China taking over the world without military actions.

[Wind_FURY]

In the 1980s and before, history recorded that China was one of the poorest countries, but now in just a few decades, China has become a country with a fairly strong economy and has become one of the strongest competitors of the US, having a major influence in almost every region.

That's because thanks to the United States' policy mistake of out-sourcing jobs and production to China, India, and other Asian countries.

In fact, now many countries are economically dependent on China.

But it's not only to China.

China is also dependent on importers of their products. If the economies of those countries crash, China's economy will also crash.

Besides the diplomacy that they have built quite strongly, there is a misperception that "China rules the world without military action." And we can see this from what they did in the South China Sea, which is trying to intimidate countries in Southeast Asia through the military power they have. And if indeed China could completely rule the world without military action, perhaps they would not continue to strengthen their military power and even at this time China is the country with the third strongest military power in the world.

Mere posturing. They will NEVER go to war directly with the U.S., they are SCARED.

[colinistheman]

In the 1980s and before, history recorded that China was one of the poorest countries, but now in just a few decades, China has become a country with a fairly strong economy and has become one of the strongest competitors of the US, having a major influence in almost every region.

That's because thanks to the United States' policy mistake of out-sourcing jobs and production to China, India, and other Asian countries.

The mistake of the US and the West is not about moving technology and production chains to China. Because, in fact, these things help them reduce costs, maximize profit and especially reduce environmental pollution. That makes the US and Western countries the most livable countries in the world.
Their mistake was underestimating China's capabilities, assuming that Asians lacked the ability to learn, innovate, and self development. In their eyes, these backward Asians would forever remain mere hired laborer.

If I remember correctly, Beijing used to be the most polluted capital in the world due to rare earth mining and other industrial activities. They had to endure a lot during that period to get to where they are today.

Mere posturing. They will NEVER go to war directly with the U.S., they are SCARED.

I think they both understand that a direct conflict between them would be the end of humanity. All great works and research will disappear if war break out. Therefore, a scenario in which countries possessing nuclear weapons directly confront each other is unlikely.

[Byebyebtc]

I agree with what you said, other countries use military power to obtain achievements, like territory, trade interest etc

But China do not use military threat even if their military is among the best in the world today, they rather use other tools like investment interest, economy power etc, which is a peaceful, intelligent, and a strategic way to achieve from other nations where by building something more that we can even imagine.
I wonder how much they will achieve or what they will become in the next 10 years from now it might be extremely threatening to us.

[DrBeer]

China is taking over the world primarily because it has the largest reserves of rare
earth minerals, these are essential for almost everything in todays technological
world, computers, smartphones, microchips, weapons, cars....

https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/critical-metals-investing/rare-earth-investing/rare-earth-reserves-country/

They also have been able to attract almost all top level industry to have their goods
manufactured in China and its almost like there is no other place which can compete
with that power.


Trump and every other leader knows this, he has tried to bring manufacturing back
to the US and is also the main reason behind his grab at Greenland - resources.

As strange as it may sound, China has overheated its economy and made it critically dependent on EXPORTS. The Chinese economy is purely EXPORT-oriented! For several years now, China's economy has been feeling, to put it mildly, not very well, and the government is trying to keep it afloat. However, China's recent attempts to position itself as the second pole of a bipolar world and declare its geopolitical ambitions have led to China losing RICH markets such as the EU, the US, and other developed countries. The Chinese economy cannot survive on supplies from Asian, African, or South American countries alone. The reason is simple: state subsidies support manufacturers who are trying to capture large and highly profitable markets. For example, the EU car market. There are many consumers here who are willing to pay a lot of money (compared to mass buyers, for example, in Africa).
The result is the loss of a “rich market” = migration to poorer markets = a decrease in the cost of manufactured goods = a decrease in quality = a decrease in state subsidies and investments = the degradation of industrial production. Many people write and talk about this, although China publicly declares that “everything is fine.”

As for rare earth materials, there is no huge shortage; it's just that until recently, many countries simply did not develop their deposits because it was cheaper to get everything from China. But now the situation is changing. The world can survive without Chinese lithium, but how will China survive without Western investors and technology, and, most critically, without Western markets?

I do not know what the Chinese economy will be like in the coming year but there is one truth we have to acknowledge, whether we like it or not. It took them just three decades to rise to become the world's second largest economy, and they have maintained that position since 2010. They are the only country that can compete with the US at the moment.

Furthermore, the global economy is a tightly interconnected chain. This means that all countries are interdependent, no country can survive in isolation. China needs the US market, Europe, and other continents. Conversely, the Us and Europe also need China. Do not distort the truth by claiming that only the US and the West can control the world just because you hate China for supporting Russia.

Yes, in 30 years they have reached the level you mentioned. BUT, we must take all factors into account. They did not achieve this on their own, but with the help and thanks to Western investment and technology! China was also integrated into the Western and global economy by Western countries. The fact that the Chinese worked hard to achieve their goals is undoubtedly worthy of praise and respect!
It was a mutually beneficial, symbiotic relationship. In recent years, China has forgotten who it owes its rise to and has decided to play “god on earth.” We will see how this ends.

Regarding the US and the West, as you put it, “controlling the world,” I can only say one thing: if their actions do not harm me and they act as “policemen” to maintain order, I agree with this idea, because someone has to do it. And I'm not even opposed to it being China. But there is a nuance here too — China is now actively supporting some countries that not only do not want peaceful coexistence with others, but are also waging aggressive and terrorist wars. To put it very briefly, a policeman cannot serve criminals.
       

[blockman]

I agree with what you said, other countries use military power to obtain achievements, like territory, trade interest etc

But China do not use military threat even if their military is among the best in the world today, they rather use other tools like investment interest, economy power etc, which is a peaceful, intelligent, and a strategic way to achieve from other nations where by building something more that we can even imagine.

In our shores, they're using their military specifically their navy. They're water bombing our fisherfolks because even in the 9-dash line, our territory is what they consider theirs. Although I know that this is what they do in other countries, they're very wise through having a trade deal so that they're taking over such markets that cannot be handled by the countries that they deal with. So while it's all happening, other countries that are against with China's gaining deals and network doesn't like what they do.

I wonder how much they will achieve or what they will become in the next 10 years from now it might be extremely threatening to us.

It really is, they're bullies and strong in terms of money and military.

[Webutxo]

I agree with what you said, other countries use military power to obtain achievements, like territory, trade interest etc

But China do not use military threat even if their military is among the best in the world today, they rather use other tools like investment interest, economy power etc, which is a peaceful, intelligent, and a strategic way to achieve from other nations where by building something more that we can even imagine.
I wonder how much they will achieve or what they will become in the next 10 years from now it might be extremely threatening to us.

China are very dynamic in ways they take territory, they don't involve war, threat or anything that will cause havoc to people, they simply look at what countries that feel superior over other does to other countries and they do the opposite, that's how they attract countries through friendship, loyalty and long term commitment.

How many countries has given low interest like China, in return they sign Memorandum to buy their resources, they don't milk unlike some other countries that will provide aid and medical support. By the time countries with these free resources refuses to sell again, they cut ties and refuse to provide medical aid again, you will never see China do this which is why you hardly see them on media for bad records.

There was a time people don't trade with China because the top chains used the word fake to demarket China products, they don't want people to buy their products but over time, everyone realized how perfect their product looks. Now, many people don't wait for them to buy, the go to their factory to buy, that's the beauty of working with Chinese manufacturers, you can cut ties with the wholesalers and retailers and go directly to the factory, this rarely happens in other countries that feel superior with their products.

[Wind_FURY]

In the 1980s and before, history recorded that China was one of the poorest countries, but now in just a few decades, China has become a country with a fairly strong economy and has become one of the strongest competitors of the US, having a major influence in almost every region.

That's because thanks to the United States' policy mistake of out-sourcing jobs and production to China, India, and other Asian countries.

The mistake of the US and the West is not about moving technology and production chains to China. Because, in fact, these things help them reduce costs, maximize profit and especially reduce environmental pollution. That makes the US and Western countries the most livable countries in the world.

Their mistake was underestimating China's capabilities, assuming that Asians lacked the ability to learn, innovate, and self development. In their eyes, these backward Asians would forever remain mere hired laborer.

If I remember correctly, Beijing used to be the most polluted capital in the world due to rare earth mining and other industrial activities. They had to endure a lot during that period to get to where they are today.

Reducing costs or not, it IS a mistake. Now the U.S. is dependent on China, India, and the other Asian nation-states.

They didn't underestimate China either, they merely went on the path towards "Globalization", and currently Trump is fighting back against it.

Mere posturing. They will NEVER go to war directly with the U.S., they are SCARED.

I think they both understand that a direct conflict between them would be the end of humanity. All great works and research will disappear if war break out. Therefore, a scenario in which countries possessing nuclear weapons directly confront each other is unlikely.

But while the United States want to do what they want to do, China is doing nothing to stop it. They merely talk and warn.

[knowngunman]

Yeah they are gunning for Taiwan

The world now has 3 super villains.

USA
Russia
China

They will all be grabbing and annexing land and countries.

Times will be very hard the next 10 years for any smaller weaker country.

If you were given the power to choose only ONE world super villain to exist, making the other two non-existent - Which ONE would you choose and WHY?

Plus for the people who would answer that question, don't be offended whatever the answer may be. We're only discussing hypotheticals.

Is China fitted in this category? I really don't see them as villain

BTW, as you already put it, I will gladly choose China to be the only super villain over the other two. Russia is my second choice and USA the third if I should put them on the scale of preference. China partnership with any country is to bring pure development without much strings attached. USA partnership is all about political influence and control of the partner nations indirectly. USA is self centred with little regards to their partners and that's what I called real villain.

[justdimin]

In the 1980s and before, history recorded that China was one of the poorest countries, but now in just a few decades, China has become a country with a fairly strong economy and has become one of the strongest competitors of the US, having a major influence in almost every region.

That's because thanks to the United States' policy mistake of out-sourcing jobs and production to China, India, and other Asian countries.

"Mistake" here would be wrong word to use. They have preferred to use China themselves, but also it was clear that China was doing that even if USA didn't use it, as in China was manufacturing things of their own even back then, and that would result with cheap alternative versions of many products, and sometimes the only product.

Yes, you can get a LV bag, that was made in China, original, from LV themselves and pay a ton of money, or you could buy any ordinary bag, made in the same exact factory, using the same exact materials, for 10% of the price, why not? This was true since 90's and China would have grown even if those companies didn't use them. Maybe not as fast, or this big, but they would be still doing alright.

[Wind_FURY]

Yeah they are gunning for Taiwan

The world now has 3 super villains.

USA
Russia
China

They will all be grabbing and annexing land and countries.

Times will be very hard the next 10 years for any smaller weaker country.

If you were given the power to choose only ONE world super villain to exist, making the other two non-existent - Which ONE would you choose and WHY?

Plus for the people who would answer that question, don't be offended whatever the answer may be. We're only discussing hypotheticals.

Is China fitted in this category? I really don't see them as villain

That's not the point. "Villain" is subjective in this matter. They can all be villains and they can not be villians.

BTW, as you already put it, I will gladly choose China to be the only super villain over the other two. Russia is my second choice and USA the third if I should put them on the scale of preference. China partnership with any country is to bring pure development without much strings attached. USA partnership is all about political influence and control of the partner nations indirectly. USA is self centred with little regards to their partners and that's what I called real villain.

I respect your opinion. But I personally believe that if China was to choose one "villain" to exist together with, it would be the U.S. rather than Russia. It would also be the same for Russia if given a choice between the U.S. and China.

[shield132]

China is taking over the world stage without any military actions. All good students on  history will bear me witness that, power has always been taken over by force and military might in the past all global powers has been taken over by military actions. But China the second largest economy in the world and the most populated country in the world is taken over power in the world stage subtly as they continue to expand their interest in all continent without firing a single shot.

How has China been able to do this.

China has been able to successfully lay grib on the rest of the world by  investing in infrastructure and what China terms as strategic investments. Digital networking, investing in infrastructure such as Rail way, power stations, building of hospital and schools, and finally systems. Another thing to consider too is investments in
the world Rare earth minerals and natural resources this is the new world order and China is leading on this areas no wonder more countries are aligning with china. While the West and American is concerned more about using force and military actions to enforce their will on others country just as we are experiencing in the world  today. China is busy expanding more influence on the rest of the world. This is going to count moving forward.

Wars change. From sticks to stones to knives to spears to swords to guns and etc. I would say that today we live in a world where economics is the major weapon in war but after seeing what happened in Venezuela, maybe I'm wrong and weapons still decide the fate of the war. You can build your empire with economic influence but if someone manages to capture your president the way USA did to Venezuela, then all of your economic influence and power can be managed by a person pushed by a country that captured your previous president.
Both, economic and military strength matters in today's world. It's nice if you don't need to trigger a bullet but you should always be ready for that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

[Hanadawa]

Mere posturing. They will NEVER go to war directly with the U.S., they are SCARED.

I think they both understand that a direct conflict between them would be the end of humanity. All great works and research will disappear if war break out. Therefore, a scenario in which countries possessing nuclear weapons directly confront each other is unlikely.

Nuclear weapons are the main reason why nuclear powers like the United States, China, Russia, Israel, France, and North Korea have never engaged in direct confrontation. Although the United States is stronger and possesses more sophisticated military power, if it attacked China, a Chinese nuke would be capable of destroying America. Despite the protection of the Golden Dome, the risk of war with a nuclear power would be enormous. China also does not want open confrontation with the United States because it knows nuclear weapons could destroy Chinese civilization.

So, both are competing for economic hegemony. And so far, China has the advantage. However, the diplomatic power of the United States and its allies could pose a threat to China's economic power. I believe both China and the United States are engaged in economic warfare, competing for dominance in controlling the world economy.

[Wind_FURY]

China is taking over the world stage without any military actions. All good students on  history will bear me witness that, power has always been taken over by force and military might in the past all global powers has been taken over by military actions. But China the second largest economy in the world and the most populated country in the world is taken over power in the world stage subtly as they continue to expand their interest in all continent without firing a single shot.

How has China been able to do this.

China has been able to successfully lay grib on the rest of the world by  investing in infrastructure and what China terms as strategic investments. Digital networking, investing in infrastructure such as Rail way, power stations, building of hospital and schools, and finally systems. Another thing to consider too is investments in
the world Rare earth minerals and natural resources this is the new world order and China is leading on this areas no wonder more countries are aligning with china. While the West and American is concerned more about using force and military actions to enforce their will on others country just as we are experiencing in the world  today. China is busy expanding more influence on the rest of the world. This is going to count moving forward.

Wars change. From sticks to stones to knives to spears to swords to guns and etc. I would say that today we live in a world where economics is the major weapon in war but after seeing what happened in Venezuela, maybe I'm wrong and weapons still decide the fate of the war. You can build your empire with economic influence but if someone manages to capture your president the way USA did to Venezuela, then all of your economic influence and power can be managed by a person pushed by a country that captured your previous president.

Both, economic and military strength matters in today's world. It's nice if you don't need to trigger a bullet but you should always be ready for that. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

It's actually VERY funny that some people in BitcoinTalk believe, or maybe they're merely saying it, that the time of the United States' role as the dominant super power "is over". But what is China doing? Because with their economic and military strength, they can't even invade Taiwan, nor can they stop the U.S. from attacking Venezuela and soon, Iran.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[DanWalker]

It's actually VERY funny that some people in BitcoinTalk believe, or maybe they're merely saying it, that the time of the United States' role as the dominant super power "is over". But what is China doing? Because with their economic and military strength, they can't even invade Taiwan, nor can they stop the U.S. from attacking Venezuela and soon, Iran.

  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, nobody is saying that American dominance has ended. They remain the number one superpower and will maintain that position for several more decades. However, we should not deny that this dominance is being challenged by the rise of China and BRICS. The USD still dominates globally, but is gradually losing market share as the idea of ​​dedollarization become more widespread

The world has changed, and use of military force and disregard for international law still help the US maintain its position. But in the long run, this only leads countries to seek way to reduce their dependence and look for alternatives.

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

[SUPERSAIAN]

China's strategy was very different; it lasted for many years, and they achieved what they wanted. I can say that they are currently the most powerful country in the world. And they didn't achieve this through military force alone. However, they are very strong militarily, and they excel in every industry and technology, and they also have a very large population.

I think their main achievement is production, because no country can compete with them in trade. They gained their current position entirely through trade, not military means.

[barbara44]

nobody is saying that American dominance has ended. They remain the number one superpower and will maintain that position for several more decades. However, we should not deny that this dominance is being challenged by the rise of China and BRICS. The USD still dominates globally, but is gradually losing market share as the idea of ​​dedollarization become more widespread

The world has changed, and use of military force and disregard for international law still help the US maintain its position. But in the long run, this only leads countries to seek way to reduce their dependence and look for alternatives.

The US is not the first and only superpower to dominate this world. They replaced the British Empire as the dominant world power after WW2. History has proven that no nation can maintain that forever. So, let's wait and see how long they can maintain that.

This is true, there is still some time left until USD and USA lose their first place, they are still the first place, but not like others are making a mistake. China investing all over Latin America and Africa is not for nothing, they are doing that to gain allies and also make those nations tied to them financially, and that is working very well for them.

USA is not making friends anymore, they are creating enemies everywhere and that is not going to end well for them eventually. There isn't any reason for people to "prefer" USD, they do it because they have to, not because they want to. But if they do not want to, then they will look for a way where they won't have to as well, and one day they will find one.

[coupable]

China is developing at a rapid rate for sure and are improving in many key areas, but them taking over the world without military actions is a stretch. No country in history has managed to take over the entire or majority of our planet without military action.

The only man(Alexander the Great) who managed to take over most of the world used his military forces to crush his enemies. Think op!

New wars are quit different than classic ones. The military action becomes an option with many other options. It is not the only must do thing I have to do to invade the world. New wars developped as everything is developping and we can see new forms of confrontations between major powers. Remember the cold war during last centry, just few years ago.

[DanWalker]

This is true, there is still some time left until USD and USA lose their first place, they are still the first place, but not like others are making a mistake. China investing all over Latin America and Africa is not for nothing, they are doing that to gain allies and also make those nations tied to them financially, and that is working very well for them.

USA is not making friends anymore, they are creating enemies everywhere and that is not going to end well for them eventually. There isn't any reason for people to "prefer" USD, they do it because they have to, not because they want to. But if they do not want to, then they will look for a way where they won't have to as well, and one day they will find one.

Frankly, I do not think China can replace and take over the position of the US as the leading superpower. That is not easy at all. In my view, the world will become more multipolar, and power will be dispersed rather than concentrated in the US. And that would be a much better world than a unipolar and extremist one

I do not expect China or any other country to replace the US as the superpower and maintain a unipolar world. Because there is no guarantee that they will not become as radical as the US once they become the number one superpower