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Latest New Spammer for BFL Trust System Fraud

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Despite the testimony of Bourne and other witnesses, Judge Kays
expressed clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a company
taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary years of supervision for
Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that include regular government
access to his "person, his property, house, residence, office, vehicle, papers, computer, other
electronic communication or data, storage devices or media, and effects."
He said Vleisides must work with Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies.
Any loan, especially $64,000 or whatever it is, is something she needs to know
about before it's made, no matter [what]."

The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not
enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you,
if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close.
I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted
your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part,
you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your
toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated,
you understand that?
So I would work very hard to make these consumers
happy consumers who you've dealt with.

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One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based
Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder,
Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a
job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL.
Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)
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Digging for answers: The “strong smell” of fraud from one Bitcoin miner maker

A Butterfly Labs exec loses a probation hearing, but details from the case are worse.

by Cyrus Farivar - Apr 22 2014, 11:00am


For many crypto-minded libertarians, Bitcoin is the future of money. But that dream
hasn't been helped much by the numerous high-profile legal cases involving the currency
in recent years: The Bitcoin Savings and Trust hedge fund collapsed; uncertainty fueled
the implosion of Mt. Gox, the currency's largest exchange; and the high-profile Silk Road
takedown is a treacherous story combining Bitcoin, drugs, and alleged murders.

For now, though, one company sits above all others when it comes to cultivating a new
level of direct customer mistrust in the Bitcoin community: Butterfly Labs.

For the past year, the Kansas-based Bitcoin miner maker has been embroiled in numerous
accusations of fraud. Customer orders, totaling millions of dollars, were significantly delayed
or never fulfilled. Through it all, the company insisted that mere manufacturing delays were
to blame. However, suspicion never died down. In fact, it's getting worse after it came to
light that Butterfly Labs' largest shareholder—a man who is a company co-founder, current
"Innovation Officer," and member of the board of directors—pled guilty in 2010 to one count
of mail fraud (PDF) for his involvement in an international, multi-million dollar lottery scam.

For months now, Butterfly Labs has faced anger regarding delayed orders.

Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this same executive. A federal
judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of
his probation in the lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated to
end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years. This ruling is Butterfly Labs'
least concern. In light of new details from the recently published transcript of that January
2014 probation hearing, the legitimacy of the Butterfly Labs operation could soon be decided
once and for all.

“I’m on a good track now”

According to the United States Postal Inspection Service, victims collectively lost more than
$25 million during the lottery scam Vleisides participated in. The government accused his father,
James Ray Houston (who has since passed away in prison), of being the mastermind behind the
entire scheme. As the USPIS wrote in January 2011:

According to the indictment, the victims were purchasing “positions” in tickets for lotteries
that would be grouped together or “pooled” to buy larger blocks of tickets, thereby increasing
their chances of winning. Funds received from victims were not used to purchase tickets, but
to pay “winnings” to other victims, to fund the scheme, and to benefit the defendants.
Victims were sent checks falsely represented as lottery “winnings;" however, the amount of the
alleged “winnings” was far less than the amount the victim had sent in.

Vleisides and three others were also implicated in the scam, and he took a plea deal.
In a post on Bitcoin Forum in September 2012, Vleisides described the experience this way:

After two and a half years preparing, we neared trial. The prosecutor calls for a meeting and
offers me a deal. I can go home if I accept a single count of mail fraud and skip the trial.
They would drop 23 charges and leave me with a simple postal violation (lesser count of mail fraud).
I thought about it and it didn't take long for me to agree to get the shackles off.
I signed and went home to my mother's house in Kansas City. I sat there looking at the wall for a
long time. I didn't feel like leaving the house much. It was difficult to get over the emotional loss.
My life was ruined. Mom got me an account on match.com and encouraged me to date. I met a
wonderful girl and we had a little boy. We named him Indy. My life continued and I started to look
for a new project to begin again. A fresh start. I'm on a good track now, trying to put the past
behind me.

When Vleisides moved to Missouri, his case was transferred to that federal district for judicial supervision
of his probation, which included this “special condition”:

The defendant shall not engage, as whole or partial owner, employee or otherwise,
in any business involving loan programs, gambling or gaming activities, telemarketing
activities, investment programs, or any other business involving the solicitation of funds
or cold-calls to customers without the express approval of the Probation Officer prior to
engagement in such employment. Further, the defendant shall provide the Probation Officer
with access to any and all business records, client lists, and other records pertaining to
the operation of any business owned, in whole or in part, by the defendant, as directed
by the Probation Officer.

Vleisides recovered from his mental slump and soon helped start Butterfly Labs.
According to a 2012 court document, Vleisides’ lawyers say that BFL “began on napkins,
scraps of paper, and spare parts on his kitchen table," adding that "the hours that Mr.
Vleisides has put in to develop the product have been long and arduous. There have
been times when he arrived before the sun came up and left after it went down."
While Vleisides was "remorseful about what has occurred," he was looking toward a
better future, they added. "The justice system could not ask for more from a person
that has been punished."

Revenue and a growing rap sheet

But on September 3, 2013, Vleisides’ probation officer, Courtney Pierce, filed a
violation report with the Missouri federal judge handling his case (just over two months
after Ars published our first articles about Butterfly Labs and its mining machines).
In her memo to the judge, Pierce wrote that Vleisides was now an employee of and
the dominant shareholder in BFL, a company which "advertises all of its technology
for purchase through pre-order... Vleisides did not seek the express approval of the
probation officer prior to engaging in a business that involves the solicitation of funds
through pre-orders."

She continued:

The Probation Office has been notified by the US Postal Inspection Service that hundreds
of complaints have been filed against BFL from individuals who have placed pre-orders for
hardware from BFL.

The seriousness of Vleisides' instant offense [the lottery scam], coupled with his
current involvement in a somewhat similar business enterprise are cause for concern.
Before Vleisides' violation, BFL was already facing accusations of fraud and mismanagement.
In December 2013, a German-Polish man who lives in China filed a lawsuit over a $62,000
order that was never fulfilled; he accused BFL of breach of contract, fraud, and negligent
representation. And Butterfly Labs lost a civil case by default in Kansas’ Johnson County
Court in late November 2013. The plaintiff, a Californian named William Lolli, won a judgment
of more than $13,000 but told Ars that he has not yet collected the award.

The company's troubles may only worsen from here. A new lawsuit filed in early
April 2014 (read the 21-page complaint) accuses BFL of engaging in “deceptive
and unconscionable business practices.” The suit, which seeks class-action status,
was filed earlier this month in Kansas. It accuses BFL of collecting payment for
“non-existent Bitcoin mining equipment, failing to ship Bitcoin mining equipment orders
for which consumers have pre-paid, misrepresenting the date such equipment is to
ship to customers, and profiting from Bitcoin mining for Defendant’s own benefit using
customers’ equipment without permission or authorization from customers.”

BFL, its corporate attorney, Vleisides, and Vleisides' criminal attorney all failed to
respond to Ars’ repeated requests for comment. But it's clear that despite all the legal
wrangling, the company is doing well. According to testimony from BFL’s de facto chief
financial officer, the company expected to earn $25-$30 million in revenue in 2013.

Buying a pool and an Audi

Vleisides appealed before US District Court Judge David Kays on December 17, 2013 to
answer Pierce's probation claims. There, government prosecutors submitted a
seven-page document from Vleisides’ lawyers detailing the structure of BFL and Vleisides'
relationship to it.

One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based
Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder,
Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a
job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL.
Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)

The revelations get murkier from there. For the first time, the public learned that Butterfly
Labs runs its own Bitcoin mining pool for “testing” purposes—and the company uses this
test pool to make money. “[BFL] earns mining income from their burn testing of machines
as well as service fees charged to Eclipse customers,” documents state. This revelation
represents some of the worst fears held by skeptics of BFL—that the company is using its
own hardware to profit privately before sending miners to people who actually paid for them.

Also coming to light during testimony was the depth of BFL customer frustration.
In court, probation officer Pierce talked about how she uncovered thousands of
complaints filed against BFL at the Federal Trade Commission and PayPal.
She said that Chad Williams, a PayPal global asset protection officer,
told her that as of September 2013, PayPal froze BFL’s account containing
$11 million and that PayPal received 6,000 complaints in total. Notably,
200 more complaints were filed between mid-November and mid-December 2013,
and, on the day of court testimony alone, three more complaints were filed.

“Butterfly Labs is permanently barred from accepting PayPal as payment for
their products," Pierce added. (PayPal spokesperson Anuj Nayar declined to
comment specifically on Butterfly Labs, but he did say that the company is
"no longer processing payments through PayPal.")

“PayPal is not the only place we have received complaints from,” Pierce told the
court. “There is [the Federal Trade Commission] Consumer Sentinel, a law
enforcement website where people can get online and submit complaints
about different companies. As of October 18 of this year, there had been
173 complaints submitted online to Consumer Sentinel, with a total of over
$600,000 complained to being losses from Butterfly Labs.”

Pierce testified that Vleisides’ 2012 tax returns show his ownership interest in
a Bahamas corporation called Future Engineering that was incorporated
November 2, 2012. According to BFL's tax returns, the company lost more
than $800,000 in 2012, Pierce said—and yet the letter from Vleisides’ lawyers
notes that the company loaned $150,000 to CEO/CTO Nasser Ghosieri, $26,000
to VP Jeff Ownby, and $65,000 to Vleisides himself. Those loans all came in
below market rates and all were “based on expected future profitability.”

CEO Ghosieri, an Iranian who lives in France, previously told Ars he never met
Vleisides and has never been to visit the BFL operation in Kansas. (Although,
this photo from Ghosieri's Facebook page dated April 2014 appears to show
him with Vleisides in person at BFL's headquarters, although it could have been
altered.)

Furthermore, Pierce noted that "Vleisides' finances have been in question for
the past several months," particularly because his residence "was recently
purchased by BFL for approximately $400,000 in cash." BFL even bought him
an "expensive vehicle" (an Audi) that Vleisides uses.

"I'm pulling for you"

During the hearings, Vleisides' lawyers made the case that these were all
normal business operations. The Bahamas corporation, they said, was
created by a law firm which represented Butterfly Labs previously, but it
was now a “dormant corporation.” And de facto Butterfly Labs CFO
Bruce Bourne, who resides in San Francisco but commutes to Kansas City
two weeks each month, took the stand to explain Vleisides’ house and car situation.

“The car itself, you know, my understanding is that this is not the first car
that the company has owned and that the original car that the company
owned when customers came from out of town to visit the facilities, the
company loaned them the vehicle to use instead of them having to rent a car,”
he testified. “Other executives who traveled from Chicago—
I come from San Francisco—had access to using that car. Other people
who are employed by the company come to town from out of town are
able to stay at the corporate residence.”

The bigger issue centers around BFL's core operations and all those delays
after taking people's pre-order money. Bourne described the company's
current operations and past financial performance, saying that BFL had a
peak of 110 employees, but it's smaller now.

“At current time, because we’ve manufactured and shipped all the products
in the backlog and we are not yet producing the next version of the product,
we have downsized, laid off staff who were assembling parts and components
that are not necessary right now,” he said. “So at this point the company is
about 60 people. But our expectation is when we do begin to construct the
next iteration of these products, [we] will increase staff to manage that production.”

"You need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because
fraud will not be tolerated."

As for revenue, in 2012 BFL earned $2.5 million. “For 2013 we have not
finalized the financial statements, but I expect that the revenue for 2013
is going to be between $25 and $30 million,” he said, adding that BFL's
liabilities are “north of $10 million.”

Bourne also provided more details about resolving the PayPal situation
by shipping long-delayed products to customers.

“By [September 2013] there were 23,000 PayPal orders, of which about
2,000 had been shipped. About $1.5 million out of $19 million total,”
he said. “That’s mid-September. Every week after that I updated that
report so that we could show them progress against reducing the backlog
and lowering PayPal’s exposure, although there were $5 million more in
orders than there was in money held. So it took a while to get down to
where that backlog was—even with the amount they were holding.
We reached that point in about mid-November.”

Ars contacted Bourne, who declined to be interviewed in person or by
phone as he was "in a different time zone and working some long hours."
At Bourne's suggestion, Ars submitted questions via e-mail, but has not
yet received a reply.

Despite the testimony of Bourne and other witnesses, Judge Kays expressed
clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a
company taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary
years of supervision for Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that
include regular government access to his "person, his property, house, residence,
office, vehicle, papers, computer, other electronic communication or data,
storage devices or media, and effects." He said Vleisides must work with
Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies. Any loan, especially $64,000
or whatever it is, is something she needs to know about before it's made, no matter [what]."

The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell.
It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with
you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's
too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying,
and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud
word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse,
you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not
be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these
consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

The wheels of justice

On the heels of Vleisides' probation, BFL now moves immediately to the new lawsuit.
Kyle Alexander, and Dylan Symington et al. v. BF Labs (PDF) describes two
attempted purchases made by the named plaintiffs. Alexander claims that he paid
$308 to BFL in June 2013 for a low-end mining machine. However, despite repeated
inquiries to BFL, Alexander was simply told “shipping had begun”—yet his box didn't arrive.

In March 2014, Alexander again asked about his order and was simply informed that
it was changed to a “Mining by the GH” (gigahash) product, an as-yet-unreleased
product from BFL.

“Plaintiff Kyle Alexander never changed or modified his order and never gave
Defendant permission to use the equipment he ordered to mine bitcoins for itself or
for anyone else,” says his complaint. “To date, Plaintiff Kyle Alexander has not
received any mining equipment from Defendant. Since Plaintiff Kyle Alexander
pre-paid for his order of mining equipment from Defendant in June of 2013, numerous
bitcoins have been mined by others, and the difficulty of mining new bitcoins
has substantially increased over such time.”

The other named defendant, Dylan Symington, paid $1,333.00 to BFL in April 2013
but did not receive his order for seven months.

Both men allege that BFL engaged in deception under the Kansas Consumer
Protection Act, received unjust enrichment, and made negligent misrepresentation.
BFL has yet to formally respond to the new charges.

Jody Drake, BFL's general manager and one of the three members of BFL's board of
directors (Vleisides and Ghoseiri being the other two), told Ars that the company
"shipped 45,000 units last year." Despite many lawsuits alleging the opposite,
she said that "everyone received their orders after much delay."

When asked how BFL got involved with Vleisides to begin with, Drake simply said:
"I know his family," before ending the call. In her September 19, 2013 affidavit as
part of Vleisides' court filings, Drake said that she worked for his stepmother for their
commercial photo-finishing business and has known the family for 25 years.

Despite the "strong smell" coming from the Vleisides' probation hearing, it's still
not exactly clear whether BFL is an out-and-out scam. Butterfly Labs' refusal
to answer basic questions—such as how a man convicted of mail fraud came
to do business with another man in France that he's never met—does not
engender confidence. But as more complaints pile up, some are now turning into
lawsuits. And in light of a federal judge specifically calling out a co-founder's
questionable actions, the evidence is mounting. The questions of fraud surrounding
BFL may get answered sooner rather than later.

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PhilWray NEW SPAMMER!

Remember people you might want to report any instance of fraud from BFL and Sonny V. directly to his probation officer or the judge that presided over his probation hearing.


U.S. Probation Officer Courtney N. Pierce
Probation and Pretrial Services Office
Charles Evan Whittaker Courthouse
400 East 9th Street
Kansas City, MO
64106

David Gregory Kays, Chief District Judge

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The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

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Here is an example of Pokokohua! defaming my character. I will be reposting his lies here and countering them in an effort to rehabilitate my reputation.


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2014-03-30   0.00000000      Pathological liar. Cheats forum members repeatedly with false information over BFL, their employees and their products -all successful- while his business fails, has absolutely no technical knowledge, qualifies non working usb hubs as bfl product failures. Falsely rates people who are producing hardware and are an asset to the bitcoin community negative, and ridicules any forum member that confronts him on his lies. Too bad a lot of these types hang around on this forum, no orders but crying scam over legit companies, while they are never seen in the real scam topics.

Where have I exhibited lying pathologically?  No evidence.
Where have I cheated forum members with posting false information about BFL? No evidence.
Where has my "business" failed? No evidence.
Where is there any evidence I have no technical knowledge? No evidence.
Where have I claimed non-working USB hub as a BFL failure? No evidence.
Where have I falsely rated anyone producing hardware? No evidence.
Where have I ridiculed anyone? No evidence
Where have I lied? No evidence.

He is obviously not looking at the forum very carefully. I have complained about other fabricators not just BFL. Not factual.

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2014-03-31   0.00000000      Too dumb to understand that spreading lies about other people will backfire some day, thanks to people like Bicknell this forum lost credibility as a whole.

What lies have I spread?

Credibility was lost the minute Pokokohua! started abusing the trust system.

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2014-04-01   0.00000000      Does not understand contest rules, Pavlov effect makes him post without thinking, completely wrong or just a bit stupid?. Hint "registration date, on what site?" Blinded by hate?

All one has to understand is that BFL is buying trust and it backfired. The only person that seems to be attacking the person with hateful speech is  Pokokohua! You might want to look up the experiment of Pavlov and come up with a better metaphor it is clear what I am doing is a defense mechanism not a trained response. It is more akin to the fight response. When Inaba threatens to have me fired then slanders me in attempt to scare me off you are going to get exactly this response from me. I won't be backing down from the threats from you or your other accounts BFL. You have pushed the wrong person. I won't be taking you to court I will just be sure that in any instance I can report the failures of your company as documented by others.

Sonny V. 2 more years probation.
BFL 15 months developing the 28nm chip.
Failures to pay off bets.
Failures in delivering product.
Using inferior quality PSU's that have nearly burned houses down.

There is plenty more documented about BFL and when your company finally folds or your owners are sentenced to jail I will be glad to watch that in person as they lead them out of the courthouse. See you soon.

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The creativity here is lacking. Seems like the same person keeps making the same negative trust ratings and is finally running out of witty little barbs. Feel free to check the list of people abusing the trust system and give them what they deserve. Or if you want to help bury BFL at court report your story to Wood Law here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners


Here is BFL's list of legal arguments. Let us see what everyone thinks:


And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use:

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Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.

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Join the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT Follow the Reference Link.


The Wood Law Firm LLC announced today that customers from across the country have joined together and filed a class-action lawsuit challenging the sales and advertising practices of Butterfly Labs. The lawsuit against BF Labs, Inc., which does business as Butterfly Labs seeks compensation for customers who pre-paid Butterfly Labs for Bitcoin mining equipment and who did not receive the equipment they paid for, or received the equipment far after Butterfly Labs represented the equipment would ship.

Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by "mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger. By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires purpose-built computer chips to be cost effective.

The complaint, filed in the United State District Court for the District of Kansas located in Kansas City, seeks to recover the pre-payments made to Butterfly Labs and the losses customers sustained due to Butterfly Labs' conduct. The lawsuit alleges Butterfly Labs required customers to pre-pay for orders of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, and used portions of customer pre-payments to make loans to shareholders and purchase a house and automobile for a shareholder. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases over time, by the time some consumers finally received their equipment, the equipment had become worthless because mining with the equipment was no longer cost effective.

"Bitcoin is an exciting and promising new technology. Unfortunately this also makes it an attractive area for people running scams and frauds," stated attorney Noah Wood one of the lawyers for the customers. "Stopping the bad actors and staying vigilant against consumer fraud is absolutely necessary for the successful development of the Bitcoin ecosystem."

According to the complaint, Butterfly Labs may have collected over $25 million in customer pre-payments. The lawsuit also alleges Butterfly Labs, despite telling customers that Butterfly Labs did not mine bitcoins itself, used equipment customers had already paid for to earn mining income for itself under the guise of "testing" such hardware. The complaint states this "testing" served "to enrich Defendant at the detriment of its customers by both denying the customers' use and benefit of the equipment they have already paid for, as well as increasing the overall mining difficulty required to generate future bitcoins."

The case is Alexander et al. v. BF Labs, Inc., Case Number 2:14-CV-02159 (D. Kansas). The customers are represented by Noah Wood and Ari Rodopoulos. A copy of the lawsuit and further information is available from the Wood Law Firm, LLC at www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners.

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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/in-18-months-feds-got-nearly-300-complaints-about-bitcoin-miner-maker/


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The FTC complaints come from locales as diverse as Estonia, Argentina, Redding
(California), and Winnipeg (Canada). They all tell a similar story, describing orders made
that were either never fulfilled or refund requests that were denied or not processed.
Ars has made the full spreadsheet—complete with redactions made by the FTC—available
here. An example of one complaint, from a customer in Orlando, is below:

I placed two orders for advanced computers on Feb 2nd 2013 for over $60,000 worth of computers. These
computers are designed to generate revenue online. I was lead [sic] to believe April or May would be the
shipping dates. However they never shipped my products and I requested a refund. I was given a partial
refund as I agreed to wait an additional month. I received half my money back, however as of October I
still did not have my products shipped and the company was refusing to refund me the remaining $30,000
they still owe me. Despite my [constant] requests for a refund and to cancel my order in its entirety they
eventually shipped me a computer that was not what I originally ordered and worse yet it was broken on
arrival and poorly constructed. I returned their broken computer and once more requested a refund. They
still have not refunded me, they are ignoring me and I am unsure I can follow through with litigation as they
are in [Kansas] and I am in Florida.

In total, there are 283 complaints. These begin in September 2012 and end in early
April 2014, collectively detailing orders worth around $1 million.

Ars has made the full spreadsheet—complete with redactions made by the FTC.

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http://www.kmbc.com/news/Kansas-man-buys-Johnson-County-home-with-Bitcoins/26083128

Josh buys a home for 1000 BTC... wait doesn't Josh have bets he needs to pay off? Customers to refund? Class action lawsuits to defend?

If you want to leave a COMMENT at the bottom under the video... feel free let everyone know what you think of Josh buying a 500K home with BTC.

Update:

1 Less spammer.

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Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)

I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

We have now reached that threshold Theymos.

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Serjster NEWEST SPAMMER!

Where did your BTC and FIAT go?

Josh and Sonny both have homes thanks to your "donations" to help a homeless BFL executive fund otherwise known as pre-orders for BFL products.

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We are investigating the marketing and advertising practices of the company
BF Labs, Inc., which does business under the name "Butterfly Labs". We have received
reports that Butterfly Labs, based in Leawood, Kansas, has accepted orders and full
pre-payments from consumers for Bitcoin mining hardware, yet failed to deliver the
specialized equipment as promised.

Bitcoin

Butterfly Labs manufacturers and sells Bitcoin mining hardware. Bitcoin is a
peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by
"mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted
bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger.
By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires
ASIC-based hardware to be cost effective.

Consumers who ordered and paid for Butterfly Labs equipment, yet failed to
receive it by promised dates, are not just out the amount of money paid to
Butterfly Labs. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases
over time, by the time consumers receive the equipment, if at all, often the
equipment has become worthless because mining with the equipment has
become economically unviable.

If you have paid for Buttery Labs equipment, yet failed to receive your
order or failed to receive it by the promised time, please contact our office
using the form below.

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mkslim NEWEST SPAMMER!

What still not Monarch's in the wild? What gives? Countdown clock broken Joshie or are you too busy moving into the McMansion you bought?


How Late is the Monarch?

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It seems like all of u care about banning BFL people who tried to leave -ve trust on your account. But I have a clear instance of trust abuse here => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565488.0. But, interestingly none of u care to leave -ve trust on  zackclark70 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=121108) or kicking him out of the trust system. It seems the the motive of all of you so called trusted members are getting clear to me. You only want those who are trusted by u, irrespective of scammer or spammer, they should be loyal to u.

The trust that I have given people is accurate what annoys me is the people that spam my account with negative trust that is not true

one example of that is the ritzgrandcasino I gave the negative feedback as they are paying people to spam the forum

( that is my opinion of sig campaigns that pay per post and don't vet there users ) 


in return the ritzgrandcasino have given me a whole bunch of negative feedbacks saying that I am a scammer and that is completely untrue !

and to top it all off they keep threatening to take legal action against me for the feedback I gave them if I don't remove the negative feedback

 



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Wrong thread zackclark70.

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Wrong thread zackclark70.

that post is quoted from this thread

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Wrong thread zackclark70.

that post is quoted from this thread

Still wrong thread.

Talking about the BFL aholes still posting negative trust and positive trust as spam ads for their products.

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I seen seniors members have abused the feedback system just putting feedback without no proof, there is member the first day I came gave me a negative just for asking for a 0.001 load which is garbage compared to scammers ask.  since that time I had asked the member to please remove feedback and apologized and still to this day not resolved.  Wish they can foucous on feedback abuse, or feedback should be for selling or ops who have casinos.

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If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'

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If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'

Spam that promotes a company in the trust? Think you have take a closer look at this abuse. Spam of the trust according to Theymos is not allowed. So I guess I will defer to that, unfortunately, the work required to actually police it is the problem.

Darin Bicknell aka King Fud? Still waiting on this, seems you just weasel out, as always?:

 "because you ignored it, who are those paid shills, names, numbers paid out, come on, man up, let's hear it." 

Come on clown, it's not a day out with the schoolkids calling it "a productive day, we went swimming and had a pick-nick," be a man and prove what you said. Or is this the normal way to go about in life, lying and faking your way through it?
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