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February 14, 2026, 01:04:44 AM
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For anyone not in the US, during the Super Bowl, Amazon/Ring ran an ad about them partnering with a 3-rd party video surveillance company called Flock Safety. In it they highlight a planned integration of video feeds from owners of Ring cameras to AI recognition software. In the ad the example was to find a lost puppy by using neighborhood video feeds to track its movements. For what should be obvious reasons folks went ballistic over the idea of having their home cameras used for what amounts to mass surveillance and as a result Amazon has stopped all further work on it and canceled their contract with Flock Safety.

The arstechnica article explains it very well.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/after-creepy-super-bowl-ad-sparks-outrage-ring-abandons-flock-deal/
https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/an-update-on-ring-partnership

In the US law enforcement can request homeowners assistance in getting video of a crime. Most folks are willing to do that. Flock Safety took that to another level with wanting to have Ring camera owners unknowingly constantly providing a video feed to a 3-rd party (Flock Safety) to do whatever they want with it...

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It is quite an interesting experience to be an American right now and have so many people just giving up all of our constitutional rights.
Well "interesting" may not be the actual word.

I've been wondering if people are really tired of being free?

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February 14, 2026, 10:23:25 PM
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Hmmm, given the number of folks here who are concerned about privacy I'm surprised more folks have not picked up on this...

To me a bigger concern that the Flock Safety program presented is the fact that it highlights that Ring and most other modern home surveillance gadgets all store their data in the Cloud. The main benefit of course is that the end-user can access their surveillance system with any internet-connected device. In "the Old Days" video/audio was mainly stored on HDD's in the home owners equipment and you had to be at home to access the logs. That is no longer the case.

 DISCLAIMER: I do not own a Ring camera system nor any other brand so I'm guessing on the exact details of their cloud storage policies.

That said, odds are the homeowner can set how many days/weeks are archived (and can no doubt pay for longer storage) before data is overwritten in a FIFO algo. Fine in theory but - on their website, Flock Safety makes mention of using 'residual data' as well more recent or real-time data. My guess is the older data files are not completely deleted or overwritten but rather are treated like Windows does things - the files are moved to a Trash bin outside of the homeowners access and held for MUCH longer, possibly years.

While the consumer does not have the needed permissions to access the long-term video/audio data Ring et al are collecting, Law Enforcement (aka 'The Government') can and does get warrants for it. Also, 3rd-party companies (Flock et al) can have contracts with the surveillance equipment vendor or consumer granting said permissions.

Is no one else concerned about Privacy issues raised by this long-term surveillance data storage or its possible misuse? Pretty sure it has never occurred to the majority of consumers purchasing Ring et al devices. Along that line, Ring has had a large number of folks who HAVE cancelled the Ring contracts after seeing the Super Bowl commercial which is why Ring has parted ways with Flock Safety. Google it.

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February 15, 2026, 02:22:55 AM
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Hmmm, given the number of folks here who are concerned about privacy I'm surprised more folks have not picked up on this...

To me a bigger concern that the Flock Safety program presented is the fact that it highlights that Ring and most other modern home surveillance gadgets all store their data in the Cloud. The main benefit of course is that the end-user can access their surveillance system with any internet-connected device. In "the Old Days" video/audio was mainly stored on HDD's in the home owners equipment and you had to be at home to access the logs.

That is no longer the case. DISCLAIMER: I do not own a Ring camera system nor any other brand so I'm guessing on the exact details of their cloud storage policies.

That said, odds are the homeowner can set how many days/weeks are archived (and can no doubt pay for longer storage) before data is overwritten in a FIFO algo. Fine in theory but - Flock Safety makes mention of using 'residual data' as well more recent or real-time data. My guess is the older data file are not completely deleted or overwritten but rather are treated like Windows does things - the files are moved to a Trash bin outside of the homeowners access and held for MUCH longer, possibly years.

While the consumer does not have the needed permissions to access the long-term video/audio data Ring et al are collecting, Law Enforcement (aka 'The Government') can and does get warrants for it and provided a 3rd-party (Flock et al) have contracts with the surveillance equipment vendor or consumer granting said permissions.

Is no one else concerned about Privacy issues raised by this long-term surveillance data storage or its possible misuse? Pretty sure it has never occurred to the majority of consumers purchasing Ring et al devices. Along that line, Ring has had a large number of folks who HAVE cancelled the Ring contracts after seeing the Super Bowl commercial which is why Ring has parted ways with Flock Safety. Google it.


Sometimes I forget that not everyone knows The United States constitutional amendments.
Rights to privacy 4th, 5th and 14th.
I feel like we established that our digital information was protected back when the internet began its evolution as an everyday form of communication but the erosion began rapidly after 9/11

Here is where the idea of consent becomes especially useful, because we are giving up privacy for "safety".
The Superbowl commercial "getting us in the feels" making us -all fuzzy warm ;-) and agreeing in advance for our information to be stored that way.

It also used to be that companies we agreed to share our information with would not release it without warrant but our system has been corrupted by money.

Texas was using license plate scanning (ALPRs) to track women who go to another state where abortions are legal.
There is facial recognition on every street corner in most big cities, there are places where you can "opt out" but that may only get you a pay out after its violated then litigated.



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The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution protects individuals against "unreasonable searches and seizures" by the government. Ratified in 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights, it ensures that people are secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects.
Core Provisions
Protection Against Unreasonable Searches: Government agents cannot search people or property without a valid reason.
Warrant Requirement: Warrants must be issued by a judge or magistrate, based on probable cause, and must specifically describe the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
Reasonable Expectation of Privacy: The amendment applies when the government violates a person's "reasonable expectation of privacy".
Key Concepts and Exceptions
While a warrant is generally required, the Supreme Court has established several exceptions:
Consent: If an individual voluntarily allows a search, a warrant is not required.
Plain View: Officers may seize items in plain view if they are lawfully present.
Search Incident to Arrest: Police may search an arrestee and their immediate surroundings for weapons or evidence.
Exigent Circumstances: Emergency situations, such as pursuing a suspect or preventing the imminent destruction of evidence, allow for warrantless searches.
Automobile Exception: Vehicles may be searched without a warrant if there is probable cause to believe they contain evidence of a crime.
Stop and Frisk: Officers may briefly detain and pat down a person for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is happening.
Border Searches: Routine stops and searches at international borders do not require a warrant or individualized suspicion.
Enforcement: The Exclusionary Rule
Evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment is generally inadmissible in criminal trials, a principle known as the "exclusionary rule". This is intended to deter law enforcement from conducting illegal searches.
Modern Applications
Digital Data: The Supreme Court has ruled that police generally need a warrant to search a cell phone, even during an arrest, due to the vast amount of personal information it contains.
Third-Party Doctrine: People generally have no expectation of privacy for information voluntarily given to third parties (e.g., bank records), although this has been narrowed in cases involving cell phone location tracking.
Technology & Surveillance: The Fourth Amendment faces new challenges regarding drone surveillance, geofence warrants (tracking all phones in an area), and facial recognition technology.

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February 15, 2026, 05:23:27 PM
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This is possible in China and in fact China is doing that for almost a decade now, they can track anyone with their face recognition tool in any camera inside that country that is connected to the internet, but US still values privacy, which is why they can't do that unless the law allows them to do it.

But another fact, whether they share it with a third party or not, the takeaway of this is that the company that sold you that camera is watching you all the time.

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February 16, 2026, 12:34:10 AM
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This is possible in China and in fact China is doing that for almost a decade now, they can track anyone with their face recognition tool in any camera inside that country that is connected to the internet, but US still values privacy, which is why they can't do that unless the law allows them to do it.

But another fact, whether they share it with a third party or not, the takeaway of this is that the company that sold you that camera is watching you all the time.


The ramped up version of the Immigration Customs and Enforcement Agency aka ICE has been using facial recognition for at least 6 months.
This is one of the reasons protests are ongoing in America.
I'm weary to share private links but this short piece is worth the watch.
Not only have they been using it (Mobile Fortify) to identify potential illegal immigrants but also on us lawful observers --> saying things like now you'll be on the terrorist list. 

Facial recognition: ICE agents use app to scan US citizens and immigrants • FRANCE 24 English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg-uVBv5tho


Not necessary but interesting information (on a few levels)  Coded Bias is probably still available on Netflix it came out in 2020
The only News station I watch is Democracy Now
“Coded Bias”: New Film Looks at Fight Against Racial Bias in Facial Recognition & AI Technology  --this is from 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkbNH39QE0Q

I've been considering adding the multiple surveillance systems currently in use on my protest or ICE threads but am waiting for more mainstream coverage.

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Then you may want to add flocksafety.com and their products/services to your list.
From their homepage
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To solve and eliminate crime – you need evidence. Protect your community, business or school 24/7 with coverage that never sleeps.

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Then you may want to add flocksafety.com and their products/services to your list.
From their homepage
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To solve and eliminate crime – you need evidence. Protect your community, business or school 24/7 with coverage that never sleeps.

Unfortunately there is a long list. You can add anything Palantir touches. They are open and excited about all the surveillance keeping us "safe".
We began to give up privacy with ULAs.

United people - Industry - Governments when those things are on balance they hold each other accountable but it is not the case almost everywhere in the world right now:
Especially America :-/

I go to demonstrations and protests so unless I wanted to go to great lengths to conceal my identity and obfuscate my physical identity my government is considering people like me as Anti-American. Not true because I love my country and all the things we said we were but here we are.

The reality right now is that we can opt out and when that is breached, lawsuits begin but we really are in a moment when we have to decide whether to cede our rights or not.

I chose to be open about my current disagreement with my government but there are places like these for opt out:

pimeyes.com/en/opt-out-request-form
eyematch.ai/opt-out
FaceCheck.ID (have to search and delete)
info@corsight.ai

www.clearview.ai/privacy-and-requests

My concerns increase with directives like anti-woke A.I.
Whitehouse.gov is the governments permanent address no matter who is in office

This is our current presidents executive orders.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/preventing-woke-ai-in-the-federal-government/

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered:

Section 1.  Purpose.  Artificial intelligence (AI) will play a critical role in how Americans of all ages learn new skills, consume information, and navigate their daily lives.  Americans will require reliable outputs from AI, but when ideological biases or social agendas are built into AI models, they can distort the quality and accuracy of the output.

One of the most pervasive and destructive of these ideologies is so-called “diversity, equity, and inclusion” (DEI).  In the AI context, DEI includes the suppression or distortion of factual information about race or sex; manipulation of racial or sexual representation in model outputs; incorporation of concepts like critical race theory, transgenderism, unconscious bias, intersectionality, and systemic racism; and discrimination on the basis of race or sex.  DEI displaces the commitment to truth in favor of preferred outcomes and, as recent history illustrates, poses an existential threat to reliable AI.

For example, one major AI model changed the race or sex of historical figures — including the Pope, the Founding Fathers, and Vikings — when prompted for images because it was trained to prioritize DEI requirements at the cost of accuracy.  Another AI model refused to produce images celebrating the achievements of white people, even while complying with the same request for people of other races.  In yet another case, an AI model asserted that a user should not “misgender” another person even if necessary to stop a nuclear apocalypse."


Making Sense of Government Surveillance with Policy Expert Chad Marlow | Making Sense | ACLU
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P.S. I'm in California and we just became an "opt in" state. One effect of that law is that when we start up a new website instead of automatically sharing all of our data we choose what to share.


The California Opt Me Out Act (Assembly Bill 566), signed into law on October 8, 2025, mandates that all web browsers (including Chrome, Safari, and Edge) include a built-in, easily accessible setting that allows users to send an opt-out preference signal (OOPS) to websites.
This law strengthens existing privacy rights under the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA) by automating the process of opting out of the sale or sharing of personal data, rather than requiring users to manually opt-out on every individual website.

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This is possible in China and in fact China is doing that for almost a decade now, they can track anyone with their face recognition tool in any camera inside that country that is connected to the internet, but US still values privacy, which is why they can't do that unless the law allows them to do it.

But another fact, whether they share it with a third party or not, the takeaway of this is that the company that sold you that camera is watching you all the time.

The difference is clear, crime in China is less compared to crime in the US. If you ask me, I would say the US need this security measures more than China, even if it costs them their privacy. However, what is the essence of privacy when your security is a problem, bad things can happened and no one will know how and who did it. Is that the privacy you all need?

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This is possible in China and in fact China is doing that for almost a decade now, they can track anyone with their face recognition tool in any camera inside that country that is connected to the internet, but US still values privacy, which is why they can't do that unless the law allows them to do it.

But another fact, whether they share it with a third party or not, the takeaway of this is that the company that sold you that camera is watching you all the time.

The difference is clear, crime in China is less compared to crime in the US. If you ask me, I would say the US need this security measures more than China, even if it costs them their privacy. However, what is the essence of privacy when your security is a problem, bad things can happened and no one will know how and who did it. Is that the privacy you all need?

I don't want a random human to keep watching me 24/7, and it is not just invading the privacy but don't even let us to be private is kind of cruel in my opinion, so privacy laws in US still makes sense and proves democrcy is still in play if not completely.

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Today at 08:30:08 PM
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This is possible in China and in fact China is doing that for almost a decade now, they can track anyone with their face recognition tool in any camera inside that country that is connected to the internet, but US still values privacy, which is why they can't do that unless the law allows them to do it.

But another fact, whether they share it with a third party or not, the takeaway of this is that the company that sold you that camera is watching you all the time.

The difference is clear, crime in China is less compared to crime in the US. If you ask me, I would say the US need this security measures more than China, even if it costs them their privacy. However, what is the essence of privacy when your security is a problem, bad things can happened and no one will know how and who did it. Is that the privacy you all need?

I don't want a random human to keep watching me 24/7, and it is not just invading the privacy but don't even let us to be private is kind of cruel in my opinion, so privacy laws in US still makes sense and proves democrcy is still in play if not completely.

In the United States surveillance of Chinese citizens has been used as a boogyman for how they are oppressed by their government.

We have a real problem in the US right now and it isn't new because governments are always in tension with its citizens and their liberties.
We have a wannabe "strongman" president right now who is openly unleashing surveillance in the name of getting "the worst of the worst" out of our country aka
immigrant scapegoats.
The usual agencies and organizations who typically keep an eye on all those issues are also under scrutiny and being defunded.

"The American Experiment" is under strain right now and some of its own citizens are rooting for it, don't care, are too tired or... preparing to be under investigation for disagreeing with it all.

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