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February 25, 2026, 02:55:08 PM
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What people do not realize is that, this debt as a whole is not to be paid all at once in most cases, what they will do however is pay it slowly. And that means as long as the company itself generates profit, they could pay that debt back and they will be in a situation where they won't have to sell any bitcoin at all.

They have operational costs, which means even existing cost them money such as taxes and leases and salaries and whatever else you can think of, and they have debt, but they also have revenue, which means if they can pay for all of those without selling, they will not touch their bitcoin. However, the moment that's not enough, the only options left are getting more loans or selling some bitcoin, and I think they will not sell when there is a bear market.


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February 26, 2026, 09:38:41 AM
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What people do not realize is that, this debt as a whole is not to be paid all at once in most cases, what they will do however is pay it slowly. And that means as long as the company itself generates profit, they could pay that debt back and they will be in a situation where they won't have to sell any bitcoin at all.

They have operational costs, which means even existing cost them money such as taxes and leases and salaries and whatever else you can think of, and they have debt, but they also have revenue, which means if they can pay for all of those without selling, they will not touch their bitcoin. However, the moment that's not enough, the only options left are getting more loans or selling some bitcoin, and I think they will not sell when there is a bear market.

Depends on how big loans are and how much they need now to pay them up, but overall, your reasoning seems appropriate.

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March 02, 2026, 01:22:16 AM
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According to the company’s founder, Michael Saylor, Strategy  plans to reduce the debt on its balance sheet over the coming years by converting about $6 billion worth of convertible notes into equity.
This is excellent, the debt is one risk and the dividend payouts another. They need to strategize now to get rid of both eventually and then this ride is going to be a risk free operation. I am sure though that even in that case the reasonable critics as they call themselves are going to come up with new FUD.

Almost 200 of them.., I agree, this is were the real stress test lies. Many of these firms are not operating businesses with strong cash flow,  they are struggling companies attempting financial engineering. If we unfortunately enter a multi-year bear market and several of them are forced to sell BTC to service obligations, that would definitely challenge the narrative that the BTC treasury model is universally viable.
It is viable if done right, and it is not viable if done wrong. It is as simple as that. If you enter into this proposition with a very high risk position, then the model is not to blame it is your own execution that is to blame. Depending on who is doing these things and why we will see big differences in how the treasury model is executed. But someone who is reasonable and actually believes in Bitcoin long term wouldn't take up a high risk position that would collapse during a bear market. That would be financially illiterate.

The real question is nott whether some treasury companies will fail, because statistically, many will. The question is whether the capital structure of the largest players creates systemic selling pressure during downturns. In short, I think we are heading toward differentiation, not total collapse. Weak balance sheets will break. Strong ones may consolidate. That process would refine the treasury model rather than disprove it outrightly.
We are in agreement on that point. I think that way too many players rushed into this, and we have an immature market with a radically different asset. Mistakes of all sorts are bound to happen, some due to inexperience, others due to malice, and some due to the novelty of this. Anyway in the end a company can build a treasury model as a risk-free enterprise if it wants to go the completely safe route. There is no need to dilute anything or take any debt at all, just convert some of the profits into investment. DCA but as a company.

There is no institutional investor that is too big to be free from collapse especially if they are leveraging higher and higher with time.
Interesting to state this because the banks did exactly the same thing, extremely over-leveraged themselves and then the government deemed them to be too big to collapse and bailed everyone out.

In this regard, I believe Strategy has an advantage over the rest. It has structured its debt in such a way that it can withstand harsh bear markets, and as the first and largest holder of Bitcoins, it will have the easiest access to liquidity in difficult times.
They do and time is on their side, the more large institutional players get involved with Strategy the more there are interests for this venture to succeed.

Which highlights the main problem of his system. He buys a lot when the market is overheated but little to nothing when it is bearish.
He is doing exactly what he publicly said a long time that he would do.

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March 02, 2026, 11:23:12 PM
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Seeing news that Michael Saylor’s Strategy ($MSTR) is sitting on nearly $1B in unrealized losses after Bitcoin dipped below $75k.
But honestly, does this even matter if it’s unrealized and the whole plan was long-term holding anyway?

Feels like the media is framing it to look worse. Saylor has always been vocal about holding long term and, so far, he hasn’t sold his Bitcoin.

Do you think news like this is meant to create pressure or trigger panic, or they see this as non sense news?
Saylor already has huge holding of Bitcoin and there is no way he can have less than a billion dollar worth of Bitcoin in his portfolio. This man has been a true lover of Bitcoin and he has always ready to tell people about the importance of holding Bitcoin if they want to gain financial freedom which is only possible with Bitcoin. If the price of Bitcoin continues to fall, he will still be on huge profits because he has been buying Bitcoin when the price was down before $25k. His Bitcoin holdings is more than what some countries are holding.

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March 02, 2026, 11:34:25 PM
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Saylor already has huge holding of Bitcoin and there is no way he can have less than a billion dollar worth of Bitcoin in his portfolio. This man has been a true lover of Bitcoin and he has always ready to tell people about the importance of holding Bitcoin if they want to gain financial freedom which is only possible with Bitcoin. If the price of Bitcoin continues to fall, he will still be on huge profits because he has been buying Bitcoin when the price was down before $25k. His Bitcoin holdings is more than what some countries are holding.
Strong hold way by Michael Saylor is keeping his account safe even as Bitcoin fell down to 64,000 to 68,000 price. I do agree that Saylor is powerful supporter of money freedom that sees Bitcoin as online land other than short buy/sell, and even used company debt to buy more in market drops. Still, I think his faith is inspiring, but fact that single company has a handsome amount of total amount of Bitcoins creates big owner risk. If big price drop forces him to sell them, it would be scary event to whole market. It should be remembered that he has huge money safety net, which most regular buyers do not have, but it has to be noted that his hold forever plan has become famous.

 
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March 08, 2026, 05:22:26 PM
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Saylor already has huge holding of Bitcoin and there is no way he can have less than a billion dollar worth of Bitcoin in his portfolio. This man has been a true lover of Bitcoin and he has always ready to tell people about the importance of holding Bitcoin if they want to gain financial freedom which is only possible with Bitcoin. If the price of Bitcoin continues to fall, he will still be on huge profits because he has been buying Bitcoin when the price was down before $25k. His Bitcoin holdings is more than what some countries are holding.
I don't know why you wrote this because it is all incorrect and you are quoting the source of information that contradicts you? Firstly, the picture does not claim that Saylor has less than billion dollar worth of Bitcoin. Second you should not call it his portfolio as that could be confusing and it could mean that it is his own balance, this is about the company Strategy. Third, you are saying that if the price of Bitcoin continues to fall that he will still be in huge profits. I do not know why you wrote something so obviously false because Strategy is already in unrealized losses. While these losses may not be an issue, they are already in the red at current prices so you are wrong.

Strong hold way by Michael Saylor is keeping his account safe even as Bitcoin fell down to 64,000 to 68,000 price. I do agree that Saylor is powerful supporter of money freedom that sees Bitcoin as online land other than short buy/sell, and even used company debt to buy more in market drops. Still, I think his faith is inspiring, but fact that single company has a handsome amount of total amount of Bitcoins creates big owner risk. If big price drop forces him to sell them, it would be scary event to whole market. It should be remembered that he has huge money safety net, which most regular buyers do not have, but it has to be noted that his hold forever plan has become famous.
How would such a sale take place? Do you think that they would market sell this amount? It is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Should they come to a situation where they need to sell some of the Bitcoin, OTC deals will be made and these is a lot of liquidity now that can handle this. I think people already forgot about those sales by Germany and the Mt Gox situation, it had not affect on the market even if they were considerable amounts. Also you can be sure that there is basically no real scenario in which Strategy would have to sell the whole stack at once, so people need to stop talking about it as if that scenario was going to happen.

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