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Today at 07:58:24 AM
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Ask yourself:
Why people here use AI instead of writting the posts themselves? What's the incentive about using AI?

Translations/proof reading, maybe to look smarter...?
...I bet the majority use it because they need to fill a mandatory posts quota per week to stay on their CAMPAIGNS, they need an specific "minimum characters" per posts, a minimum "quality" and even receive specific "merits" to keep their job. That's why mods punish them with "signature ban".
We all know the answer: MONEY.

When you are NOT in a campaign, you can post wherever you want, about whatever you want, and not post at all if you don't want to. You don't need AI.
Instead, people on campaign MUST to post even when they don't want to. That's when AI becomes an useful tool for those cases, AI writes for you, makes your job easier and you still get the payment at the end of the week.

Therefore, campaigns on the forum have existed for over 10 years, well before all these AI tools. Many were much more demanding in terms of postings, and paid much higher amounts. Now, those participating in campaigns can only do so via AI.

Let's be realistic. Most of the users who were caught writing 100% via AI are novice or low-level users who don't even have that many merits and probably don't participate in any campaigns.

Yes, cases involving high-level users may have occurred. However, it's a small number considering the size of this forum and the number of participants in campaigns. But there are also several cases of users who were 5-star here on the forum, and suddenly started behaving inappropriately and ended up being banned.

To say that the supposed AI problem on the forum is due to the campaigns is indeed an exaggeration.



 
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Today at 11:40:32 AM
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I'm very optimistic about AI on the whole, but its overuse here on the forum risks worsening the signal-to-noise ratio. You're never supposed to be posting "slop" of any kind, whether AI-generated or not. If moderators look at someone's posts and think, "This person is just posting garbage to inflate their post count," then that person should be banned, regardless of the source of the garbage *. But AI makes it much easier and more tempting to post a bunch of slop: at first glance the posts seem high-quality and on-topic, but after reading a few of them they quickly become slop due to their unoriginality, excessive verbosity, and boring samey style. Also, I'm concerned that putting too much unmarked AI-generated text on the forum might confuse AIs which try to train on forum posts, which is undesirable in my book because it makes AI worse/incomplete and it prevents our little corner of humanity from being reflected within AIs. (That's why we don't block or paywall AIs trying to crawl the forum.) Therefore, the main guideline forum users should follow is:

You should not copy/paste text written by an AI into a post, with these exceptions:
 - If you clearly mention that something you're posting is AI-generated, and you only occasionally and appropriately post such AI-generated text, then that's OK.
 - If you have the AI do almost a direct translation of something you wrote, then that's OK. For example, you can tell the AI to "Directly translate this text into Spanish: <something you wrote>" or "Output the following text exactly as-is, except with any clear spelling or grammar mistakes fixed: <something you wrote>". It's not OK to tell an AI, "Improve this text: <something you wrote>", since then it will mostly rewrite it, and it risks becoming AI slop in the process.
 - Non-text AI content such as art is OK (subject to the normal rules).

You can use AI to suggest grammar/style improvements, or to give you ideas, with you manually implementing those suggestions; but avoid directly copying more than a few words from the AI. However, I recommend against ever relying on AI writing advice very much, since mixed in with its good suggestions it'll usually also give bad suggestions which will just erase all personality from your writing. Better your writing be flawed and authentically-you than "correct" but stripped of any soul.


* I acknowledge that not nearly enough people are banned for low-quality posts. The fundamental issue is that we don't want to ban someone just for posting one or two stupid posts, since that's subjective and might just be due to the person having weird opinions or being a poor writer. So to evaluate a user properly, we really want to be reading a sampling of 20-40 of their posts. But doing this sort of evaluation (i.e. reading through hundreds of mediocre-to-bad posts) is really soul-sucking, so nobody wants to do it very much. I'm still thinking about ways to resolve this issue, possibly involving rejiggering how merit works.

AI is needed for persuasiveness, it amplifies very well, don't confuse amplifying nonsense with amplifying values. AI is like concert speakers, it's one thing to play a bass guitar solo on a personal speaker, and it's quite another to do it through a linear array in a stadium. If a musician doesn't know how to play, it's better not to do it in a stadium.

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Today at 11:43:03 AM
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Let's be realistic. Most of the users who were caught writing 100% via AI are novice or low-level users who don't even have that many merits and probably don't participate in any campaigns.

 Smiley Statistically there are more low-level users than people in campaigns.

Anyway, why would anyone register on the forum just to start posting using AI right away?
I strongly believe that the majority of them are farming accounts...
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