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Kryptonite788
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March 30, 2026, 05:29:42 PM
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You put the problem with your idea on the table your self.  You can verify or you can Trust.  The words we use are 'Do not Trust, verify'.  Your idea goes against that particular fundamental value of Bitcoin.

We have pruned or full Nodes.  We have SPV.  The Blockchain or Bitcoin itself does not need a change to accommodate the people who want to cheap out on time and space to add Trust instead.  It is not worth while.  You could get a 2 Terrabytes used Hard Disk for as little as 30 to 50 Dollars.  I would not recommend it but if you want to cheap out on something, any consequence should be on you.  Not on every body else and on Bitcoin itself too.  There already are a couple risks Bitcoin has to pass.  For example the 51 percent attacks.  Adding Trust would be just another risk and it is even pointless too.
You’re very correct chief, I guess most folks are familiar with the phrase “Don’t trust, verify “ and this phrase has been the mantra on which Bitcoin security stands and that is why users can independently verify transactions and blockchain state without the requirement of trusting a third party. so when folks start to introduce shortcuts that require them trusting someone else, then the very guarantees that make bitcoin robust will be undermined and that’s why SPV exists as a compromise because it allows lighter clients to operate without fully storing the blockchain and thus in turn reduces resource burden like time and storage while still minimizing trust, whereas , introducing shortcuts that are trust based would make users skip verification entirely and rely on someone else and that goes against the bitcoin principle because it re-introduces trust which bitcoin was specifically designed to eliminate.
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April 01, 2026, 09:26:51 PM
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You can forget about running a full node on a 1TB SSD, those will become obsolete in a matter of months as blockchain size surpasses 1TB very soon. It makes no sense to purchase a 1TB SSD for a new system to run a node with; and if you already have a 1TB system you will be forced to upgrade soon. And with the astronomical rise in SSD prices due to AI demand, 2TB SSDs (soon to be a minimum hardware requirement for running a full node) are costing upwards of $300. This is pricing many people out of the full-node option, which might work against bitcoin's decentralizing aims (if it still has such aims).

Just my 2 cents. Interesting debate!

It's a very relevant debate, and also tackles the reason why forking off Bitcoin Cash in order to get larger block sizes might not have been a too smart move. Still, weakening one of the main defining characteristics of Bitcoin is not likely a good solution. If the blockchain isn't needed, why didn't we see tokens without one skyrocket?
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Today at 02:52:31 AM
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What about the following idea:

- The Armageddon block becomes a sort of "extension block". Not everybody has to store it, but nodes supporting the "Armageddon" system will have to.
- The way to attach this into the blockchain would be simple: the UTXO set at a certain block height is hashed and then added into an OP_RETURN transaction. Armageddon nodes store the full UTXO set and the hash.
- Everybody could create such a transaction at any time, but it would be best probably for the system to agree on certain block heights (e.g. every difficulty change).
- The hashes also can be verified at any time, and transactions providing fake Armageddons would be flagged.
- To increase security it would be perhaps best that every Armageddon node stores two Armageddons in a row. So if we have currently the last Armageddon block at height X * 2016, and a previous Armageddon block at (X-1) * 2016, the blockchain would be stored fully always between (X - 1) * 2016 and the current height (2016 is the interval between difficulty changes, just as an example).

We had thus a parallel system for everybody wanting a better system than Electrum but with a shorter Initial Blockchain Download than a pruned node. It could be a bit tricky however to incentive people to create these OP_RETURN transactions. But not a single soft fork would be needed for that. In fact I'd be surprised if this wasn't proposed already. I guess the incentive problem is the challenge to solve.

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