see you

Only one way I see this project staying alive is fork Bitok from some old block, roll back to the codebase before that Atom DEX (back when things were actually clean and transparent). Call it something like Bitok Classic

I’ve been down this road before on Zcash Classic and Ethereum Classic, contributing in code, backing the whole community vision thing. Sounded dope on paper… but look where they all ended up. Cool ideas, zero real success

BTW, I have serious concerns about Tongpu’s actions and ideas.

The idea of rolling back the chain is insane. That’s not how a blockchain is supposed to work. You don’t rewrite history just because it’s inconvenient. Rolling back to an earlier block height could effectively restore previous balances, potentially undoing past dev sell offs and pump and dump activity. This raises serious concerns and opens the door for abuse.

The timing also looks very questionable shutting down the pool right after a small bump and at peak difficulty doesn’t make sense. Things seem rushed and inconsistent, which should make everyone cautious. He seemed very passionate about this project, but now he just looks cold and reckless.

Yesterday morning, he knew- he fucked up

[wqy2706113]

This chain is dead for six hours without a block and quickly reopens.

[garmin]

Bitcoin lives without Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitok will live on. Better buy it while it's cheap and Elvis will regret what he did all his life. The Bitok story isn't over yet ,this  is just the beginning, an honest beginning.
 
 Everything is in the hands of the communes. Why do we need daddies? Daddy died.

I agree with this perspective.

Starting from scratch and pretending nothing existed before is not a solution. It’s an erasure. A project that simply clones itself and resets the chain abandons its own history, its users, and any credibility it once had. If the project truly had value, it should be able to survive this test. Real resilience means continuity. Discarding it sends a very clear message: that none of it was worth anything.

If no one is willing to put in the effort to maintain and protect what already exists, then perhaps the idea was never strong enough to begin with. That is simply natural selection at work.

Forks and reboots can have their place but they must respect continuity.

Bitcoin has been through a lot and now it is the King. This is the first blow and we have to take it and the behavior of the Tongpu is really very strange.

This was the last shitcoin straw for me.  No more shitcoins ever. it's not worth the bullshit.

[maxfedfm]

 The farm's miners increased the network's hashrate, the network's difficulty increased, the farm's miners left, the difficulty remained. The difficulty should change on the block 26208 , blocks don't arrive and the difficulty cannot be changed , the network is sleeping, there is not enough hashrate.
 If the hashrate rises to block 26208 and then the hashrate drops again, history will repeat itself. Because there is no Emergency Difficulty Adjustment (EDA) in the code of Bitok , unscheduled complexity reduction mechanism.
Bitcoin doesn't have it either. This loop will repeat itself constantly.
  The same story happened with Bitcoin Cash (BCH) in 2017y. Bitcoin Cash added EDA
  
We need to fork from block 25542 and save all the coins. Elvis Presley could do it, but he died.  I'm for a fork; there's no other solution.

[BitokTycoon]

The farm's miners increased the network's hashrate, the network's difficulty increased, the farm's miners left, the difficulty remained. The difficulty should change on the block 26208 , blocks don't arrive and the difficulty cannot be changed , the network is sleeping, there is not enough hashrate.
 If the hashrate rises to block 26208 and then the hashrate drops again, history will repeat itself. Because there is no Emergency Difficulty Adjustment (EDA) in the code of Bitok , unscheduled complexity reduction mechanism.
Bitcoin doesn't have it either. This loop will repeat itself constantly.
  The same story happened with Bitcoin Cash (BCH) in 2017y. Bitcoin Cash added EDA
  
We need to fork from block 25542 and save all the coins. Elvis Presley could do it, but he died.  I'm for a fork; there's no other solution.

The ongoing debate is a fork from a block or a total reset. I suggest a reset. Tons of this coin was pre mined so the network is already unfair. The network needs a fresh start. BTW, is anyone working on getting a new network up?

[maxfedfm]

The farm's miners increased the network's hashrate, the network's difficulty increased, the farm's miners left, the difficulty remained. The difficulty should change on the block 26208 , blocks don't arrive and the difficulty cannot be changed , the network is sleeping, there is not enough hashrate.
 If the hashrate rises to block 26208 and then the hashrate drops again, history will repeat itself. Because there is no Emergency Difficulty Adjustment (EDA) in the code of Bitok , unscheduled complexity reduction mechanism.
Bitcoin doesn't have it either. This loop will repeat itself constantly.
  The same story happened with Bitcoin Cash (BCH) in 2017y. Bitcoin Cash added EDA
  
We need to fork from block 25542 and save all the coins. Elvis Presley could do it, but he died.  I'm for a fork; there's no other solution.

The ongoing debate is a fork from a block or a total reset. I suggest a reset. Tons of this coin was pre mined so the network is already unfair. The network needs a fresh start. BTW, is anyone working on getting a new network up?

 These tons of coins were bought, money was paid for them, this will undermine trust forever

[BitokTycoon]

The farm's miners increased the network's hashrate, the network's difficulty increased, the farm's miners left, the difficulty remained. The difficulty should change on the block 26208 , blocks don't arrive and the difficulty cannot be changed , the network is sleeping, there is not enough hashrate.
 If the hashrate rises to block 26208 and then the hashrate drops again, history will repeat itself. Because there is no Emergency Difficulty Adjustment (EDA) in the code of Bitok , unscheduled complexity reduction mechanism.
Bitcoin doesn't have it either. This loop will repeat itself constantly.
  The same story happened with Bitcoin Cash (BCH) in 2017y. Bitcoin Cash added EDA
  
We need to fork from block 25542 and save all the coins. Elvis Presley could do it, but he died.  I'm for a fork; there's no other solution.

The ongoing debate is a fork from a block or a total reset. I suggest a reset. Tons of this coin was pre mined so the network is already unfair. The network needs a fresh start. BTW, is anyone working on getting a new network up?

 These tons of coins were bought, money was paid for them, this will undermine trust forever

That’s why a full reset is the only path forward.

[roy-aron09]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

[Laheeboo]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

[d3bian]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

Explorer down
Pool down
The whole Network is down, relaunch is the best option for Bitok.

[BitokTycoon]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

The project is too much of a mess. Also the name is tarnished now, it’s possible we’ll have to change the name. And we don’t know that the devs sold all their coins.

[roy-aron09]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developers? where did they go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?
make a new project, if you don’t have coins, leave this one alone, if you can’t help, we’ll figure it out without your restarts

[DuinoTycoon]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developers? where did they go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?
make a new project, if you don’t have coins, leave this one alone, if you can’t help, we’ll figure it out without your restarts

First of all, we don’t know that the devs sold everything, second there isn’t much money left in this project. If you have any, sell it now and use the funds to buy the coins on the restart.

[Laheeboo]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developer? where did he go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?

my coins have been pending for 2 days to go to an exchange so they can be sold before it hits 0
over a month of our time and money and effort and you wanna ask us about commitment?
when you go down a road and you see it's not going well. you stop and turn back. you don't just keep going hoping it'll magically become good.
I will only join this project if it was hard restarted from 0
to keep on going on something that scammed us and want to do it again expect something else is pure insanity.
no one knows all the devs wallets
no one knows how much he had and how much he sold
and even if he comes out and says he's out of coins I won't believe it. and neither should you.

the restart is purely the only way we make sure the coins produced are produced by the miners and not premined or mined super early when no one was on the network but a handful of people before this became public, unless you have a way to track and verify every bitok and able to show everyone publicly that the project coins are 100% owned by the miners then you can't meaningfully restart the project.

trust me I understand the hurt you have, and the time, effort, and money, you wasted to get your coins, that's all of us too not just you.

[roy-aron09]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developers? where did they go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?
make a new project, if you don’t have coins, leave this one alone, if you can’t help, we’ll figure it out without your restarts

First of all, we don’t know that the devs sold everything, second there isn’t much money left in this project. If you have any, sell it now and use the funds to buy the coins on the restart.

We all know well, we are not little children, or we don’t know, maybe you developed it and that’s why you want a restart.
Why are you telling me to sell? for pennies?

[Laheeboo]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developers? where did they go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?
make a new project, if you don’t have coins, leave this one alone, if you can’t help, we’ll figure it out without your restarts

First of all, we don’t know that the devs sold everything, second there isn’t much money left in this project. If you have any, sell it now and use the funds to buy the coins on the restart.

We all know well, we are not little children, or we don’t know, maybe you developed it and that’s why you want a restart.
Why are you telling me to sell? for pennies?

Roy, you are right and we are all wrong.

don't sell keep your coins. do what you want.

If you don't want to sell you can keep your coins no one is telling you to do anything we're all thinking logically and not emotionally.

keep mining if you like it won't hurt me a bit. and hey if you want cheap coins mine will be listed as soon as the confirmation is over ... oh wait .. that might never happen.

I truely want the best for you and everyone else, if that meant restarting, ignoring or deleting this project so be it, I personally lost enough.

[roy-aron09]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developer? where did he go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?

my coins have been pending for 2 days to go to an exchange so they can be sold before it hits 0
over a month of our time and money and effort and you wanna ask us about commitment?
when you go down a road and you see it's not going well. you stop and turn back. you don't just keep going hoping it'll magically become good.
I will only join this project if it was hard restarted from 0
to keep on going on something that scammed us and want to do it again expect something else is pure insanity.
no one knows all the devs wallets
no one knows how much he had and how much he sold
and even if he comes out and says he's out of coins I won't believe it. and neither should you.

the restart is purely the only way we make sure the coins produced are produced by the miners and not premined or mined super early when no one was on the network but a handful of people before this became public, unless you have a way to track and verify every bitok and able to show everyone publicly that the project coins are 100% owned by the miners then you can't meaningfully restart the project.

trust me I understand the hurt you have, and the time, effort, and money, you wasted to get your coins, that's all of us too not just you.

I know that I don’t know anything - this can be applied to everything, we are not little children to draw adult conclusions.
What does the analogy with the road have to do with this? You can apply many other different analogies - you cannot be born again or there is no life without mistakes, both for a person and for a project.
So the relaunch is beneficial only to the developers, who can agitate for it here under new nicknames.
If your deposit is really stuck, you just need new developers to come, and the network will be restored and your deposit will arrive.
And if there are no new developers, no restart will help)))

[BitokTycoon]

Why do a restart? This can only be offered by developers who have sold all their coins.
We need to continue the current project, increase the price of coins, so that the developers bitterly regret it.
We just need to move to a release without an atom and solve the problem with recalculating the difficulty.
I'm against the restart.

how do you know the dev sold all his coins? and the dev buddy did too??
we all invested and lost time and money in this project not just you,. if it's up to us we would at least get our money back before restarting or changing.
the fact is the cleanest best way to save this project is to restart it from 0 and start mining from 0 no pre mine no dev big bag

and who sold it then, if not the developer? where did he go then?)
this is a very simple logic) a restart is beneficial only to those who sold)
if you have coins in your hands and you did not sell them before the price fell, a restart is not beneficial to you, it is only beneficial to those who sold, like 2+2
The code is working, you need to finish it a little, there are still a lot of coin holders left, do you want to cheat everyone with your restart?
this applies to everyone who proposes a restart, where are your coins, where is your commitment to the project?

my coins have been pending for 2 days to go to an exchange so they can be sold before it hits 0
over a month of our time and money and effort and you wanna ask us about commitment?
when you go down a road and you see it's not going well. you stop and turn back. you don't just keep going hoping it'll magically become good.
I will only join this project if it was hard restarted from 0
to keep on going on something that scammed us and want to do it again expect something else is pure insanity.
no one knows all the devs wallets
no one knows how much he had and how much he sold
and even if he comes out and says he's out of coins I won't believe it. and neither should you.

the restart is purely the only way we make sure the coins produced are produced by the miners and not premined or mined super early when no one was on the network but a handful of people before this became public, unless you have a way to track and verify every bitok and able to show everyone publicly that the project coins are 100% owned by the miners then you can't meaningfully restart the project.

trust me I understand the hurt you have, and the time, effort, and money, you wasted to get your coins, that's all of us too not just you.

I know that I don’t know anything - this can be applied to everything, we are not little children to draw adult conclusions.
What does the analogy with the road have to do with this? You can apply many other different analogies - you cannot be born again or there is no life without mistakes, both for a person and for a project.
So the relaunch is beneficial only to the developers, who can agitate for it here under new nicknames.
If your deposit is really stuck, you just need new developers to come, and the network will be restored and your deposit will arrive.
And if there are no new developers, no restart will help)))

Explain your logic on why a restart is better for developers who potentially have coins in the project right now. Consider that if we went back in time in blocks to before the ATOM, the devs would have even more coins to sell. If we continue from here the devs sell their remaining coins when the price goes even higher.