What do you have to say about this

[goldkingcoiner]

In actual sense, what exactly is the point of mixing them dirty coins then??

To placate centralised platforms to avoid them arbitrarily freezing your coins because they themselves placate overbearing regulators who in turn placate the government that placates uneducated voters and their uneducated opinions on "controlling Bitcoin".

If I got you correctly, what you're telling me is that everytime one uses a mixer, they're literally bribing said platforms to not flag and freeze their transactions, even though said transaction remains traceable if the law enforcement wants to have a look? Does it not infringe the standing order/strict AML regulations for the platforms? Or is that legal to perform, but not the mixing itself??

No that is not correct at all.

Can you expand on this, please?

Sure.

Both centralized and decentralized mixers still operate on the (100% public) Blockchain. Any mixing can be analysed and eventually traced in many ways (wallet clustering analysis, amount and timing analysis, entry/exit points, behavioral patterns, etc.).

Banning "dirty coins" is an attack on Bitcoin's fungibility as a currency. The "dirty coins" part is completely made up and arbitrary.
Suddenly anyone and everyone is arbitrarily suspicious and must present highly sensitive government documents to KYC/AML themselves at crypto exchanges while their money is held hostage.

Imagine this- I could send dirty coins to your wallet:

Now the exchange will be performing an AML/KYC check that could take weeks/months to complete while they freeze the coins in your custodial exchange wallet. And now imagine you cannot do anything with your funds because of this government-mandated check and you need to pay for food. Of course the exchange only does things as the regulators demand. So they won't return any financial/caloric losses that incurred during the time in which you could not use/sell your coin. And all of this for what? Anti-Corruption theater to keep the Anti-Bitcoin boomer voters happy? The solution to a made-up problem.

Criminals should use fiat (paper money) if they wanted their money to be untraceable and easy to launder.

[pawanjain]

The numbers of criminals that have understood the possibilities of evading capture through the help of mixers is alarming, I don't know about your country, this is about mine.

Few days back a guy was arrested and all of his properties were seized, he scammed a foreigner (woman) in romance scam using a popular figure in my country, he cashed out using Bitcoin and he was traced easily, caught and sentenced.

Few amounts was recovered while his seized properties are on sale to refund the women, what is shocking to me was what people said on tiktok, and almost all of them are from my country since they are using dialect signals and some had their flag up there.

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

May be mixers are created for this sole purpose of scamming others or may be not.
May be it was created to improve privacy but being used by criminals is one of the side effects.
Sometimes, we can't control how a thing created for one purpose can be used for different purposes.

[Cookdata]

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

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We have gun control policies? Do we have mixers control policies? Every rifles or guns in general can be traced back to the seller or the owner using numbers, it's not the same with mixers here.

I was expecting you to say we have missile control, lmao.
Which of the gun control? The ones people shoot at each other for small arguments? Do you even know how many murder cases in the US as a result of illegal firearms? Do you even know how may firearms that at sold on darknet  everyday? Common, you are smart than this.

You can't regulate mixers, you don't get to tell people how they want to hide their privacy, it's what they want and how they used it. By the way, people used mixers for whatever reasons they want, it doesn't mean everyone that use Mixers are criminals but that doesn't mean the system is free from one.

I will be frank here, just because some good people are using mixers too doesn't mean that mixers are good, it's not a good reason enough to let mixers work freely or else, this your answer is what we will keep getting.

If an attack was successfully carried out in your area or home and after many traces you heard that they used mixers to hide the money they use to sponsor that attack I wonder if you will still say the same.

Attack as what? The last time I saw attack was from armed kidnappers, and not Bitcoin, I have never been attacked before with Bitcoin. People that that fell for the Bitcoin scams fell for social scam, it wasn't even a direct Bitcoin scam. If the money isn't laundered through Bitcoin, there are more ways the money would have been hidden and tracks covered. So what are you saying? Free Bitcoin.

I don't justify thief actions but you need to know Bitcoin doesn't know what's wrong and what's right, it's understand only the right key to spend and that's the only moral protocol that exist in the chain, every other things are just noises.

[justdimin]

May be mixers are created for this sole purpose of scamming others or may be not.
May be it was created to improve privacy but being used by criminals is one of the side effects.
Sometimes, we can't control how a thing created for one purpose can be used for different purposes.

Remember, a mixer is a "business" that is telling you "hey we can make your money disappear", that's the whole thing. If they are legit, they take your money that is trackable, and give you the same amount (well minus the fee) that is untracked.

That's the legit version and that's what people demand or at least hope for, but the same company, if able to do that, could take your tracked money and be able to get it to themselves, without being able to actually get it tracked, so if they are good at making money untracked, why not put it in their own account, since nobody will know? No reason to take such a risk with a company that does something like this, it's a risk that I am not really that much willing to take at all.

[Rabata]

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

Crime occurs because of the intent to commit it. If Mixer is used as a positive tool, it will not lead to criminal activity, because Mixer is a place where people value privacy.
People who value privacy and always prioritize it do not necessarily engage in illegal activities. Don’t blame everything in that space just because of one small blemish.

A person can use mixer for privacy. But this should not be called a criminal or illegal activity or bad things, rather it falls within the basic right of a person to protect privacy. In general, one of the reasons why people are so interested in Bitcoin is that people can remain anonymous by using Bitcoin, and mixer helps them do that job better. If someone uses mixer for any illegal or dishonest purpose, then he himself will be responsible for it. We cannot hold the entire system responsible for the bad deeds of one person. We cannot deny the good aspects of Bitcoin but some people use Bitcoin to do bad things. The same is true in the case of mixer.

[goldkingcoiner]

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

Crime occurs because of the intent to commit it. If Mixer is used as a positive tool, it will not lead to criminal activity, because Mixer is a place where people value privacy.
People who value privacy and always prioritize it do not necessarily engage in illegal activities. Don’t blame everything in that space just because of one small blemish.

A person can use mixer for privacy. But this should not be called a criminal or illegal activity or bad things, rather it falls within the basic right of a person to protect privacy. In general, one of the reasons why people are so interested in Bitcoin is that people can remain anonymous by using Bitcoin, and mixer helps them do that job better. If someone uses mixer for any illegal or dishonest purpose, then he himself will be responsible for it. We cannot hold the entire system responsible for the bad deeds of one person. We cannot deny the good aspects of Bitcoin but some people use Bitcoin to do bad things. The same is true in the case of mixer.

Nobody needs a mixer to anonymize their crypto. People forget that Monero exists.

But a criminal will start sweating once they realize that Bitcoin mixers log their data (and will provide it to the police if asked), making the entire point of mixing useless in the first place because the police have the criminal's IP address and other data.

[Churchillvv]

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Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

People do not think it’s only for privacy purposes but they know it’s for privacy purposes but however what it is used for is not what it was created for, I don’t know if you understand me, many people are beginning to to misuse the mixers and now it is becoming a popular way to kill traces but however it’s not still untraceable if you commit a huge crime that requires you to be found so in my opinion it’s just the fact that the people who are using it for criminal purpose are just one of the smart people who do not use their smartness for the positive side but only negative.

[terrific]

that's why govs don't like them - because they give such options which they themselves wouldn't give

And at the same time, it's a good business for those who understands that many would like to choose that option.
The government will not stop tracking the btc's that comes in and out for them. I think it's made easier now for those companies that have the tools to do it.
But if it's not with these tracking companies, there won't be that much for the government to do for those users who are using them for a lot of btc to be mixed in them.

[davis196]

Few amounts was recovered while his seized properties are on sale to refund the women, what is shocking to me was what people said on tiktok, and almost all of them are from my country since they are using dialect signals and some had their flag up there.

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

The fact that crypto mixers are being used by criminals has been discussed over a million times on the forum. I don't want to start that discussion again, because the forum troll Satofan44 will appear out of nowhere and start insulting me(calling me retard, third world pajeet, etc.). There's no point feeding the trolls.
Why a criminal wouldn't use a crypto mixer? First option, he might be lazy. Second option, he is afraid of the crypto mixer scamming him and running away with his coins. I can assume that you are following a bunch of scammers on TikTok. Scammers supporting each other on social media? This is pathetic.

[pawanjain]

May be mixers are created for this sole purpose of scamming others or may be not.
May be it was created to improve privacy but being used by criminals is one of the side effects.
Sometimes, we can't control how a thing created for one purpose can be used for different purposes.

Remember, a mixer is a "business" that is telling you "hey we can make your money disappear", that's the whole thing. If they are legit, they take your money that is trackable, and give you the same amount (well minus the fee) that is untracked.

That's the legit version and that's what people demand or at least hope for, but the same company, if able to do that, could take your tracked money and be able to get it to themselves, without being able to actually get it tracked, so if they are good at making money untracked, why not put it in their own account, since nobody will know? No reason to take such a risk with a company that does something like this, it's a risk that I am not really that much willing to take at all.

Oh definitely yes. It is surely a risk when you are using mixers to make your funds private.
The risk of loss of funds is real and that is the reason why I think using coinjoin is a better alternative.

[TheUltraElite]

Let the criminals use mixers, when faced with law enforcement, the mixers will have to produce evidence or take the blame. Hence they will eventally kneel and give away the information of the person who used the mixer. Mixers dont guarantee the person being saved, rather it is the only place the law will look into in order to nab the wrong-doers.

Also people need to be careful to avoid getting scammed, which is easier said than done because vulnerable people are always there and others should look out for these type of people.

And stay off social media, is a junkyard of jobless people.

[Faisal2202]

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

Are you 100% most of them are your fellow citizens? Well, if even the chances are more than 90%, it is a serious issue in my view. They need to be reported, because with this mindset, they won't make any kind of progress in their life, instead criminal activities are going to increase sooner or later. I don't know which country is yours. I checked your profile, and you seem to be inactive in your local community here.

I can judge a few countries, but I won't. Anyway, a mixer is not only used for this purpose, and even if someone uses mixers for this purpose, they will eventually get caught because these authorities have better tools, and they will eventually catch up.

[Pablo-wood]

My only worries with most people who use this mixers is that most of them still reuse the same address and most times interact with CEX and I keep asking myself what the point of spending so much to use a mixer when the user still sell out their information so cheap at the end of the day even though mixers doesn't guarantee

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

What is privacy when it can still be traced using advanced blockchain analysis tools. It only increases their privacy but doesn't keep them anonymous which is like spending more on something that guarantees almost nothing.

[Findingnemo]

People who think that they can't be traced at all just because they used mixer is a misconception, they can still be tracked by government agencies, and that is how they managed to shut many mixers because it involved in some kind of hacked funds laundering.

Now coming to the point, let's say criminals are using it because it helps them to get away, which doesn't mean that ethically right ones should not use it. Everyone got to have a right to privacy in this world, and mixing bitcoin isn't illegal either.

[kazilunex]

People who think that they can't be traced at all just because they used mixer is a misconception, they can still be tracked by government agencies, and that is how they managed to shut many mixers because it involved in some kind of hacked funds laundering.

Now coming to the point, let's say criminals are using it because it helps them to get away, which doesn't mean that ethically right ones should not use it. Everyone got to have a right to privacy in this world, and mixing bitcoin isn't illegal either.

Exactly, mixers arent foolproof, authorities can still trace transactions if they dig deep enough, which is why many got shut down when lined to stolen funds. Using a mixer just to keep your privacy is totally fine. Everyones got a right to some privacy and mixing bitcoin for normal, legit stuff isnt illegal. Just gotta know the risks and use it smart.

[Awaklara]

Now coming to the point, let's say criminals are using it because it helps them to get away, which doesn't mean that ethically right ones should not use it. Everyone got to have a right to privacy in this world, and mixing bitcoin isn't illegal either.

What you said is true, a mixer is just a tool, like a knife that will be useful if used for good purposes such as cooking. But it can become a bad tool if used to stab someone. Criminals might think the mixer will help them stay safe to launder the proceeds of their crimes. Maybe until they are caught. Once they are caught, with evidence of the crime, I think investigators will also make some efforts to uncover everything that was hidden.

[ndutndut]

The intention for creating mixers is not to perpetrate a scam and shield them in such a way that you don't get to trace those scammers for their fraudulent acts, instead, this is for our privacy and everyone needs to have access to what can guarantee them maximum protection over their finances, also, we cannot pretend to claim that some people are not using it against the normally intention by engaging in fraudulent activities with the use of my mixers, same also applies even in the traditional financial system, there are scammers everywhere and they abused privilege they see for their own selfish interest.

Yes, the primary purpose of mixers is to maintain transaction confidentiality and privacy. Because the Bitcoin blockchain is public and transparent everyone can see wallet addresses and transaction amounts. However, asset mixers make it difficult to trace the origin of the money. While the goal is good they also create a wide opportunity for crime, which is why mixers are banned and even those associated with mixers are banned in this forum. While there are many crimes in fiat, mixers are difficult to trace.

Microwaves are often used for money laundering, hacking and many other crimes, as they can conceal the origin of funds. Several major issues have led to mixers being banned due to accusations of facilitating money laundering including stolen funds from hacks.

[As-Soon-As]

The numbers of criminals that have understood the possibilities of evading capture through the help of mixers is alarming, I don't know about your country, this is about mine.

Few days back a guy was arrested and all of his properties were seized, he scammed a foreigner (woman) in romance scam using a popular figure in my country, he cashed out using Bitcoin and he was traced easily, caught and sentenced.

Few amounts was recovered while his seized properties are on sale to refund the women, what is shocking to me was what people said on tiktok, and almost all of them are from my country since they are using dialect signals and some had their flag up there.

Why the hell will you transaction the bitcoin without using mixer they said, I mean the whole comment section was full with this same blame that mixers is the way to scam and escape without getting caught.

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

Mixers basically protect privacy, because people use this mixer to keep their transactions secret. However, if someone uses it for scam purposes, it is natural to be punished.
Because using a mixer in the current position is not bad, but this mixer should not be called bad just because some bad people will use it.

[Peanutswar]

Scammers always have a way to scam other people, and based on the story, he made a direct transaction with Bitcoin. Do you have a reference of that topic? I have a question in my mind that did he post that he is using that bitcoin address? The reason why he gets detected immediately is that he's the one who stole these funds. If you have that mindset of wanted to play safe for sure most is to recommend to transfer the bitcoin into other wallet, use an exchange and etc just to make it clean but he didn't reason why he got caught up but its not on the platform anymore they are just offering the services and its up to the user how they will handle their funds. Good thing that still managed to get back the funds to the victim well only few better than nothing.

[Marvelockg]

Some will say why is this post necessary, it's for those who thinks that mixers are only for people who want privacy in their lives, but this just prove to me that criminals are possibly using mixers more than those who just want to stay private.

Firstly, anyone that's suggesting a better means that a scammer can carry out is actually without being caught is a criminal in the making and there's no two ways about it. It's just like saying that instead of accepting kidnap random through fiat that will lead to the easy arrest of the victim that such a person should make use of bitcoin as a better method of stealing from people. Anyone with such mentality is no different from the one that's carrying out such act.

What I have to say about this is simple. Theft is theft and should be 💯 discouraged. The main aim of mixer is not so you steal from Pepe and use It to hide from getting caught. You're a scammer and wether now or later, you will eventually get caught.