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January 06, 2012, 09:26:19 PM
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That's exactly what I was getting at. That's why it's nothing like Astronomy, which is the scientific collection of data about the universe.  Astrology is just an interpretation of that data, based largely on the church.  That's the reason for my mentioning religion earlier, they are very much alike. Of course that basically makes this into an internet religious debate which is one of the worst things ever to do.
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If astrology is a tightrope walk between religion and scientific astronomy, then we already have a first definition. First of all: insofar as it views cosmos, humans, and nature as being reigned over and guided by powers and forces from beyond, astrology is religion. All the events in the cosmos and on earth are linked together by an invisible magic bond. Only on the basis of this mysterious magical connection can astrology assume that the stars have something to do with the course of our lives, with our talents and weaknesses.

In this regard, astrology is related to the nature religions. These also assume that nature is inhabited and governed by magical powers, demons, and gods. Like the nature religions, astrology believes in a multitude of gods; it is polytheistic at its core. Each planet and sign of the zodiac is the expression of a particular god or demon. But astrology is also sometimes accepted by religions which know only one creator-god, like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Then the many star-gods become angels and demons which are subordinated to the one God and, as such, understood as "instruments" of God.



I think what you said is irrelevant.  It's a matter of what level of interpretation of information, not a matter of interpretation vs. no interpretation.  The mere fact that you recognize something as "data" and identify isolated data points as x, y, or z (e.g. by giving them names and/or definitions, categorizing them, etc.) implies that you are already interpreting it as stratified.  Recognizing form in the Universe is just at a different level of interpreting information.

And when did I say Astrology is like Astronomy?  I disagree with your definition of Astronomy, by the way.

Edit:  An analogy is an example of another level of interpretation.

Edit 2:  I'm also wondering how you rationalized talking about religion in on online forum is the worst thing ever.  Keep in mind you are suggesting that astrology, which is related to the thread subject, is also related to religion.

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January 06, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
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Yes, the end is nigh. The movie is true, and the world as you know it will come to an end in December 2012.

Things you can do now to make the transition:

- Encourage your MPs, Senators and Representatives to put money into Research and the Sciences. We need spaceships and arks urgently.
- Join a religious organisation (if you're not already, if you are, be sure to attend weekly) to prepare your soul for the challenges ahead.
- Be kind to as many people as you can, for in troubling times, the effort you make now to improve the lives of others may save your life then.
- Get to know your community and neighbourhood, as they will go through the same challenges as you.
- Share your knowledge freely and to the world, so that others too may be better prepared. It will be lonely without fellow survivors.
- Remain Calm.

I have to note here, that these recommendations are valid regardless of the accuracy of the predictive power of a single, pre-iron age society.

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January 06, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
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Anyway, here's what NASA has to say about 2012

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

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"There apparently is a great deal of interest in celestial bodies, and their locations and trajectories at the end of the calendar year 2012. Now, I for one love a good book or movie as much as the next guy. But the stuff flying around through cyberspace, TV and the movies is not based on science. There is even a fake NASA news release out there..."
- Don Yeomans, NASA senior research scientist


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Edit 2:  I'm also wondering how you rationalized talking about religion in on online forum is the worst thing ever.
Cause my horoscope said so  Wink

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January 06, 2012, 10:36:55 PM
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Anyway, here's what NASA has to say about 2012

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

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That was actually really informative.  I had never heard of the planet Nibiru tale but it proposed May 2003.

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January 06, 2012, 11:14:34 PM
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That was actually really informative.  I had never heard of the planet Nibiru tale but it proposed May 2003.

There's also the Nemesis theory (never confirmed, just a theory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28hypothetical_star%29

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Nemesis is a hypothetical hard-to-detect red dwarf star,[1] white dwarf star[2][dubious – discuss] or brown dwarf,[3] originally postulated in 1984 to be orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 95,000 AU (1.5 light-years),[3] somewhat beyond the Oort cloud, to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur more often at intervals of 26 million years.[4][3] As of 2011, over 1300 brown dwarfs have been identified and none of them are inside the Solar System.[5]

There's also Sedna, which is a real confirmed (dwarf) planet with an unusually large eccentric orbit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90377_Sedna

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Barring comets and a handful of small Solar System bodies,[f] Sedna has the longest orbital period of any known object in the Solar System, calculated at around 11,400 years.



Crazy shit out there. 

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January 09, 2012, 02:06:19 AM
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That was actually really informative.  I had never heard of the planet Nibiru tale but it proposed May 2003.

There's also the Nemesis theory (never confirmed, just a theory)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28hypothetical_star%29

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Nemesis is a hypothetical hard-to-detect red dwarf star,[1] white dwarf star[2][dubious – discuss] or brown dwarf,[3] originally postulated in 1984 to be orbiting the Sun at a distance of about 95,000 AU (1.5 light-years),[3] somewhat beyond the Oort cloud, to explain a perceived cycle of mass extinctions in the geological record, which seem to occur more often at intervals of 26 million years.[4][3] As of 2011, over 1300 brown dwarfs have been identified and none of them are inside the Solar System.[5]

There's also Sedna, which is a real confirmed (dwarf) planet with an unusually large eccentric orbit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90377_Sedna

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Barring comets and a handful of small Solar System bodies,[f] Sedna has the longest orbital period of any known object in the Solar System, calculated at around 11,400 years.



Crazy shit out there. 


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January 09, 2012, 02:16:01 AM
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Those are the orbits of the outermost planets like Jupiter, Saturn, etc for scale. 

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January 09, 2012, 03:29:54 AM
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I don't think nothing will happen.

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January 09, 2012, 07:29:29 AM
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I don't think nothing will happen.

That's a double negative, which means you think something will happen?

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January 09, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
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I don't think nothing will happen.

That's a double negative, which means you think something will happen?


Of course something will happen.  Something happens everyday.  Most just isn't dramatic or newsworthy.

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January 09, 2012, 07:23:42 PM
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I don't think nothing will happen.

That's a double negative, which means you think something will happen?


Of course something will happen.  Something happens everyday.  Most just isn't dramatic or newsworthy.

Well said !

This 2012 disaster thing is too blown out of proportion. I remember in May 2011 some idiots also claiming the world is going to end or on 11/11/11 etc.

Most likely nothing will happen even if we don't get that asteroid deflector going Smiley
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January 09, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
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we can always just send kevin up to the 'roid to save us ^_^

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January 09, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
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we can always just send kevin up to the 'roid to save us ^_^

What do you mean ?

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January 10, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
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January 10, 2012, 10:37:30 PM
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Have watched the movie "2012" months ago. We're almost there. Could this really happen?
Why not setup a betting pool? Smiley

I'll bet everything I own that it doesn't happen.
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January 11, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
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Just to be clear. The Mayan calendar in no way predicts the end of the world. It is simply the end of the calendar round, something like the new millennium on the calendar we use today.
Even if it did, so what would that mean? Do any of you believe in quetziquatle, the snake-bird? Then why entertain other nonsense?



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